US row over Congressman Todd Akin's rape remark

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asjssl

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And by law, a black man in this country 200 years ago was--BY LAW--considered property (redundancy intentional for emphasis). Civil law is what 51% of a group of @$$clowns say it is, if another @$$clown writes his name on the bottom

Debate is fun. But don't take it as license to be absurd.

Science and religious teaching agree to the degree they are understood.

Science is real....religion is fake....

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Turtle

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...different than they are currently defined, yes. But as they are currently defined IS the re-definition, just like Congress re-defines adult weapon to suit its agenda, just like Congress in the past redefined human and human rights, etc.
You're making a very strong case for the term "homophibia".

Actually the terms "human being", "baby", and "born" are terms that have been defined exactly as they currently are for a really long time, far longer than Congress has existed. Nothing has been redefined. But there are people trying to redefine them so as to fit their own religious morals. The history of abortion is one you should look into, as well as when the religious folks got involved in trying to force their views on the matter.
 

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We are talking about abortion in the case of rape. If abortion is first degree murder then i guess forcing a rape victim to give birth would be brutality.

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The analogy doesn't hold, but to the degree it's true, then it's another brutality committed by the rapist, not to be taken out on the baby because he or she had a rapist for a father. There are places/times that was done, but I'm pretty sure we've advanced beyond that now.
 

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Religion is quite real. The difference is, science requires doubt and scrutiny, while religion refuses to tolerate any such nonsense.

Religion is full of nonsense....

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AMonger

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Religion is quite real. The difference is, science requires doubt and scrutiny, while religion refuses to tolerate any such nonsense.

Not all. Many Christians say, "Yes, ask, raise questions, Question Authority, as the bumper sticker says. Ask, "How can we know this is true?"
When you address those questions, your faith is stronger, not weaker.
 

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In medievel times the rapist would be the devil and his spawn a devil baby and the mother put to death before it could be born....so no "some" have not progressed that much....still wanting to punish the mother and "force" her thru child birth....but it all comes down to opinion, doesn't it?...One we never agree upon.....I am right and you are wrong....MY opinion...
 

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Not all. Many Christians say, "Yes, ask, raise questions, Question Authority, as the bumper sticker says. Ask, "How can we know this is true?"
When you address those questions, your faith is stronger, not weaker.
Not really. Those questions are always addressed within the context of the religion itself. The answer to the "How can we know this is true?" is always a faith-based answer. The answers may make your faith stronger, but in the end it's still nothing more than faith, a belief in something with no proof whatsoever. A volcano erupts, and the response is, "The volcano gods are angry." It's a faith-based conclusion, based on assumptions of faith that are not to be questioned. And of they are questioned, the answers themselves are based in faith. Christianity is no different.
 

AMonger

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Yes please explain it to me and the others that filed a complaint?.....

Once upon a time, in the 70s, there was a comedy television show called Saturday Night Live. Yes, like the Saturday Night Live of today, only funny. Like today's, but they actually put funny jokes in it. And that funny Saturday Night Live had a Weekend Update segment like they do today, but again, back then it was funny.
On that incarnation of SNL, Dan Akroyd and Jane Curtin, two of the performers like they have today, only funny, used to do a satire on an actual debate duo from some news show I never used to watch. The debates became quite vitriolic (those that complained about my "ignorant :censoredsign:" comment can look that word up), as do ours at times, yet, in the end, the two debaters would always thank each other.
So on the SNL segment in question, the topic was public funding of abortion. They went back and forth, insulting each other as they went, Akroyd playing the conservative against abortion and the public funding thereof, and Curtin playing the loony, leftist type who thinks that not only should there be abortion, but lots of them, and the gummint should pay for them. Akroyd had the last line: "Jane, I'm against abortion, but if I'd have been around when your mother was carrying you, not only would I have performed the abortion, I'd have performed it myself."
Curtin then thanks Akroyd, and he thanks her in return., which made it all the funnier.
And I forgot to point out the ignorant :censoredsign: comment; that line was always the last insult from Akroyd, no matter what point they were arguing. I'm surprised anybody over 30 doesn't recognize the line, "Jane, you ignorant :censoredsign:." It was quite the catchphrase.
Oh, look, I found the actual bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3t-DuN8t6U&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 
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Turtle

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Once upon a time, in the 70s, there was a comedy television show called Saturday Night Live. Yes, like the Saturday Night Live of today, only funny....
FWIW, I didn't see a problem with the reference. I thought it was hilarious. And especially hilarious considering this topic. It's a way to inject humor into a serious topic in such a way as to specifically not offend someone.

But I can also see how those not familiar with it wouldn't understand it and therefore find it offensive.
 

AMonger

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In medievel times the rapist would be the devil and his spawn a devil baby and the mother put to death before it could be born....so no "some" have not progressed that much....still wanting to punish the mother and "force" her thru child birth....but it all comes down to opinion, doesn't it?...One we never agree upon.....I am right and you are wrong....MY opinion...

Aborting the baby is much closer to the medieval practice. As horrible as rape and the subsequent birth are, nobody is put to death, unlike your scenario.
 

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The analogy doesn't hold, but to the degree it's true, then it's another brutality committed by the rapist, not to be taken out on the baby because he or she had a rapist for a father. There are places/times that was done, but I'm pretty sure we've advanced beyond that now.

It holds very well but i understand your failure to admit it.

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AMonger

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Not really. Those questions are always addressed within the context of the religion itself. The answer to the "How can we know this is true?" is always a faith-based answer. The answers may make your faith stronger, but in the end it's still nothing more than faith, a belief in something with no proof whatsoever. A volcano erupts, and the response is, "The volcano gods are angry." It's a faith-based conclusion, based on assumptions of faith that are not to be questioned. And of they are questioned, the answers themselves are based in faith. Christianity is no different.

You're demonstrating that you know less about contemporary religion than you let on. I suggest you look into R.C. Sproul, one of (just one of) the scholarly theologians that addresses questions ontologically.
 

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