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In the case that was charged and prosecuted, the judge found the prosecutors did not meet the burden of proof. The other charges were dropped. One can claim favoritism. Another could say the judge was correct and and the prosecutors were correct and there were no cases worth prosecuting. We'll never know, so if you want to spin it one way, go ahead. Spin counts for nothing. The outcome is what matters, and in this case the outcome is Jones retains the presumption of innocence in court, and he is damaged in the court of public opinion.
It’s on tape. The victim in the car doesn’t have to press charges. There were still laws that were broken. Just excuses for favoritism.
 
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ATeam

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It’s on tape. The victim in the car doesn’t have to press charges. There were still laws that were broken. Just excuses for favoritism.
If the case went to trial without a victim, and If Jones claimed this was not real but staged and the person was really a stranger Jones paid $100 to in a spontaneous moment in which he recruited this stranger to help put on a show, who would rise to testify otherwise? There is no proof or disproof. That's why the case was not charged. There is no case without a victim.

Thinking a bit about this, I can't recall a single criminal case that was ever charged or prosecuted without a known victim. Can you?
 

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If the case went to trial without a victim, and If Jones claimed this was not real but staged and the person was really a stranger Jones paid $100 to in a spontaneous moment in which he recruited this stranger to help put on a show, who would rise to testify otherwise? There is no proof or disproof. EThat's why the case was not charged. There is no case without a victim.

Thinking a bit about this, I can't recall a single criminal case that was ever charged or prosecuted without a known victim. Can you?
As I said before continuing to enable bad behavior by twisting into a pretzel to defend criminal actions will only ask for more of it from them.
 

ATeam

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Because they believe the cause is just, they’ll rationalize just about anything.
That's true of just about everyone, including Republicans. No one takes to the streets or polls to support a cause they believe is unjust. No one displays lawn signs that say "Do the Wrong Thing."
 
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danthewolf00

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It may be, but if the police do not know who the victim is and if the victim does not come forward, no arrest will be made and no charges will be filed.
Lol a good prosecutor would press charges....a Democrat prosecutor would throw him jail if he was a Republican.
 

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In the case that was charged and prosecuted, the judge found the prosecutors did not meet the burden of proof. The other charges were dropped. One can claim favoritism. Another could say the judge was correct and and the prosecutors were correct and there were no cases worth prosecuting. We'll never know, so if you want to spin it one way, go ahead. Spin counts for nothing. The outcome is what matters, and in this case the outcome is Jones retains the presumption of innocence in court, and he is damaged in the court of public opinion.
As in most BLM riots in Democrat-run cities, there were very few arrests and prosecutions. Spin, prosecutions, outcomes are not the point in Jones' case. He has FOURTEEN arrests on his record. This fact alone should be an indicator as to the content of his character. Most private employers wouldn't hire this guy to take out their trash, but he was elected as a state representative anyway. Wonder how many other members of the House have an arrest record?
 
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As in most BLM riots in Democrat-run cities, there were very few arrests and prosecutions. Spin, prosecutions, outcomes are not the point in Jones' case. He has FOURTEEN arrests on his record. This fact alone should be an indicator as to the content of his character. Most private employers wouldn't hire this guy to take out their trash, but he was elected as a state representative anyway. Wonder how many other members of the House have an arrest record?
If someone of any color in any community has lots of arrests and no convictions, that would leave us to wonder what's up. It could mean the police have it in for that person and they are abusing their powers. Or it could mean the person has an in with corrupt prosecutors. Or it could mean something else.

I've seen people arrested for no good reason. I'm not willing to proclaim someone guilty or even suspect simply because the person has been arrested. I was once nearly arrested myself because of mistaken identity. The presumption of innocence is of crucial importance when the police begin thinking about or actually arresting someone. An arrest does not make one guilty.
 
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That's true of just about everyone, including Republicans. No one takes to the streets or polls to support a cause they believe is unjust. No one displays lawn signs that say "Do the Wrong Thing."
It’s a big problem when the criminal justice system rationalizes according to that credo though. Slap on the wrist or no charges/ jail time because of social justice/ Equity.
I’m not surprised about Jones being treated lightly. It’s happening all over the country in “blue areas”.

It’s bad enough that they are allowing serious crimes to go unpunished, because of equity. At the same time, in the name of equity, woke prosecutors are excessively charging people that don’t fit their description of social Justice and find themselves at the wrong place at the wrong time at one of those protests.
Case in point:
A senior woman who happens to be white, drove through an intersection after stopping while protesters were blocking the street, reaching in her car, and yelling at her.
Instead of just not charging the woman for reasons that she feared that she may get hurt and drove off, the prosecutor charged her with three offenses.
Do these woke prosecutors have any sense of reason? Apparently not.
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Pilgrim

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Felony vandalism.
What was the case? Who or what entity was the complaintant? Who was charged?
The instance that I had in mind was the picture of Jones standing on a police car during one of the Nashville BLM riots. This by itself should be a felony if damage done is over $1000, but I haven't been able to find the specific statutes that apply to TN police property.
 

