Tennessee Insurrection

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It's not a pesky detail. It's made up fake news. Johnson has been steadfast, consistent and fully aligned with the other two. Whether she held the bullhorn or not as she stood with the others is insignificant hair splitting. And she showed no contrition. She openly refused to apologize.
Apparently one House Republican decided to split hairs and voted accordingly, and against his other Republican colleagues who voted against the white woman . But instead of accepting that was the reason, it’s easier for someone to have a collective mentality and call them racists.
 

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I repeat, because it is true, everything is racism to the left. <<< Nothing in that correct statement names or identifies or even in any way suggests anyone in this discussion, just a statement of fact that current events across the country exhibit and confirm.

Yes, the speaker should have immediately cleared the gallery. Once cleared so nobody but members were present, he should have had the three miscreants removed, by force if required, by the Sergeant-at-Arms. He is a Dade Phelan, an interloper holding a position he should never be allowed to hold.

Sad to see the governor and others bending to their stupidity. Wrong choices will be made.
 
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Create laws that will prevent it from happening again......yea right.
How about Democrats tackle mental illness before they go after guns....that just might fix the gun issue.
But why go after a gun...guns don't just get up and shoot people.....just like cars don't drive off and kill people....at least not yet.
Exactly, the mental health issues is the main problem, but you have to prevent these people from buying guns legally.

I understand why Republicans are afraid of this, one could argue that anyone who supports Trump could be suffering from a mental issue and would be prevented from buying guns.
 
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The Tennessee Protests are Having an Effect

Republican governor impliments certain gun control measures and asks legislature for more.

These kinds of "red flag laws" have been kicked around for several years, but have never been seriously considered in TN. Most reasonable gun enthusiasts would agree that background checks need to be more strictly enforced and taking firearms away from mentally unstable people is a good idea. BTW, it's already against federal law for users of illegal drugs to purchase, possess or own firearms; this law is rarely enforced.

However, it's highly unlikely the recent protests led by the TN 3 were the motivation for Lee to introduce the executive order and propose the legislation. His wife was friends with one of the Covenant victims. Although the shooting victims and their lunatic transgender shooter have disappeared from the headlines, it's highly likely the tragedy itself was the motivating factor for this action from Bill Lee - not the sideshow about the "racist treatment" of the Expelled 2 that's still being splashed all over the media.
 
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No. Not right. That woman has stood frequently and in solidarity with the two black men.
She has a legislative history of doing just that. Her old district and the new one she currently represents is mostly a blue collar area with a high percentage of black population. She is also well known in the area as a far left liberal and has been involved in Knox County politics for over ten years.
That does not change the result. As a body, the House cast a racist vote.
Just because the Republicans voted on a party line doesn't make it a racist vote. Johnson missed being ousted by one vote; one member changed his mind after her lawyer's statement and three abstained. The other two flagrantly broke numerous House rules and bragged about it. They have a sense of entitlement to break rules because of their race. That in itself is racism.

Unfortunately, video recordings aren't allowed on the House floor so there's not much to show what they said and did. But they defiantly broke the rules by approaching the well and speaking without recognition.They created chaos on the floor and in the gallery. The Speaker was well withing his rights for bringing them up for expulsion, and the Republicans were right in voting for it.

“We didn’t get called on for the voucher bill that happened, and we decided between bills we were going to walk up, we were going to acknowledge the people outside surrounding this building, in the rotunda, and we’re going to speak to their issue and tell them that we are with them, because they needed to hear that.”

 
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Just because the Republicans voted on a party line doesn't make it a racist vote.
That's right. A party line vote is not in itself a racist vote. What makes it a racist vote is what was voted on and the outcome.
The Speaker was well withing his rights for bringing them up for expulsion, and the Republicans were right in voting for it.
So you and others say. But there is another opinion also being voiced these days, and it seems to have some credibility as shown by the expelled representatives being reinstated by citizens who obviously disagree with the Speaker and the expulsion vote.
 
