What Truck Parking Changes Have You Seen With New HOS?

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Back to the original topic, Diane and I have been driving in western states this week. As a general practice, we frequent truck stops as little as possible. In our fuel and shower stops this week, everything seemed normal compared to the way it was before the new HOS rules went into effect on July 1. There were no unusual lines at fuel islands and no parking issues Monday - Thursday. We are heading east today. It will be interesting to see how things are at the truck stops this weekend.

In our case, the new 34 hour restart rules will change our parking and driving behavior. Before, we would have worked in a 34 hour restart, gone into the weekend run with fresh log books and had a relaxing drive to Monday's delivery. The new rules prevented that, so now we will pick up the load this afternoon, keep the truck rolling non-stop for about 24 hours (driving and sleeping in shifts as teams do) and then park at a truck stop for two nights to get in a 34 hour reset before the Monday delivery.

It is important to get the restart in. Without it, we would go into next week without restarted log books and potentially without enough hours to accept some of the sweet, lucrative, long runs that sometimes come our way.

We who normally avoid truck stops will occupy a truck stop parking place for the entire restart period because the new rules are a mobility killer compared to the old. When forced to stop in the same spot long enough (two nights) to restart two drivers' log books, you want to be near the services the truck stops offer, since you no longer have the freedom for one team driver to restart on a sequence different than the other team driver.

Gone is the ability for one team driver to drive the truck while the other works on his or her restart, unless your schedule falls into place in a way that gives you three nights to work with. Our schedule is not that way this time so into a truck stop parking place we will go.
 
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bubblehead

Veteran Expediter
1. This shows why it will take some time to see the full impact of the new HOS rules. Drivers are learning new behaviors and trying new techniques, and sharing them with others as they discover what works and does not.

2. I did not know that the Qualcomm MCP200 could track a truck with that level of precision. Is that new? When we had one in our truck while with our former carrier, I noticed no such capability; but we only had the thing for a little while and I did not explore it in depth.

FEDEXCC has allowed access to owners via the Qualcomm sight which maps your truck back for a certain time (don't remember...think about 90 days) in addition to location, it shows your speed. You can set the mapping to show from several minute intervals to continuous. Switch to satalite and there I am/was...backed into dock #2 (as a marker point on the map, not my actual truck).
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
FEDEXCC has allowed access to owners via the Qualcomm sight which maps your truck back for a certain time (don't remember...think about 90 days) in addition to location, it shows your speed. You can set the mapping to show from several minute intervals to continuous. Switch to satalite and there I am/was...backed into dock #2 (as a marker point on the map, not my actual truck).

Next comes cameras in the back so they can verify load securement in real time and then cameras in the cab to the person actually driving the truck can be verified too as well as the presence or absence of a fatigued look on the driver's face.
 

scottm4211

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Next comes cameras in the back so they can verify load securement in real time and then cameras in the cab to the person actually driving the truck can be verified too as well as the presence or absence of a fatigued look on the driver's face.

Location mapping via the Qualcomm has been available for years through the fleetvision website that many carriers use. Owners have access to it.
 

flattop40

Expert Expediter
one more reason to drive a sprinter van
we have some great deal's on new sprinters

This is the very reason I am looking into going straight. lol I learned along time ago in the stock market. When others are selling, it's time to buy. When others are buying, it's time to sell. I fear the new HOS will push even more into the CV's and Sprinters. So by the end of the year, if all goes well, we will be going big or going home.
 

Turtle

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Staff member
Retired Expediter
2. I did not know that the Qualcomm MCP200 could track a truck with that level of precision. Is that new? When we had one in our truck while with our former carrier, I noticed no such capability; but we only had the thing for a little while and I did not explore it in depth.
Satellite positioning alone usually doesn't allow for the precision achieved with the newer system. The old QC was satellite-only, and allowed for anywhere from 3 to 15 meter precision. The MCP2000 uses a combination of WiFi hotspot and cell phone tower data (Hybrid Location Technology) to locate you within 1-3 meters, usually closer to the 1.

Most of the MCP2000s deployed don't even have the satellite tracking module turned on and active (which, frankly, is a little troublesome when you're in the middle of Nowehere, NM or someplace else where there is zero WiFi or cell phone signal for communication use).
 
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layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Satellite positioning alone usually doesn't allow for the precision achieved with the newer system. The old QC was satellite-only, and allowed for anywhere from 3 to 15 meter precision. The MCP2000 uses a combination of WiFi hotspot and cell phone tower data (Hybrid Location Technology) to locate you within 1-3 meters, usually closer to the 1.

Most of the MCP2000s deployed don't even have the satellite tracking module turned on and active (which, frankly, is a little troublesome when you're in the middle of Nowehere, NM or someplace else where there is zero WiFi or cell phone signal for communication use).

Why do I find that 1-2 meter number strange? Just because it is more the norm to not know where my truck is by as much as 60 MILES? :confused: We have had more problems with location since we got the MP-2000 than I would have ever imagined. We have had the screen/keyboard replaced 3 times, once due to a screen break, the wiring coming in from the dome replaced and the dome replaced. No change. Still junk.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Saturday morning, in the 12:01 to 04:00 range, the Pilot and Love's at Van Horn, TX, and the Flying J at Pecos, TX were all filled to overflowing (numerous trucks double and triple parked); similar to what we saw last week at the TA in Rockwall, TX.

