US row over Congressman Todd Akin's rape remark

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xiggi

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So the life of the baby means nothing just some trash to throw out

So the sanity of a victim means nothing just disregard her well being. To be reminded every single day of your rape is no big deal.

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bobwg

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I never said we should disregard the womans sanity or well being or that the rape is no big deal. Lets see so all scientists agree that life does not begin at conception??
 

OntarioVanMan

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So the sanity of a victim means nothing just disregard her well being. To be reminded every single day of your rape is no big deal.

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Apparently not to some....just punish the victim even more....
 

OntarioVanMan

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I never said we should disregard the womans sanity or well being or that the rape is no big deal. Lets see so all scientists agree that life does not begin at conception??

..is it life or should i say human yet at early stages? take away 2 chromizones and it could be a rat....no brain, no heart, nothing but a few cells....completely dependent on the host to develop...
 
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bobwg

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thats the ticket...punish the victim again by forcing her to carry an wanted baby.....punish her physically and financially for the next 9 months.....

You brought up money I am pretty sure there are groups that would help her pay for her medical care just like there groups to help pay for the babys murder . There could be ways to ease the pain mentally with counseling and Charitable groups to help with medical bills and then find a home for the baby.
 

layoutshooter

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..is it life or should i say human yet at early stages? take away 2 chromizones and it could be a rat....no brain, no heart, nothing but a few cells....completely dependent on the host to develop...

PROVE, beyond ANY shadow of a doubt that it is NOT human live. I am not saying what we should do in the case of rape, but NO ONE can PROVE whether it is human LIFE or not.

Many will TRY, cite this or that, religious or science, no PROOF. Can't live outside the womb on it's own? Neither can most children till they get to 4 or 5 years old. ALL 1 minute to 1 year old WILL DIE if left alone. Slippery slopes.
 

AMonger

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thats the ticket...punish the victim again by forcing her to carry an wanted baby.....punish her physically and financially for the next 9 months.....

I'm sorry for her trouble, but I didn't invent the human processes of reproduction. Find Whoever/whatever you think did and take it up with Him/Her/it. The rape victim's comfort or finances do not negate the baby's right to life.
 

AMonger

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And you can't just go and redefine terms to make them fit your beliefs and wants, whether it's the redefining of "human being", or "infant" or "marriage" or "homophobia". The terms are what they are, like it or not.
Thank you for making my point for me: euphemizing prenatal infantacide--murder--by calling it terminating a pregnancy or eliminating a non-viable tissue mass doesn't change the fact that it's murder.
 
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EnglishLady

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I'm sorry for her trouble, but I didn't invent the human processes of reproduction. Find Whoever/whatever you think did and take it up with Him/Her/it. The rape victim's comfort or finances do not negate the baby's right to life.


You're sorry for her trouble!! for her TROUBLE !!

You should try reading some of the VICTIMS testimonies ...... how they were so scared that they were going to die, how they had a knife pressed against their throat or a gun against their head, the helplessness, the sounds, the smells, the whole traumatic experience.

Just try thinking about what the victim is going through for once, but leave all your prejudices at the door first.
 

bobwg

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You're sorry for her trouble!! for her TROUBLE !!

You should try reading some of the VICTIMS testimonies ...... how they were so scared that they were going to die, how they had a knife pressed against their throat or a gun against their head, the helplessness, the sounds, the smells, the whole traumatic experience.

Just try thinking about what the victim is going through for once, but leave all your prejudices at the door first.

Prejudices???? what Prejudices????
 

OntarioVanMan

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PROVE, beyond ANY shadow of a doubt that it is NOT human live. I am not saying what we should do in the case of rape, but NO ONE can PROVE whether it is human LIFE or not.

Many will TRY, cite this or that, religious or science, no PROOF. Can't live outside the womb on it's own? Neither can most children till they get to 4 or 5 years old. ALL 1 minute to 1 year old WILL DIE if left alone. Slippery slopes.

It has no brain, no organs up till the 4th, 5th week....it is just a life form, like a fish, dog or bird...
 

layoutshooter

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Again, not saying one way or the other on what to do in the case of rape, who has heard the testimony of people who have survived abortions? I have. I cannot even imagine how they must feel KNOWING that their 'mother' tried to kill them.
 

bobwg

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It has no brain, no organs up till the 4th, 5th week....it is just a life form, like a fish, dog or bird...
Wait a life form? like a fish ,dog , bird really you just said a life form so it is a life and then it is murder to kill the baby
 

layoutshooter

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It has no brain, no organs up till the 4th, 5th week....it is just a life form, like a fish, dog or bird...

It has 100% of it's DNA at conception. Heart beat at 18 days. At EVERY point it is a human something, be it zygot or fetus. I t will never be a fish, dog, bird or rat.

Again, not saying what to do in the case of rape.
 

OntarioVanMan

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In your opinion. Is there a human "soul'? If so, when does the developing human receive it? PROOF either way please.

no you prove it has a soul....the bible ain't proof either...neither of us can prove it...soul is the religion angle....no legal or constitutional protection for a soul....just a human being...
 

layoutshooter

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no you prove it has a soul....the bible ain't proof either...neither of us can prove it...soul is the religion angle....no legal or constitutional protection for a soul....just a human being...

I was just asking. I did not say I could or could not prove it. I kinda think I would prefer to error on the side of life. One cannot believe in God without believing that there is more to the human being than it's body.

AGAIN, NOT saying what to do in the case of rape. I am saying it is NOT as simple, on either side of the argument as some wish to make it.
 
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