What Truck Parking Changes Have You Seen With New HOS?

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
This week is the first I've worked since the changes and so far I'm seeing nothing different. What I've read here suggests that things are like they've always been as well. There have always been jammed up truckstops here and there, nothing new. Even when you least expect it, when it would normally be dead at the fuel island, you can pull in and have to wait.

Hang on, let me take a quick look...

Yep, the sky's still up there.
 

BigCat

Expert Expediter
Great, drivers screwing othe drivers at the fuel island taking their 30 min break, what a bunch of A-holes.

If they are tryin to prove a point, then it's lost on me, since the only people their ****ing off are their fellow drivers.

I needed one too so didn't screw me. Most guys that pulled in behind the line weren't fueling anyway.
 

BigCat

Expert Expediter
I would say this cause for this could be, authorized fuel stop late enough in the day to need the break. Rather than doing a break that could turn in to an hour long just wait and do it while your already needing to get off for fuel. That was why I did it. I loaded at 4:15pm and took my 30 at 10:00pm last night after fueling.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
just taking an advantage of a situation...pretty much....common sense would almost dictate to log the break right at that point if it would serve the purpose....

If I was in a traffic jam that stopped traffic for more than 30 minutes, I would not log a 30 minute break because doing so would be a false entry. Though stopped, I am still at the controls and operating the truck. I should not have said "most if not all drivers" above. There will be some who log legally. I was in stopped traffic on a freeway a couple weeks ago. Several drivers who were also in that traffic announced on the CB that they would be loging it as their 30 minute break.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
If I was in a traffic jam that stopped traffic for more than 30 minutes, I would not log a 30 minute break because doing so would be a false entry. Though stopped, I am still at the controls and operating the truck. I should not have said "most if not all drivers" above. There will be some who log legally. I was in stopped traffic on a freeway a couple weeks ago. Several drivers who were also in that traffic announced on the CB that they would be loging it as their 30 minute break.

I guess it would depend on the jam itself. I have sat, engine off, in traffic, for more that 4 hours. Even went back an took a nap. I was not operating anything except my "Z" machine.

Part of the problem is just the overall burden of the over regulation. The more regulations pushing on us the more people will try to cheat them. That will even be more so when the regulations make not kind of valid safety sense. Like our new HOS regs.
 

Slo-Ride

Veteran Expediter
If I was in a traffic jam that stopped traffic for more than 30 minutes, I would not log a 30 minute break because doing so would be a false entry. Though stopped, I am still at the controls and operating the truck. I should not have said "most if not all drivers" above. There will be some who log legally. I was in stopped traffic on a freeway a couple weeks ago. Several drivers who were also in that traffic announced on the CB that they would be loging it as their 30 minute break.

I dont run Elogs and have no idea how you folks change duty status under different conditions. I completly understand the statement about false entrys so here is my Q's.
Once your stopped, brakes are set,nothing is moving in front or behind you. You lossened up your belt buckle and settle in to wait it out,,You go into a not driving status correct? What stops you from going up to line 1 for that time periord? At this point you are legally parked correct? Does the software on the QC change the duty status for you or do you do it manually?
I would think going into line 1 at this point would be the thing to do wheter it borders on legal or being legally illegally. The tracking device will show you stopped and thats all they will look for I would imagine.
 

BigCat

Expert Expediter
I dont run Elogs and have no idea how you folks change duty status under different conditions. I completly understand the statement about false entrys so here is my Q's.
Once your stopped, brakes are set,nothing is moving in front or behind you. You lossened up your belt buckle and settle in to wait it out,,You go into a not driving status correct? What stops you from going up to line 1 for that time periord? At this point you are legally parked correct? Does the software on the QC change the duty status for you or do you do it manually?
I would think going into line 1 at this point would be the thing to do wheter it borders on legal or being legally illegally. The tracking device will show you stopped and thats all they will look for I would imagine.

If I'm not moving for a period I would be inclined to go in the sleeper to watch tv til accident clears. Not changing to sleeper with me in the sleeper is a false entry. If I'm outside talking to other drivers while emergency responders are clearing accident I go off duty. If I don't that is a false entry.
 

Slo-Ride

Veteran Expediter
If I'm not moving for a period I would be inclined to go in the sleeper to watch tv til accident clears. Not changing to sleeper with me in the sleeper is a false entry. If I'm outside talking to other drivers while emergency responders are clearing accident I go off duty. If I don't that is a false entry.

