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I dont know about a co conspirator, just because Hunter has threatened that his father would take action there is no real proof that he would.

Enabler, absolutely, most parents enable their drug addict children, its what parents do.

I dont doubt Joe will pardon Hunter if they find him guilty, that was probably the reason they gave him such a good plea deal, no reason to waste money on a trial to have him pardoned.
The enabling part I was referring to was Hunter’s foreign country shakedowns for millions that Joe is facilitating because he gets a cut of the action along with family members. That’s why the Biden’s have more than 20 shell companies.
 
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What do you expect when you have Hunter Biden’s co conspirator Joe being protected by his corrupt and unethical DOJ. They’re burying Hunter’s FARA violations because that would expose Joe who received proceeds from it and helped facilitate his son’s activities. But they weren’t counting on the whistleblowers coming forward. Now they’re in a serious pickle.
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Based on your remarks, is it fair to say you support vote-by-mail?
Sure, if it’s here to stay, which is likely. I’ve seen MAGA Trump supporter’s enthusiasm and dedication to try to get out the vote by door knocking, but why not focus all that energy in a more productive way and target the ones that haven’t voted yet to get those ballots in. Also, if some states can’t maintain the proper ink for Election Day ballots in Republican leaning areas and are overwhelmed by the amount of people that show up, then a different strategy is needed. MAGA should excel at this.
 
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At Trump Rally, PA Republicans Embrace and Promote Mail-in Voting

In this news story, scroll to the end to learn how the PA GOP has embraced mail-in voting. Not only that, they harvested voting registrations and mail-in ballot applications at this event.

Those of you spoke against mail-in voting in this forum may wish to reconsider. Trump and the GOP are all for it.
The whole mail in votes was ok till they used it to cheat....
 
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My Questions About the MAGA Base

I read this morning an interesting analysis by the New York Times about the MAGA base. The piece is more descriptive than critical. To improve my understanding of the MAGA base, I'm wondering if the MAGA people here on EO could help.

Citing a recent poll, the piece makes certain statements about the MAGA base. I list those statements below. I'd love to hear the responses of MAGA supporters. Are these statements accurate or inaccurate?

Again, my purpose in asking this is to improve my understanding of the MAGA base. Your insights would be appreciated. Thank you in advance for your responses.

For the purposes of this piece, and based on their polling results, the writers define the MAGA base this way. "As defined here, members of Mr. Trump’s MAGA base represent 37 percent of the Republican electorate. They 'strongly' support him in the Republican primary and have a 'very favorable' view of him." That's how they identify the MAGA among all people polled. If you strongly support Trump and have a very favorable view of him, you are a member of Trump's MAGA base.

If you were going to write a piece about MAGA, you too would begin by clearly defining the people you were talking about. Is the writers' definition of MAGA acceptable to you? Is it accurate? If not, what definition would you use and recommend?

The Statements

1. MAGA is populist.

2. MAGA is conservative.

3. MAGA is blue collar.

4. MAGA is convinced the nation is on the verge of catastrophe.

5. MAGA is exceptionally loyal to Donald Trump.

6. The MAGA base doesn’t support Mr. Trump in spite of his flaws. It supports him because it doesn’t seem to believe he has flaws.

7. This group is probably about the same as the voters — 37 percent — who supported Mr. Trump in the polls on Super Tuesday in 2016.

8. This group is probably about the same as the group of Republicans — 41 percent — who supported him at his low point in January, in the wake of last November’s midterm elections.

9. Zero percent of the MAGA base thinks Trump committed crimes.
 

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My Questions About the MAGA Base

I read this morning an interesting analysis by the New York Times about the MAGA base. The piece is more descriptive than critical. To improve my understanding of the MAGA base, I'm wondering if the MAGA people here on EO could help.

Citing a recent poll, the piece makes certain statements about the MAGA base. I list those statements below. I'd love to hear the responses of MAGA supporters. Are these statements accurate or inaccurate?

Again, my purpose in asking this is to improve my understanding of the MAGA base. Your insights would be appreciated. Thank you in advance for your responses.

