The Trump Card...
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The right to a speedy trial is a defendant's right, not the prosecution's. "Felony criminal defendant" is a misnomer, because the defendant is innocent until proven guilty - so he's neither a felon nor a criminal. He also has the constitutional right to a vigorous defense, which doesn't have to accommodate the prosecutor's timetable. They could've started these cases two years earlier, but chose to have them coincide with the 2024 election year. Now the public is paying attention and recognizes this ploy for what it is: political persecution and election interference.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
No - she simply posed a hypothetical.
Given the party involved, there was nothing whatsoever wild about it - as evidenced by the answer she eventually got.
The headline implies nothing of the sort.
Learn to read and comprehend the English language.
Please.
Which were entirely irrelevant to the question at hand.
No doubt for some a whole lot more than others ...
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Surejan
No - she simply posed a hypothetical.
Given the party involved, there was nothing whatsoever wild about it - as evidenced by the answer she eventually got.
The headline implies nothing of the sort.
Learn to read and comprehend the English language.
Please.
Which were entirely irrelevant to the question at hand.
No doubt for some a whole lot more than others ...
Apparently the EO Lefty legal beagles don’t want to answer that final thought.
The right to a speed trial belongs to BOTH the defendant and the public.
The term "felony criminal defendant" to distinguish from a "misdemeanor criminal defendant" and a "civil defendant." In the case in Judge Engoron's courtroom, "felony criminal defendant" would not apply. "civil defendant" would be more accurate.
Trump's delaying tactics are part of the the reason Trump's trials did not start two years earlier.
Trump's NY Civil Fraud Trial Concludes
"[Judge] Engoron already ruled that Trump and his co-defendants were liable for persistent and repeated fraud before the trial began. The 11-week trial late last year was held to determine the scope of damages and six additional claims from the attorney general, including conspiracy, issuing false financial statements, falsifying business records, and insurance fraud." (Source)
Engoron's ruling is expected before month-end.
"[Judge] Engoron already ruled that Trump and his co-defendants were liable for persistent and repeated fraud before the trial began. The 11-week trial late last year was held to determine the scope of damages and six additional claims from the attorney general, including conspiracy, issuing false financial statements, falsifying business records, and insurance fraud." (Source)
Engoron's ruling is expected before month-end.
Sixth Amendment right apply only to the defendant in a criminal case. This includes the speedy trial, right to a public trial if he wants one, and the right to an impartial jury which he won't get in Washington DC.
Agreed
The government could have brought these charges years sooner and should have anticipated appeals and legal maneuvers by Trump. All these trial dates falling directly in the presidential cycle is not coincidence. The trial date chosen by Judge Chutkin two days before Super Tuesday is a prime example of blatant election interference. Fortunately, it doesn't look like that one is going to stick and Judge Cannon hasn't set a trial date in her case.
Some of these cases will get thrown out, some will drag on for years, but of the 91 charges against him Trump will probably be found guilty of something. He'll get the GOP nomination anyway because Republican voters believe the charges are illegitimate, politically motivated, and being pushed by a corrupted DOJ.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
I don't consider myself either a lefty or a legal beagle - just a middle-of-the-road lay person with an interest in the law.
But FWIW, it's always been my position that Obama should have been impeached over the drone killing of any US citizen who was not actively involved in actual armed hostilities against US forces or citizens.
The result of that policy has led us to the insane place where we find ourselves to today:
A lawyer for the disgraced former President arguing that he could assassinate a political rival and not be prosecuted for it unless he was first impeached.
A little look into the background of the lawyer making that argument will provide no relief whatsoever in terms of the composition of SCOTUS today.
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RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Only insofar as there no Constitutional guarantee to the defendant of a right to a slow trial.
As the old saying goes: Justice delayed is justice denied.
Distinctions which are entirely appropriate.
Correct ... to say nothing of amount of investigatory work involved in gathering all of the evidence in what may be one of the largest crimes of conspiracy and abuse of power the US has ever seen.
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RLENT
Veteran Expediter
No.
That isn't how it works in a case like this.
I'm sure that they did ...
Fat Little Donnie needs to take his share of the responsibility for when he chose to commit his crimes.
LOL ... no.
Don't bet on it.
Cannon is in the tank for Trump.
Hopefully she will disgrace herself further, to the point that she has no chance whatsoever of rising in the judiciary's ranks any further.
That's a fair bet.
I wouldn't bet the farm on that.