Understand your logic. But by going off duty you're free to do as you please at this point you're not obligated to be in sleeper at this time. And would line 1 not allow you to kill two birds with one stone?
 

BigCat

Expert Expediter
Understand your logic. But by going off duty you're free to do as you please at this point you're not obligated to be in sleeper at this time. And would line 1 not allow you to kill two birds with one stone?

I was just saying how I do things. If I'm watching tv I go in sleeper but if I'm out of the truck arm wrestling behind a wreck on the interstate I am off duty.
 

Slo-Ride

Veteran Expediter
Also you can do your 30 minute break on line 1 or 2.

I was thinking everything I read on the rules said must be Off duty for 30min..Very possible I miss understood it.
The way I log.. log the trip, get the sleeper out of the way,,Then a change of duty status to off duty.
At that point its noones bizness what I do or when I do it.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I dont run Elogs and have no idea how you folks change duty status under different conditions. I completly understand the statement about false entrys so here is my Q's.
Once your stopped, brakes are set,nothing is moving in front or behind you. You lossened up your belt buckle and settle in to wait it out,,You go into a not driving status correct? What stops you from going up to line 1 for that time periord? At this point you are legally parked correct? Does the software on the QC change the duty status for you or do you do it manually?
I would think going into line 1 at this point would be the thing to do wheter it borders on legal or being legally illegally. The tracking device will show you stopped and thats all they will look for I would imagine.

We're on paper logs yet but no matter. Either way, if stopped in a traffic jam, like when the freeway is closed for an hour or more and nothing moves, I will log myself as driving because that's what I am doing, or as on-duty because that is what I am.

Yes, the brakes may be set. Yes, the truck may be motionless for an hour or more. Yes, the engine may even be turned off. But the reality is, I am in the driver's seat waiting for the traffic to start moving again and I have no idea when that may be. I am not off duty. I am not in the sleeper. I am at the controls, operating the vehicle. It's not about what the truck is doing, it's about what you are doing.

The EOBR we once had in our truck would automatically switch your duty status to on duty when the truck is stopped, and it would do so in a traffic jam. The driver has the ability to change that duty to status to sleeper or off duty, but the issue is the same. The truth is, the driver is in the seat, on duty or driving.

As a team driver, it would be easy to adapt to stalled traffic like this. The clock continues to tick but as it does, it ticks toward the next driver's shift.

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On a related topic, this stalled traffic scenario raises a question to which I do not know the answer.

There is in the HOS rules an "Adverse Driving Conditions" exception that drivers may use. I have never used it and am unfamiliar, but from what I hear, drivers use it when a traffic jam costs them time and they end up running out of hours because of it. I trust drivers who have used it can explain it better.

My question is, can the "Adverse Driving Conditions" exception be used concerning the 30 minute break or the beginning hour of a 34 hour restart?

Say that I am required to take a 30 minute break but it becomes impossible to do so because the truck is frozen in traffic. Can the Adverse Driving Conditions exception be applied such that I do not do a break at all but instead end my shift and turn the truck over to my co-driver when her normal start time comes?

Say that due to frozen traffic, I end up later parking the truck at 1:15 a.m., missing the 1 a.m. to 5 a.m. window by just 15 minutes. Can I use the Adverse Driving Conditions exception to do a 1:15 a.m. to 5:15 a.m. period for restart purposes?

Just a bit more on this to round out the example:

I have been driving for six hours and plan to take a 30 minute break at the next rest area up the road. But a serious accident occurs up the road and the troopers close the freeway, stranding the truck in traffic while the wreck is cleared and investigation is completed.

An hour goes by, then two, then thirty minutes more. At that point, I have been driving or on duty for eight hours and 30 munutes and the required break has not been taken. It has not been taken because adverse driving conditions made it impossible to do so.

In such a case, can the Adverse Driving Conditions exception be applied? Did the rule makers allow for this when they mandated the 30 minute break?

As I read the rules, the Adverse Driving Conditions exception does not seem to apply to the 30 minute break and 34-hour restart. I may be wrong about this. As I said, I am unfamiliar with this HOS exception.

But if my reading of the rules is not incorrect, the truck-frozen-in-traffic scenario leaves the driver with two choices; (a) log it as you drive it and risk being fined up to $2,750 (driver) and up to $11,000 (carrier) for the violation if a scale cop discovers it in your next inspection; or (b) commit a felony and falsify one's log book to show that a 30 minute break was taken.

