We Bail Em' Out....

[layoutshooter]

Thats funny, more freedom if you allow the company to do everything they want, Your kidding me right? Your not forced to join a union, remember your choice thing, dont work there, see, solved.

I DON"T work in a union shop any longer. The union is PART of the reason. I said if I owned the company. When I work for a company I agree to prostitute my body to them for a certain wage/benefit package. Within certain safety limits, they own me for a set amount of time every day. I have to do my best work while I am there and do what I am told. That is life. Now I chose to work for myself. I lease myself and truck to FDCC. I must abide by that contract. If it becomes not to my advantage or if they become too controlling, I am out of here. I don't need a union to add ANOTHER layer of management. I got tired of working harder than the guy next to me and not getting paid more. More work, more pay. Simple.

 

[Oilerman1957]

I DON"T work in a union shop any longer. The union is PART of the reason. I said if I owned the company. When I work for a company I agree to prostitute my body to them for a certain wage/benefit package. Within certain safety limits, they own me for a set amount of time every day. I have to do my best work while I am there and do what I am told. That is life. Now I chose to work for myself. I lease myself and truck to FDCC. I must abide by that contract. If it becomes not to my advantage or if they become too controlling, I am out of here. I don't need a union to add ANOTHER layer of management. I got tired of working harder than the guy next to me and not getting paid more. More work, more pay. Simple.

Then that was your choice, but some like what the union does for them, and again, it is a paid service. and thats there choice, you should respect there choice, just as i respect your choice

 

[layoutshooter]

Then that was your choice, but some like what the union does for them, and again, it is a paid service. and thats there choice, you should respect there choice, just as i respect your choice

But many of my choices are NOT being respected. I will not longer be allowed the health care plan of my choice. Unions played a big role in that with their Barry backing. I am about to lose that freedom of choice. I will be fined and jailed if I refuse to pay that fine. The Constitution is being ignored on this, as well as many other things. If you feel that I HAVE to pay for others health care and demand that I conform to government plans you do not respect my choices. That simple.

 

[chefdennis]

yeap its a paid service , for those that feel they are "entitled" to something...they need the "force' of membership to get their way....The 'force" of membership to dicate to the owner of a business how he will run HIS business.....

Where is it written that anyone one is entitled to a job??? where is it written that an employer is there to provide a job!?!? If an employer "OFFERS" a job, where is it written that that "EMPLOYEE" is entitled to demand how much he should be paid???

What happened to the Owners / Employers "choice???

Just asking.....

 

[Oilerman1957]

yeap its a paid service , for those that feel they are "entitled" to something...they need the "force' of membership to get their way....The 'force" of membership to dicate to the owner of a business how he will run HIS business.....

Where is it written that anyone one is entitled to a job??? where is it written that an employer is there to provide a job!?!? If an employer "OFFERS" a job, where is it written that that "EMPLOYEE" is entitled to demand how much he should be paid???

What happened to the Owners / Employers "choice???

Just asking.....

No chef, not entitled, we paid for a service. we didnt say were entitled to that job, the company hired us, knowing a union was there,see, not entitled. no one forced that company to hire us, they made a choice to hire us, choices are a great thing. The owner has a choice, if he doesnt want to pay the wages close up shop, happens all the time

 

[Oilerman1957]

But many of my choices are NOT being respected. I will not longer be allowed the health care plan of my choice. Unions played a big role in that with their Barry backing. I am about to lose that freedom of choice. I will be fined and jailed if I refuse to pay that fine. The Constitution is being ignored on this, as well as many other things. If you feel that I HAVE to pay for others health care and demand that I conform to government plans you do not respect my choices. That simple.

I dont have an answer for the health care problem in this country, wish i did. Forcing is not a good way, but what we have now isnt working either, but i dont know how to fix all that.

 

[Oilerman1957]

You just did not say...the owner should just close up the shop??

HAHAHAHA, I think i did, Hey, Im alone here, sometimes a short answer works. everyone throws out that choices stuff i just threw one back

 

[chefdennis]

The union was there when Ford or chevy or the chyrslers opened their shops!?!? The uaw was there when the unions burnt down the "Autolite' factory in toledo ohio in one of the worse stories to come out of union organization!?!?

how many trucking companies had equipment burnt or stolen buy the teamsters to 'convince" them that they needed to have theie employees in the the union....you will lose this arguement if you want to continue to claim at the unions were there when people started their businesses....

good choices for the employers, we will burn you out, or you will let your people join the union....

and look at what the unions and the libs are forcing now with "card check"....no union strong arming there, noooo....

And OVM, i don't hate unions, I grew up in a union house, my dad was a union stewart , a business agent and sat on the teamsters joint council.....so i know both sides....but the unions have out grown there purpose and usefulness..and are in some ways reverting back to the thug mafia induced tactics that they were once know for....take a look at how the SEIU does barrys dirty work....The unions have just as much of the balme for the shape the auto companies are in as the poor management ( and that is not poor as in feel sorry for them) and they the unions and management (well the management that barry let stay) were right their to screw over shareholders, bondholders, retirees and the taxpayers of this country to save their milkcow right along with barry and his minions...

 

[Oilerman1957]

The union was there when Ford or chevy or the chyrslers opened their shops!?!? The uaw was there when the unions burnt down the "Autolite' factory in toledo ohio in one of the worse stories to come out of union organization!?!?

how many trucking companies had equipment burnt or stolen buy the teamsters to 'convince" them that they needed to have theie employees in the the union....you will lose this arguement if you want to continue to claim at the unions were there when people started their businesses....

good choices for the employers, we will burn you out, or you will let your people join the union....

and look at what the unions and the libs are forcing now with "card check"....no union strong arming there, noooo....