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Tennessee House Republicans Welcome Back Those They Expelled

The Tennessee House Majority Leader and the Republican Caucus Chairman issued this statement hours after Justin Jones was reappointed.

"Should any expelled member be reappointed, we will welcome them."

Those advocating for a rules change that would make expulsions irrevocable are not likely to see it.
 

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That's right. A party line vote is not in itself a racist vote. What makes it a racist vote is what was voted on and the outcome.

So you and others say. But there is another opinion also being voiced these days, and it seems to have some credibility as shown by the expelled representatives being reinstated by citizens who obviously disagree with the Speaker and the expulsion vote.
That didn’t make it racist. These Democrats did something that wasn’t done in the 227 year history of the Tennessee House.
 
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That didn’t make it racist. These Democrats did something that wasn’t done in the 227 year history of the Tennessee House.
And the Republicans did something that has never before been done in the TN House. They welcomed back the two they expelled, just days after they expelled them. Funny how public sentiment has a way of changing things up. All of a sudden, they became non-racist and welcomed the black men back.

That proves it, right? They welcomed the black men back. These TN House Republicans; they're the least-racist people you'll ever meet, right?
 
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There is something I want to acknowledge when I call the Tennessee House Republicans racist. While I believe they are racist, that's a belief. In fact, I do not know what lies in their hearts. I do not know what their inner motives were when they voted to expel two black men while letting the white woman off the hook. I only have their words and actions to go by, both of which are public record. Based on those, I believe they are racists, but there is no way to know their true motives and that I acknowledge. I do not know their motives but, as the Bible says, "... by their fruits you shall know them." (Matthew 7:20).
 
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And the Republicans did something that has never before been done in the TN House. They welcomed back the two they expelled, just days after they expelled them. Funny how public sentiment has a way of changing things up. All of a sudden, they became non-racist and welcomed the black men back.

That proves it, right? They welcomed the black men back. These TN House Republicans; they're the least-racist people you'll ever meet, right?
They were allowed to return because they were voted back by their councils and commission.
There is no evidence that they are racists, except in the fertile mind of The Left that sees race in everything.
 
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There is something I want to acknowledge when I call the Tennessee House Republicans racist. While I believe they are racist, that's a belief. In fact, I do not know what lies in their hearts. I do not know what their inner motives were when they voted to expel two black men while letting the white woman off the hook. I only have their words and actions to go by, both of which are public record. Based on those, I believe they are racists, but there is no way to know their true motives and that I acknowledge. I do not know their motives but, as the Bible says, "... by their fruits you shall know them." (Matthew 7:20).
Thanks for enumerating one’s conformational bias.
 
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The Art of War: Start small attacks in many places, and chaos. Your not there to win a large battle, only keep your enemy off center until you reach your goal..sound familiar in Nashiville the other day? the idea is now being used in America,,checked the retail store closures around the country lately? I could be wrong...
 
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Pilgrim

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What makes it a racist vote is what was voted on...
A gross violation of House rules committed by three House members.
...and the outcome.
How's that? Race is not a factor if justice is blind. They broke the rules and got the consequences they deserved. The fact that no Democrats voted against them because of their race and political party is a brazen display of political bias and racism on their part.
So you and others say. But there is another opinion also being voiced these days, and it seems to have some credibility as shown by the expelled representatives being reinstated by citizens who obviously disagree with the Speaker and the expulsion vote.
It should come as no surprise that the districts of these two representatives would send them back to their positions in spite of their antics. Once again, for them it's not about the rules that were broken - it's Democrats vs Republicans. What is surprising is that TN law apparently allows this override. Thus, the House rules have no means of enforcement. Hopefully the Speaker will refuse to assign these anarchists to any committees, or at best put them on the House and Grounds committee or one equally insignificant.
 

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Hopefully the Speaker will refuse to assign these anarchists to any committees, or at best put them on the House and Grounds committee or one equally insignificant.
That would be so mean. Oh, and that would be like racist, like totally racist, like unquestionably racist, like as racist as it gets. You know, racist.
 
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