If there is a third option, I'd love to know what it is. The first two are not appealing at all.

EDIT: Thinking about this a bit more, the lesser evil might be to work your way onto the shoulder and park the truck and take your 30 minute break. That puts you at risk for a parking violation (unless you are with Landstar, in which case you would be fired instantly under their sitting duck policy -- no parking on shoulders or ramps). A parking violation is not a felony and is not penalized with fines of up to $2,750 (driver) and $11,000 (carrier).
 
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moose

Veteran Expediter
the Adverse driving conditions exemptions :Scope of rules in this part. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration apply to the part of the HOS role as specify in 395.3(a) or 395.5(a).
the NEW HOS requirement are a part of 395.3(a).
it's appear as the Adverse driving conditions will extend ALL HOS requirement.
However, the exemption ONLY allow to proceed into an end of a run, or to a safe parking place. nowhere dose it say it will reduce the REST TIME minimum requirements, once the driver reach his destinations.
hope it helps, but 'a Terry' determinations might be needed here.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
If my truck were stuck in a parking lot on the highway, and it was a reasonable time to take a 30 minute break, I'd move to the sleeper berth and if 30 minutes passed without movement, I call that legal.
 

noneya

Active Expediter
I'm glad that I just got offered a local driving gig so I don't have to worry about this mess. Only one chicken coop and no logs for me:D

SENT FROM YA MAMA'S HOUSE
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
If my truck were stuck in a parking lot on the highway, and it was a reasonable time to take a 30 minute break, I'd move to the sleeper berth and if 30 minutes passed without movement, I call that legal.

That's a better solution than any I mentioned above. If traffic started moving again, you could move quickly enough back into driving. But this assumes that the traffic stays totally stopped for 30 minutes at least. You can't creep ahead with the flow if you are in the sleeper.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Creeping along is the worst! But it does keep my personal nightmare scenario from happening, where I fall asleep waiting for everyone to move, and no one wakes me up when they do. :eek:
 

bubblehead

Veteran Expediter
Atlanta on the morning of July 12th nb and again that same afternoon proved interesting with a significant back up (accident related both cases) resulting in numerous trucks crossing over to the shoulder to "break it out." I would usually see one or two trucks pulled over on the 285 as a routine, but this time the number exceeded a dozen with cb chatter supporting their reason for pulling over to either "grab" a 30 minute or because they were nearing their time for the mandatory break. On the shoulder, I would assume they met the "relieved of duty" clause where as if they remained on the travel lane, even if not creeping, they would be required to maintain vigilance in order to not further impede traffic if it started moving along.... I have noticed that the tracking feature of the MCP200 can show exactly which lane you are in and if parked at a dock or rest stop for example, it has showed with precision exactly where I was parked.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Atlanta on the morning of July 12th nb and again that same afternoon proved interesting with a significant back up (accident related both cases) resulting in numerous trucks crossing over to the shoulder to "break it out." I would usually see one or two trucks pulled over on the 285 as a routine, but this time the number exceeded a dozen with cb chatter supporting their reason for pulling over to either "grab" a 30 minute or because they were nearing their time for the mandatory break. On the shoulder, I would assume they met the "relieved of duty" clause where as if they remained on the travel lane, even if not creeping, they would be required to maintain vigilance in order to not further impede traffic if it started moving along.... I have noticed that the tracking feature of the MCP200 can show exactly which lane you are in and if parked at a dock or rest stop for example, it has showed with precision exactly where I was parked.

1. This shows why it will take some time to see the full impact of the new HOS rules. Drivers are learning new behaviors and trying new techniques, and sharing them with others as they discover what works and does not.

2. I did not know that the Qualcomm MCP200 could track a truck with that level of precision. Is that new? When we had one in our truck while with our former carrier, I noticed no such capability; but we only had the thing for a little while and I did not explore it in depth.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Creeping along is the worst! But it does keep my personal nightmare scenario from happening, where I fall asleep waiting for everyone to move, and no one wakes me up when they do. :eek:

I've seen that happen a couple of times. After a long traffic jam, cars and trucks started moving again but one truck stays put in its lane, not moving an inch while the lane opens ahead. Presumably that is because the driver fell asleep while sitting there or even went back into the sleeper to snooze. Other drivers are their for their fellow trucker. Horn blasts are given to wake that sleeping beauty.
 
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