I'm not sure any of the four criminal indictments will be thrown out. The Caroll case was not thrown out. The NY fraud case was not thrown out. As I think about it, I don't know of any Trump case that has been thrown out in recent years. That's not for lack of Trump trying to get them thrown out. He has filed to have cases dismissed several times.
You are correct about "drag on for years." Even if Trump is convicted in any of the criminal cases, he will appeal and that process can be drug out for years. He will probably die before he is sentenced to jail and actually does time.
It appears that your position is just like the lawyer. First impeachment, then prosecution. How is it different?
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New revelations in the GA case have come to light regarding the nefarious activities of Fani Willis and her boyfriend, who she named chief prosecutor in the Trump case.
Filing: Fani Willis's Prosecutor Met with WH Lawyer Before Indicting Trump
Filing: Fani Willis's Prosecutor Met with WH Lawyer Before Indicting Trump
Maybe not - Willis and Wade have also been using GA taxpayer funds to bankroll their extravagant lifestyle. The governor of GA will surely have to investigate this illegal use of state money. There are also questions about the appointment of Wade to his position in the first place. He's a personal injury lawyer, one half of a two-man firm. These are likely criminal offenses.
- Nathan Wade, Willis’s lead prosecutor in the Trump case, had an “improper” relationship with Willis.
- Wade’s law firm used funds paid by the county to take Willis on luxury vacations by using potentially fraudulent payments.
- Wade was appointed without the required approval by authorities and had little to no prosecutorial experience.
- Wade met twice with President Joe Biden’s White House counsel before indicting Trump in August, raising questions about whether the White House coordinated prosecuting Biden’s 2024 political opponent.
Exclusive--MTG Expects Brian Kemp Will Criminally Probe Fani Willis
Greene seeks to dismiss the charges against Trump due to Willis's alleged improper relationship with her top prosecutor in the Trump case.
www.breitbart.com
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Willis was also collaborating with members of the J6 Committee to set up her case against Trump. This has the strong smell of political persecution by the Democrats in Washington and the GA prosecutor to go after their main political opponents.
"Committee staff quietly met with lawyers and agents working for Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis in mid-April 2022, just as she prepared to convene a special grand jury investigation. In the previously unreported meeting, the Jan. 6 committee aides let the district attorney’s team review — but not keep — a limited set of evidence they had gathered.
Over the next few months, committee staff also had a series of phone calls with Willis’ team. They answered the prosecutors’ questions and shared insight on matters like Trump’s false electors gambit and his efforts to pressure Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. Both of those ploys ultimately featured prominently in the criminal charges that Willis brought against Trump and his allies last summer...
But the nature of the cooperation between Willis and the Jan. 6 panel is unusual, according to Sol Wisenberg, a former prosecutor who worked on Ken Starr’s Clinton probe — another matter that overlapped with congressional investigations.
“To me, that’s a highly unusual level of specific cooperation,” Wisenberg said. “They’re using what’s supposed to be a congressional investigation in aid of a prosecution.”
www.politico.com
"Committee staff quietly met with lawyers and agents working for Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis in mid-April 2022, just as she prepared to convene a special grand jury investigation. In the previously unreported meeting, the Jan. 6 committee aides let the district attorney’s team review — but not keep — a limited set of evidence they had gathered.
Over the next few months, committee staff also had a series of phone calls with Willis’ team. They answered the prosecutors’ questions and shared insight on matters like Trump’s false electors gambit and his efforts to pressure Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. Both of those ploys ultimately featured prominently in the criminal charges that Willis brought against Trump and his allies last summer...
But the nature of the cooperation between Willis and the Jan. 6 panel is unusual, according to Sol Wisenberg, a former prosecutor who worked on Ken Starr’s Clinton probe — another matter that overlapped with congressional investigations.
“To me, that’s a highly unusual level of specific cooperation,” Wisenberg said. “They’re using what’s supposed to be a congressional investigation in aid of a prosecution.”
Jan. 6 committee helped guide early days of Georgia Trump probe
In the spring of 2022, the committee staff helped Fulton County prosecutors prepare for interviews with key witnesses.
www.politico.com
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Only to the untrained eye ... or one incapable of discernment.
Wrong.
Duh.
Because it's not my position he should be impeached, convicted, and then prosecuted ?
If Obama were impeached, he would go to trial in Senate - where he would have the opportunity to present a defense.
Unclear and unknown what that might consist of ... since it likely involves classified info, not known to the public at this time.