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ATeam

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Now the truth comes out, the "go peacefully" tweet didnt even come from Trump.
This report came first from ABC News. While interesting, it is yet another report that relies on "sources familiar." You are right, the truth comes out. If this report is true, the confirmed truth will likely come out at trial. There, the actual sources will be named or the actual evidence will be cited.

 
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ATeam

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The judge posed the wild hypothetical question. It wasn’t brought up by the Trump lawyer, like the headline implies. And the lawyer was referencing the procedures provided by the constitution. The constitution can be a pesky thing sometimes for some.
Trump and his legal team are making things up to make the constitution say anything they want it to say. While I have no doubt that Trump wants to be constitutionally immune from prosecution for any crimes he commits, that is not the way things work in America. He's already been told he is not immune by other courts in other cases. This appeals court will tell him the same in this case.
 
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ATeam

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However, the argument can be easily flipped to apply to Joe Biden;
The immunity benefits Trump is arguing in court he has would immediately accrue to Joe Biden if the court agrees with Trump's argument. That would free President Biden to commit any crimes he wishes against any political rivals he wishes. He would be immune from prosecution immune by virtue of the Trump's argument and court rulings. If the argument Trump is making in court prevails, Biden would be legally cleared to assassinate his political rivals and break as many laws as needed to convert his current role as an elected president to a dictator for life.

Why MAGA does not see this abhorrent danger to our constitutional form of government is a mystery to me.
 
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muttly

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Trump and his legal team are making things up to make the constitution say anything they want it to say. While I have no doubt that Trump wants to be constitutionally immune from prosecution for any crimes he commits, that is not the way things work in America. He's already been told he is not immune by other courts in other cases. This appeals court will tell him the same in this case.
That’s not what they’re arguing. There are constitutional prescribed remedies for this. Impeached for the offense, then prosecuted.
 
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ATeam

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That’s not what they’re arguing. There are constitutional proscribed remedies for this. Impeached for the offense, then prosecuted.
No, there are not constitutional remedies for this. Other courts in other cases have ruled against Trump when he there made the immunity arguments. They ruled against him precisely because there are NOT constitutional remedies for this. The appeals court will rule against Trump in this case too. And so will SCOTUS if Trump appeals there.

The arguments Trump is making about immunity are groundless and bizarre. The US Constitution does not remotely say what Trump and his attorneys are claiming it says.
 
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The immunity benefits Trump is arguing in court he has would immediately accrue to Joe Biden if the court agrees with Trump's argument. That would free President Biden to commit any crimes he wishes against any political rivals he wishes. He would be immune from prosecution immune by virtue of the Trump's argument and court rulings. If the argument Trump is making in court prevails, Biden would be legally cleared to assassinate his political rivals and break as many laws as needed to convert his current role as an elected president to a dictator for life.

Why MAGA does not see this abhorrent danger to our constitutional form of government is a mystery to me.
Do you believe Obama should be prosecuted for the ordered drone strike on a U.S. citizen?
 
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muttly

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The arguments Trump is making about immunity are groundless and bizarre. The US Constitution does not remotely say what Trump and his attorneys are claiming it says.
They’re arguing that a president ensuring that elections are secure fall within the outer perimeter of his official duties and has immunity for that.
 
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ATeam

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They’re arguing that a president ensuring that elections are secure fall within the outer perimeter of his official duties and has immunity for that.
Yes they are, and they are wrong. They already know they are wrong, but they're arguing the point to do what they can for their felony criminal defendant Trump. It will not be news to them that they are wrong when the court issues its ruling.

The real issue here is tactics. Trump wants to delay this trial until after the election. Arguing like this, even when they are wrong on the law, may be right on the tactics because this delays the trial. While there is little doubt Trump will lose his legal argument about immunity, we're waiting to see if the appeals court lifts the stay. If they do that, the trial in Chutkan's courtroom is back on and will be complete long before the election.
 
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ATeam

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There might be a few who might die for him....but he is right, they are all talk and no bite.
From the article. Bold emphasis mine. It seems every public office holder from the president to local elections officials are receiving threats these days. But how much follow-through have we seen? Very, very little. These threats or suggestion of violence are all bark and no bite.
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Comey, who was fired by Trump, writes that, while we should always be on the lookout for potential political and ideological violence, it's the FBI's job to worry about such things, and the "threat" of violence is much worse than the potential for the real thing.

"I know from professional — and, unfortunately, personal — experience that people mostly tend to threaten because they want to live rent-free in your head, impacting the way you live even if they never come near you," Comey writes.

"We must not let the idea of Trumpian violence become some kind of boogeyman, frightening us away from our commitment to the rule of law," he adds.

When it comes to a violent events like Jan. 6, Comey says it was ultimately a security failure, and the contingent of extremist groups like the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys "who operated with seditious intent" among the rioters were minimal. "In the overwhelming main, the offenders of Jan. 6 were morons who bought Trump’s lies. They must be held accountable — every last one of them — but they shouldn’t be the monster under our national bed," Comey writes.
 
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skyraider

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Did the Proud boys get a trial of their peers ? Hmmm, did not see one, but maybe Trump will get a fair trial someday,,,the whole nation is waiting for a screwded up judicial system to get it together...
 
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From the article. Bold emphasis mine. It seems every public office holder from the president to local elections officials are receiving threats these days. But how much follow-through have we seen? Very, very little. These threats or suggestion of violence are all bark and no bite.
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Comey, who was fired by Trump, writes that, while we should always be on the lookout for potential political and ideological violence, it's the FBI's job to worry about such things, and the "threat" of violence is much worse than the potential for the real thing.

"I know from professional — and, unfortunately, personal — experience that people mostly tend to threaten because they want to live rent-free in your head, impacting the way you live even if they never come near you," Comey writes.

"We must not let the idea of Trumpian violence become some kind of boogeyman, frightening us away from our commitment to the rule of law," he adds.

When it comes to a violent events like Jan. 6, Comey says it was ultimately a security failure, and the contingent of extremist groups like the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys "who operated with seditious intent" among the rioters were minimal. "In the overwhelming main, the offenders of Jan. 6 were morons who bought Trump’s lies. They must be held accountable — every last one of them — but they shouldn’t be the monster under our national bed," Comey writes.
Comey thought the pee pee tape might have been real.
 
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