It is well established in law that free speech is not a shield to criminal conduct. For PR purpsoses, Trump and his people are making this free speech argument in public. If Trump makes this argument in court, he will lose.
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The Trump Card...
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“Presidents are not kings, and [Trump] is not President”
So says, Judge Tanya Chutkan, the judge who will preside over Trump's 2020 election interference trial.
Judge Chutkan is profiled here.
Trump critics worry about Trump-appointed Judge Cannon being randomly selected in Florida. Trump supporters will worry about Obama-appointed Judge Chutkan being randomly selected in Washington.
So says, Judge Tanya Chutkan, the judge who will preside over Trump's 2020 election interference trial.
Judge Chutkan is profiled here.
Trump critics worry about Trump-appointed Judge Cannon being randomly selected in Florida. Trump supporters will worry about Obama-appointed Judge Chutkan being randomly selected in Washington.
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The irony of those who used to clutch their pearls over the phony narrative that Trump was an Authoritarian regime, now wholeheartedly embrace it when The Left does it to try to get Trump.
If the Obama judge had any integrity she woukd recuse herself immediately:
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Once again, the first amendment only guarantees your right to say whatever you want about the government, NO MORE!!!!!
If Trump had any integrity, he would have peacefully yielded the presidency to his successor after losing the election he knew he lost. Instead, he tried to thwart the Constitution and keep power for himself. And if he had followed the law, he would not be a criminal defendant under indictment today.If the Obama judge had any integrity she woukd recuse herself immediately:
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An Interesting Non-Appeal
Judge Cannon scheduled the Mar-a-Lago documents trial before the election. She rejected Trump's argument that he could not get a fair trial while he was running for president. It is interesting to see Trump has not appealed that decision.
That's significant in itself. And it is additionally significant because Trump may try to make the same argument before Judge Chutkan in the 2020 election interference trial. But if Trump accepts Cannon's Florida ruling without a fight, he has no case to make in Chutkan's Washington court. Cannon has already laid down the law.
It has never before happened that a US candidate for president was charged with crimes. Trump argued being a candidate should give him special status. Cannon said, no it does not. If the question comes up in Chutkan's court. she'll find it easy to cite Cannon and quickly rule as Cannon did.
Judge Cannon scheduled the Mar-a-Lago documents trial before the election. She rejected Trump's argument that he could not get a fair trial while he was running for president. It is interesting to see Trump has not appealed that decision.
That's significant in itself. And it is additionally significant because Trump may try to make the same argument before Judge Chutkan in the 2020 election interference trial. But if Trump accepts Cannon's Florida ruling without a fight, he has no case to make in Chutkan's Washington court. Cannon has already laid down the law.
It has never before happened that a US candidate for president was charged with crimes. Trump argued being a candidate should give him special status. Cannon said, no it does not. If the question comes up in Chutkan's court. she'll find it easy to cite Cannon and quickly rule as Cannon did.
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He did follow the law. The Left is clowning themselves by concocting cockamamie charges against Trump.
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One of the main arguments from the Looney Lefties is that Trump knew there was no voter fraud.
But the court cases were mostly dismissed because of STANDING:
But the court cases were mostly dismissed because of STANDING:
This guy is good:
Twenty One Lies
This CNN piece lays out in detail the 21 lies Trump and his supporters used in their attempts to overturn the 2020 election.
There are millions of Americans who will look at that piece and say, "yes! yes! yes! that's it exactly!" The lies are clearly laid out and the credible evidence that proves these are lies is presented; and will be presented in court.
And there are millions of Americans who will immediately dismiss the piece as illegitimate because it comes from CNN, or because the indictment itself is a big lie, or because the DOJ which produced the indictment is corrupt, or because Trump did nothing wrong, or because the indictment is an instrument not for justice but one designed to keep Trump out of power, or for some other such reason.
Neither side seems open to a civil discussion that follows agreed upon rules of debate regarding these 21 points. Both sides strongly believe their view is true. Instead of rational and respectful debate, it's like, "what's wrong with those people? How can they not see the obvious? How can they be so blind?
That's where we are. And it's why American democracy is at grave risk.
It does not matter what the outcomes of Trump's various trials will be. It does not even matter if Trump is sent off to prison, never to be heard from again. Few minds will change, and Americans will remain at each other's throats. The idea of the common good seems to be an old notion once believed long ago. Today, the game is won by making the other side lose.
This CNN piece lays out in detail the 21 lies Trump and his supporters used in their attempts to overturn the 2020 election.
There are millions of Americans who will look at that piece and say, "yes! yes! yes! that's it exactly!" The lies are clearly laid out and the credible evidence that proves these are lies is presented; and will be presented in court.
And there are millions of Americans who will immediately dismiss the piece as illegitimate because it comes from CNN, or because the indictment itself is a big lie, or because the DOJ which produced the indictment is corrupt, or because Trump did nothing wrong, or because the indictment is an instrument not for justice but one designed to keep Trump out of power, or for some other such reason.
Neither side seems open to a civil discussion that follows agreed upon rules of debate regarding these 21 points. Both sides strongly believe their view is true. Instead of rational and respectful debate, it's like, "what's wrong with those people? How can they not see the obvious? How can they be so blind?
That's where we are. And it's why American democracy is at grave risk.
It does not matter what the outcomes of Trump's various trials will be. It does not even matter if Trump is sent off to prison, never to be heard from again. Few minds will change, and Americans will remain at each other's throats. The idea of the common good seems to be an old notion once believed long ago. Today, the game is won by making the other side lose.
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That was a good article, I like how they listed the lies and how they believe it was a lie. Trump knew he lost, he did not want to give up his power, he wanted to be just like his buddy in North Korea, a dictator.
If by some crazy chance he wins next year, it will be the last time we elect a president, Trump and his worshippers will make sure to create a system where they will never have to worry about losing power.
The Left is ok when their side does it:
My wife and I will do well in either scenario; (a) Trump wins and converts America into an authoritarian state, or (b) Trump loses and democracy prevails.
My wife and I are highly educated white people who own a corporation. We are well equipped to prosper and feel safe in either America. But we prefer democracy because we believe no one should be above the law; and all US citizens should have the equal right to vote, and through that, have an equal chance at life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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Well said.
But show me one time that Hillary said to riot and overturn the election for her.
That is only part of what Rubio said. It’s well documented that Hillary and many of her allies spread false claims about the election and Russia collusion to undermine a duly elected president Trump.
Right, but she never told her followers to rush the capitol and prevent Trump from being confirmed. Both her and Trump were sore losers but only one of them DIRECTLY caused riots.