For the purposes of this piece, and based on their polling results, the writers define the MAGA base this way. "As defined here, members of Mr. Trump’s MAGA base represent 37 percent of the Republican electorate. They 'strongly' support him in the Republican primary and have a 'very favorable' view of him." That's how they identify the MAGA among all people polled. If you strongly support Trump and have a very favorable view of him, you are a member of Trump's MAGA base.

If you were going to write a piece about MAGA, you too would begin by clearly defining the people you were talking about. Is the writers' definition of MAGA acceptable to you? Is it accurate? If not, what definition would you use and recommend?

The Statements

1. MAGA is populist.

2. MAGA is conservative.

3. MAGA is blue collar.

4. MAGA is convinced the nation is on the verge of catastrophe.

5. MAGA is exceptionally loyal to Donald Trump.

6. The MAGA base doesn’t support Mr. Trump in spite of his flaws. It supports him because it doesn’t seem to believe he has flaws.

7. This group is probably about the same as the voters — 37 percent — who supported Mr. Trump in the polls on Super Tuesday in 2016.

8. This group is probably about the same as the group of Republicans — 41 percent — who supported him at his low point in January, in the wake of last November’s midterm elections.

9. Zero percent of the MAGA base thinks Trump committed crimes.
Number 4..... yes if the Democrats get in full control again it will 20 times worse than it is now.

Number 7. No we know hes gruff and out spoken by he does get the job done despite the Democrats doing everything they can to block trump.
 
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MAGA believes everyone has flaws even Trump.
We just view his flaws as inconsequential.
 

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Trump's Fundraising and Legal Expenses

Understanding a candidate's campaign finances used to be a straightforward matter. You would look at their filed report, note the amount raised and from whom, and note the amount spent and on what. It's different now because PACs of different kinds have entered the game.

The fundraising and spending rules differ for these PACs, depending on the PAC type. There are various types of PACs (leadership, super, connected, non-connected, issue, trade association). Reporting dates differ too, as do contribution limits and disclosure requirements. Some PACs are under the direct control of the candidate. Others are prohibited by law from coordinating their activities with the candidates.

Certain court rulings and changes in campaign finance laws made this possible. While it is not impossible to track and understand the massive amounts of money flowing in and out of campaigns and their related entities, it has become more difficult because the big picture is more complex. That said, the July 31, 2023 reporting deadline has now been reached. This gives us the ability to view all submitted reports and grasp the big picture year-to-date.

Highlights

For reference, Biden and the Democratic Party work together to raise funds. Their main entity is a joint fundraising committee that raised $72 million year to date. It has $77 million cash on hand, with 750,000 small donors, contributing an average of $37 each.

Unlike Trump, Biden has no primary opponent of consequence. Accordingly, he has few campaign expenses at present. Also, Biden does not have the legal expenses Trump has. More on that below.

Trump has a far more complex array of campaign finance entities. For reasons unknown, a lot of money has been shifted between them. Sometimes this money has been shifted from one entity to another, and then back to the original entity. Nevertheless, it is possible to discern two major themes.
  1. While the amount is far less than Biden's amount, Trump has raised a lot of money, including a lot from small donors.
  2. The top expense is money paid to cover Trump's personal legal bills and those of certain defendants allied with Trump.
Trump's joint fundraising committee brought in $53 million year to date, but he has spent more than that. The spending includes $21 million for legal bills. His fundraising pace is accelerating with $34 million of the $54 million being raised in recent months.

One of Trump's entities is the Save America PAC. This Trump-controlled PAC began 2023 with $18.3 million and now has $3.6 million cash on hand. This PAC began 2022 with $105 million cash on hand. Last year, Save America sent $60 million to the Make America Great Again PAC (a super PAC not controlled by Trump) to be spent on TV commercials. But, in an unusual move, and for reasons unknown, Save America has asked the MAGA PAC to "refund" the $60 million.