I'm trying to be objective in my observations and accurate in my memory of parking before the July 1 HOS rules change. The objective observation part is easy. The trucks were there to see. The memory part is less easy since I had no reason to carefully note truck parking facts before the rules change. That said, I do not recall a weekend night ever where truck stops anywhere filled to overflowing before July 1, 2013.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
We were on a load not long ago when the MRB time came upon us. We were on the NY Throughway so places to stop are limited. SO, we came upon a service plaza and pulled in. It was mid day. There were NO truck parking spaces open. I pulled in next to another truck that was parked in a "non spot". There were several trucks parked in "non spots". I talked to 3 other drivers who had stopped for their MRB and, finding no real truck parking, invented it. I don't know how many more of the trucks that had improvised trucks were doing MRB's.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
On our way to a truck stop to start our 34 hour restart, we stopped at a DQ for a snack before putting ourselves into restart prison for the weekend. While we were there, a big rig pulled in to the small lot and the driver told us he was there to do his 30 minute break. He purchased nothing from the store.

He was a chatty fellow and immediately began talking about the new rules. He said that a few days ago, he sat in Minneapolis for two days to do his 34 hour restart, only to learn when it was over that he was ineligible because his previous restart had begun less than seven days before. That's on him. He should have known the rules better.

It's an example of drivers figuring out, one way or another, what the new rules are and adjusting their behavior to them. One thing this big-rig driver figured out is to pull into an easy-on, easy-off retail lot and take up space there while doing his 30 minute break.

We arrived at the truck stop about 9:15 this Saturday night. It was not filled to overflowing but we got one of the last two or three spots. Before the new rules, there would be plenty of open truck parking places on a Saturday night. If the observed developments hold, I expect this truck stop to fill to overflowing in a few hours.
 

jjoerger

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Owner/Operator
US Army
Flying J in Sioux Falls, SD has been full since 7 p.m. Also noticed drivers lingering in the fuel aisles.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Flying J in Sioux Falls, SD has been full since 7 p.m. Also noticed drivers lingering in the fuel aisles.

yup that will probably be the case most weekends there's a new Walmart distribution center couple of miles down the road now..... Three sets of windmill blades pretty much feels that lot
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
On our way to a truck stop to start our 34 hour restart, we stopped at a DQ for a snack before putting ourselves into restart prison for the weekend. While we were there, a big rig pulled in to the small lot and the driver told us he was there to do his 30 minute break. He purchased nothing from the store.

He was a chatty fellow and immediately began talking about the new rules. He said that a few days ago, he sat in Minneapolis for two days to do his 34 hour restart, only to learn when it was over that he was ineligible because his previous restart had begun less than seven days before. That's on him. He should have known the rules better.

It's an example of drivers figuring out, one way or another, what the new rules are and adjusting their behavior to them. One thing this big-rig driver figured out is to pull into an easy-on, easy-off retail lot and take up space there while doing his 30 minute break.

We arrived at the truck stop about 9:15 this Saturday night. It was not filled to overflowing but we got one of the last two or three spots. Before the new rules, there would be plenty of open truck parking places on a Saturday night. If the observed developments hold, I expect this truck stop to fill to overflowing in a few hours.


Bet the owner of that DQ just LOVES trucks taking up lot space and not buying anything. That should make relations between stores/towns and truckers far better than they were before. When I am forced to find a place to park like that I would at least go in and my a cone or something
 

OntarioVanMan

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Owner/Operator
LOL I see 2 distinctly different drivers old school vs new school. One just shrugs and deals with it the other will whine this topic to death!
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
LOL I see 2 distinctly different drivers old school vs new school. One just shrugs and deals with it the other will whine this topic to death!

You forgot the 3rd type of driver, those who don't have to deal with it at all and still weigh in on it! LOL!! GOTCHA! :p (pretty quick this morning, ain't I? See what two cups does for you?)
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Bet the owner of that DQ just LOVES trucks taking up lot space and not buying anything. That should make relations between stores/towns and truckers far better than they were before. When I am forced to find a place to park like that I would at least go in and my a cone or something

That driver was not forced to park at that particular spot. He just chose to do so because it was easy. This is something to watch as we continue to gauge the truck-parking impacts of the new HOS rules. Merchants who have easy-of, easy-on locations near freeways have always had to deal with trucks. That challenge may increase now that the rules force at least some drivers to take a 30 minute break they do not want or need and would not otherwise take.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I do fuel around the back and I have to deal with those loiters..
Yeah you were quick off the draw lol
And more seem to be checking their oil and cleaning the windows!!
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
I do fuel around the back and I have to deal with those loiters..
Yeah you were quick off the draw lol
And more seem to be checking their oil and cleaning the windows!!

Can't check oil, clean windows etc, that has to be logged as on duty. You have to sit and do NOTHING, for 30 minutes.
 
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