Pilgrim

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If someone of any color in any community has lots of arrests and no convictions, that would leave us to wonder what's up. It could mean the police have it in for that person and they are abusing their powers. Or it could mean the person has an in with corrupt prosecutors. Or it could mean something else.
With Jones it's something else. There's video evidence and he's even bragged about getting arrested 14 times. He's well known in Nashville for being an "activist" and was an enthusiastic participant in the BLM riots, plus any other protest he could find.
 

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The instance that I had in mind was the picture of Jones standing on a police car during one of the Nashville BLM riots. This by itself should be a felony if damage done is over $1000, but I haven't been able to find the specific statutes that apply to TN police property.
Also, disobeying a police officer, using a police vehicle, disorderly conduct to name a few.
 

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Unbelievable. On his first day back after being reinstated, Jones shows up at the TN State Capitol with a child's casket to use as a prop for gun control arguments. Fortunately he was denied entry. Another rules violation - props aren't allowed, especially something like this. This guy isn't a representative, he's a crude spoiled brat lost in a congress of adults trying to draw attention to himself. Too bad the House can't enforce their rules.

 
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Unbelievable. On his first day back after being reinstated, Jones shows up at the TN State Capitol with a child's casket to use as a prop for gun control arguments. Fortunately he was denied entry. Another rules violation - props aren't allowed, especially something like this. This guy isn't a representative, he's a crude spoiled brat lost in a congress of adults trying to draw attention to himself. Too bad the House can't enforce their rules.

I think in this case the House did indeed enforce it's rules and Jones complied.

I understand there was a protest going on outside the building in which a number of protesters had a number of those small coffins, which they were using as props to make their point about gun control. Apparently, Jones decided to bring one inside. The prop was not banned from the building. Jones and the prop were passed by security as Jones entered the building. But it was not permitted on the House floor. Jones was stopped at the House floor entrance and was told he could not bring it onto the floor. He did not push through, he complied with whoever told him he could not bring the prop onto the House floor, handing the prop off to his colleague Justin Pearson before entering the House floor. I do not know what happened to the prop after that but it was not brought onto the floor at any time.

That said, Jones and Jones are not going silent. I did not watch the interview but I saw they were scheduled to appear on one of the national cable shows tonight. They have a message, and they're seizing every opportunity they now have on their new national platform (provided courtesy of the Republican supermajority that expelled them) to promote it.
 
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Jones is a disgrace and unfit for public office. The TN house is a disgrace for not upholding their ruling and rejecting him when he was improperly returned to office. Their House leadership should have had more integrity to offset Jones complete lack of any integrity.
 
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Jones is a disgrace and unfit for public office. The TN house is a disgrace for not upholding their ruling and rejecting him when he was improperly returned to office. Their House leadership should have had more integrity to offset Jones complete lack of any integrity.
The House leadership would have only gotten sued by Biden Administration surrogates like Eric Holder for doing so. It would have been done in a heavily “blue” voting area like Nashville and Memphis in front a woke judge and jury eagerly willing to rule for the recidivists.
 
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I think in this case the House did indeed enforce it's rules and Jones complied.
Of course he complied - as if he had a choice. There were state troopers blocking the entry to the chamber, ready to take him to jail.
I understand there was a protest going on outside the building in which a number of protesters had a number of those small coffins, which they were using as props to make their point about gun control. Apparently, Jones decided to bring one inside. The prop casket was not banned from the building. Jones and the prop casket were passed by security as Jones entered the building. But it was not permitted on the House floor. Jones was stopped at the House floor entrance and was told he could not bring it onto the floor. He did not push through, he complied with whoever told him he could not bring the prop casket onto the House floor, handing the prop casket off to his colleague Justin Pearson before entering the House floor. I do not know what happened to the prop casket after that but it was not brought onto the floor at any time.
(Inserts mine for emphasis) I added these to keep from minimizing the optics and downplaying what this clown was trying to do on the floor of the TN State House of Representatives. He wanted to use a child's casket in his drama presentation on the floor of the House. I wonder what was going through the minds of the parents of the three 9 year-olds who were killed at the Covenant School when they saw these videos and pictures?
Crass (definitions):
(1) having or indicating such grossness of mind as precludes delicacy and discrimination (Merriam-Webster)
(2) stupid and without considering how other people might feel (Cambridge Dictionary)

That said, Jones and Jones are not going silent. I did not watch the interview but I saw they were scheduled to appear on one of the national cable shows tonight. They have a message, and they're seizing every opportunity they now have on their new national platform (provided courtesy of the Republican supermajority that expelled them) to promote it.
Even if Jones intended to seriously represent the interests of the constituents of TN 52, he obviously have the mental capacity to carry it out. However this guy is all about attracting attention to himself. He's a professional protester and demonstrator; a "community organizer". The confounding reality is that the public has to tolerate the antics of people like this because TN law doesn't allow for him to be removed from the legislative office for which he is unfit. To place blame on the Republicans for providing him a stage for his antics doesn't stick - that's on the voters of his district. The majority in the House is obligated and required to enforce the rules, and that's what they did when they voted him out.
 
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