The MAGA PAC has so far returned $12.25 million of the requested $60 million. The $12.25 million was not returned all at once. It was returned in a series of smaller payments made on a seemingly random schedule.

The MAGA PAC raised, $13.1 million year to date, mostly from small donors. It entered July with $30 million on hand.

All in, it can be said that Trump's campaign finance effort is a dual-purpose endeavor. He and his allies are raising money to simultaneously pay the traditional expenses of a political campaign, and also pay Trump's personal legal expenses, and those of other defendants allied with Trump. These legal expenses are the largest spending category of all. Over $20 million has been so spent to date on legal expenses. This number is expected to grow as Trump finds himself busiser and busier with multiple indictments and court actions.

Some of Trump's fundraising and money-transfer practices are questionable. Some observers say they are illegal. A grand jury is known to be investigating some of this. It seems likely that Trump opponents or critics will file complaints with campaign finance authorities as well ("unlawful financial coordination"). No charges or formal allegations have yet been made regarding Trump's campaign finances, but it would not surprise me to see some emerge soon.

Whatever the state of Trump's campaign finances may be, there is no danger of him running short of money to fund his campaign. He has said he will spend his own money to fund his campaign if that becomes necessary.

Note that it is legal for campaign committees and some of these PACs to pay the legal bills of certain people. While some have criticized the ethics and/or conflicts of doing so, this is a common practice in corporate America and elsewhere. As long as the spending rules are followed, this is a legal thing to do.

Related: Trump recently established a legal defense fund. Money from this fund will be used to pay the legal expenses, not of Trump himself, but of certain co-defendants and others Trump wishes to help. This is not a political fund and the rules of a legal defense fund differ from those of a PAC or campaign committee. At present, it is unclear how the legal defense fund will be funded.

A New Entity: Backed by conservative billionaire Charles Koch, the Americans for Prosperity Action PAC has emerged. It has raised over $70 million to date. It is spending some of that money on anti-Trump ads in early voting states. This PAC says it will back a Republican (not yet named) for president, but not Trump.
 
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HIGHLIGHTS:
100 percent of tax payer dollars are used by the DOJ and other entities to “investigate” and persecute Trump.
 
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MAGA Republicans should excel at this. Trump supporters are much more enthusiastic than Biden supporters. They just need to reallocate their energy and resources from just gathering on a roadway with Trump signs and knocking on some doors to harvesting those early votes legally and micro target the ones that still haven’t. This legal operation should be in MAGA’s wheelhouse.
No doubt Trump supporters are more enthusiastic, the sad part is that they are that way because they believe the lies he is telling.
 
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No doubt Trump supporters are more enthusiastic, the sad part is that they are that way because they believe the lies he is telling.
But who is more cult like? Dems voted ( 81 million?)for a cognitively challenged person who lies about his bribes of foreign countries.
 
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But who is more cult like? Dems voted ( 81 million?)for a cognitively challenged person who lies about his bribes of foreign countries.
If you are looking for cult-like behavior, you need only view a Trump rally to answer your question. Far fewer Biden supporters dress like that and follow the man's every word and move. Those rally fanatics are deep into it. Not all Trump supporters carry on so.

Similar behavior can be found at any NFL team tailgate party. NFL teams have cult-like fans too.

There is a difference between cult-like and cult member. You mentioned cult-like so I'll not go into the other.
 

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If you are looking for cult-like behavior, you need only view a Trump rally to answer your question. Far fewer Biden supporters dress like that and follow the man's every word and move. Those rally fanatics are deep into it. Not all Trump supporters carry on so.

Similar behavior can be found at any NFL team tailgate party. NFL teams have cult-like fans too.

There is a difference between cult-like and cult member. You mentioned cult-like so I'll not go into the other.
But Dems are more obedient.
 

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Are Trump's Indictment Fundraising Boosts Ebbing?

This analysis discusses the declining fundraising advantage Trump received from his second indictment, compared to the first (see chart). It will be interesting to see what the fundraising impact will be from his third indictment (expected any day) and his fourth (expected mid-August).
 

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