EnglishLady
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"A woman who is raped at a vulnerable time in her menstrual cycle is as likely to conceive and retain a pregnancy as a woman who was voluntarily attempting pregnancy," said ACOG's Levy"
US row over Congressman Todd Akin's rape remark
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"A woman who is raped at a vulnerable time in her menstrual cycle is as likely to conceive and retain a pregnancy as a woman who was voluntarily attempting pregnancy," said ACOG's Levy"
bobwg
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So the other 95% just happen to be on the wrong time of the month? on the pill? but no way that the body helped prevent the preg??? and your quote says likely does not say the body in some way could have stopped the preg
EnglishLady
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"While U.S. Rep. Todd Akin cited only "doctors" as his source of information about the rarity of pregnancy resulting from rape, it is two pages, from Mecklenburg's 1972 article, "The Indications for Induced Abortion: A Physician's Perspective," that have influenced two generations of anti-abortion-rights activists hoping to build a medical case to ban all abortions without exception"
"Leading experts on reproductive health, however, dismissed this logic.
"There are no words for this — it is just nuts," said Dr. Michael Greene, a professor of obstetrics, gynecology and reproductive biology at Harvard Medical School.
Dr. David Grimes, a clinical professor in obstetrics and gynecology at the University of North Carolina, said that "to suggest that there's some biological reason why women couldn't get pregnant during a rape is absurd."
As for the contention that a rape victim's fallopian tubes tighten, Grimes said, "That's nonsense. Everything is working. The tube is very small anyway and sperm are very tiny — they're excellent swimmers."
Where Akin got the idea that rape victims rarely get pregnant | Seattle Times Newspaper
Women only ovulate for one day, while sperm remains viable for up to 72 hours. SO it's basically 1 to 2 days a month (about a day and a half, really) when a women can get pregnant. 1.5 days, divided by a 28-day cycle, yields 5%. So on any given day the chances of a woman conceiving as a result of rape is about 5%. That means that on any given day, the other 95% won't.
Correct.
Absence anything other than pure theory, which is what we have, the answer would be no. The notion that the body will shut down ovulation due to some trauma is the unsubstantiated theory of one man (unsubstantiated means no verifiable or reviewable empirical evidence to back it up), and then taken as gospel by the anti-abortionists simply because it fits their beliefs and agenda. Like one doctor noted, "It's absurd".
EnglishLady
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Ok..you are against abortion...how many of these UNWANTED babys are you adopting???..all i know is I remember NOTHING from being in my mothers womb... I WOULD remember being born unwanted... abused...so...unless you are throwing open your front doors for all these unwanted children....what are we to do...People are going to have unplanned pregnancy..just a fact......so how many you taking in??.. so if we cant have abortion there sure going to be ALOT of babys needing a roofs over there heads....fed......clothed.....loved......abortion is NOT nice...I agree... but if there is a question of abortion to begin with...most likely the baby cant be afforded and loved properly anyway....so you better start adopting!!
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One thing to remember about rape: it is possibly the most underreported crime [next to theft of illegal drugs, of course], so how can anyone cite facts with any accuracy?
Women have learned that reporting a rape that isn't likely to result in the attacker's arrest and conviction, for whatever reason, is an exercise in futility with humiliation, shame, and not a few nightmares thrown in.
A woman who didn't report the rape when it happened isn't likely to report it a few months later, when she discovers she's pregnant - and she's almost certain to want to abort. Forcing her to continue a pregnancy is even more barbaric than abortion, as her life is an indisputable fact.
Forcing any woman to continue an unwanted pregnancy to term is as wrong as the belief that rape causes the body to prevent conception, but some people still want to control decisions they have no right to make.
Women have learned that reporting a rape that isn't likely to result in the attacker's arrest and conviction, for whatever reason, is an exercise in futility with humiliation, shame, and not a few nightmares thrown in.
A woman who didn't report the rape when it happened isn't likely to report it a few months later, when she discovers she's pregnant - and she's almost certain to want to abort. Forcing her to continue a pregnancy is even more barbaric than abortion, as her life is an indisputable fact.
Forcing any woman to continue an unwanted pregnancy to term is as wrong as the belief that rape causes the body to prevent conception, but some people still want to control decisions they have no right to make.
AMonger
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Let's rip you limb from limb and see if you're considered a victim. Anguish is horrible, but there is no right to murder to spare yourself anguish.
AMonger
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It's not a belief; it's a known fact--that pregnancy caused by rape is rare, and that the trauma is believed to play a role in this.
AMonger
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That's an opinion, and a wrong one, considering there's a baby involved.
You have no idea, and can never have any idea, of what you are talking about![/QUOTE]
I'm far more knowledgeable on the subject than most. I studied it to debate those I'm favor of prenatal infantacide.
AMonger
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She will likely think of the rape every day for months regardless. As horrible as it is, prenatal infantacide will not un-rape her, and brings bloodguilt on both her and society.
AMonger
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I'm thinking of the other victim, the one you're disregarding. If the baby could testify (and maybe on Judgment Day, he or she will) about the abortion from his or her perspective, how the scalpel shredded them, the pain he or she felt, and how he or she DID die. Try thinking about what that victim went through. Being raped, as awful as it is, beats bring dismembered alive, or burned to death with saline.
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AMonger
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**** you, sir, **** you.
AMonger
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Hmmmm...sounds kind of like the debate that went on in this country regarding the personhood of blacks and Indians. Curious you regard this, then, as forcing morals and beliefs on others. It was the Church that insisted they had souls and were persons. Do you object that the Church succeeded in that, our do you object that the Church influenced society into all that "Don't murder," "Don't steal" morality?
AMonger
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No, you want to kill, the onus is on YOU to prove that the homicide is justifiable.
AMonger
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A ridiculous statement.
That's as accurate as saying nobody would appreciate a kidney or liver. Just as with transplants, there are tens of thousands, if not more, heterosexual couples begging to adopt a healthy baby. They take out ads in national newspapers even. There are enough that the babies, who don't deserve to be dismembered alive, can all be adopted and there will still be couples waiting for a baby.
Ridiculous argument destroyed.
AMonger
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A woman is fertile for 3-5 days a month. The ovum is present and fertile for more than 1.5 days during the cycle.
AMonger
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And other studies and experts say otherwise. aamof, it's believed that women who in polygamous cultures or situations subconsciously retain or expel semen based on the suitability of the suitor.
Regardless, it's not really relevant. Abortion is murder in all circumstances, and murder is wrong.
EnglishLady
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My opinion is my opinion and therefore not wrong just as your opinion is yours.
You keep saying I am forgetting the pregnancy, when I keep saying it is the womans decision.
Have you ever been pregnant?
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