Really, all that happened? when?, Why did you not include the pinkertons being hired to beat people who were talking unions, burning there houses?, You think it was all onesided?
Do your research man

 

[layoutshooter]

I dont have an answer for the health care problem in this country, wish i did. Forcing is not a good way, but what we have now isnt working either, but i dont know how to fix all that.

Is FORCE and lose of freedom worth it? I think not. What we have is working for the majority of people. Now we are going to use force, how much force are you willing to accept? I make this simple, I refuse to participate or pay the fines. Now what? Jail ok? Kill those who fight back? When you chose a solution you must define those answers. What are you willing to accept?

 

[layoutshooter]

Just watch what happens if the Teamsters decide to have a trucking strike and we continue to run. Does ANYONE REALLY think that they will just wave and smile as we do OUR work?

 

[greg334]

Oiler,
That even happened in 1934. The strikers were very violent and it ended up a big mess.

The battle of the overpass (different event) was used as a rally cry for the UAW, but in fact Reuther and others were following the Teamsters way of recruiting and getting into a lot of smaller shops. They were not nice.

the union does not want to let their little secrets out, like the UAW vs. Teamsters in Flint in 1954 where a bunch of people were stabbed by the UAW people who tried to cross the picket lines.

You got to admit that the age of the union is all but in the past, they have not been needed for at least two decades.

When it was needed, in the 30's through the early 50's, it was needed. The abuse of the worker on many levels were out of control and this is where the union was needed.

Since the first generation of Union Auto worker's were retiring in the late 50's and early 60's, the union changed for the worst. By 1965, the union was no longer needed as a protection group because the company was so desperate for labor they agreed to any demands so rather to do battle for protection, the battle of getting more and more out of the company was on. The average age of worker dropped from 47 to 34 within a few years and this pretty much pointed the way to greed and selfishness. The age of entitlement came out of it.

 

[chefdennis]

you are right i should have mentioned the pinkertons...and when the management / owners did it , it was DEFENSE against a corrupt union force....and as is said, "all is fair in love and war"...the unions were the enemy and it was a war....

And if you don't know about the AUTOLITE union fight, then you need to do your research....

 

[Oilerman1957]

Just watch what happens if the Teamsters decide to have a trucking strike and we continue to run. Does ANYONE REALLY think that they will just wave and smile as we do OUR work?

In this day n age, yes. companies now use the police force to allow scabs to cross a picket line. Which is ironic, using a union police force to stop a union. The corportations have almost completed there assult on the middle class, they have pitted the middle class against one another, telling us how this group over here doesnt deserve what they get or that group over there makes to much and now the middle class has turned on each other and the corportaions just sit back and laugh at us as they slowly have lowered the wages of every middle class job and all we do is bicker between ourselves, instead of standing together, as the old saying goes, united we stand divided we fall, and the middle class has fallen hard

 

[Oilerman1957]

you are right i should have mentioned the pinkertons...and when the management / owners did it , it was DEFENSE against a corrupt union force....and as is said, "all is fair in love and war"...the unions were the enemy and it was a war....

And if you don't know about the AUTOLITE union fight, then you need to do your research....

corrupt union force? hahaha, when that was going on the unions had no power, they were just then stepping up, hahahaha ur a funny man

 

[layoutshooter]

In this day n age, yes. companies now use the police force to allow scabs to cross a picket line. Which is ironic, using a union police force to stop a union. The corportations have almost completed there assult on the middle class, they have pitted the middle class against one another, telling us how this group over here doesnt deserve what they get or that group over there makes to much and now the middle clas has turned on each other and the corportaions just sit back and laugh at us as they slowly have lowered the wages of every middle class job and all we do is bicker between ourselves, instead of standing together, as the old saying goes, united we stand divided we fall, and the middle class has fallen hard

So, let me get this straight, If my company, J.M. Expediting LLC, decides to continue to work as I see fit during a Teamster strike that makes ME a scab? How? It is MY company. I am not allowed to run it as I see fit? What gives anyone the right to stop me? No one company, union etc is entitled to any freight. If I get hired to move a load, I will, and I will get paid.

 

[Oilerman1957]

Oiler,
That even happened in 1934. The strikers were very violent and it ended up a big mess.

The battle of the overpass (different event) was used as a rally cry for the UAW, but in fact Reuther and others were following the Teamsters way of recruiting and getting into a lot of smaller shops. They were not nice.

the union does not want to let their little secrets out, like the UAW vs. Teamsters in Flint in 1954 where a bunch of people were stabbed by the UAW people who tried to cross the picket lines.

You got to admit that the age of the union is all but in the past, they have not been needed for at least two decades.

When it was needed, in the 30's through the early 50's, it was needed. The abuse of the worker on many levels were out of control and this is where the union was needed.

Since the first generation of Union Auto worker's were retiring in the late 50's and early 60's, the union changed for the worst. By 1965, the union was no longer needed as a protection group because the company was so desperate for labor they agreed to any demands so rather to do battle for protection, the battle of getting more and more out of the company was on. The average age of worker dropped from 47 to 34 within a few years and this pretty much pointed the way to greed and selfishness. The age of entitlement came out of it.

GM, FORD, CHRYSLER, they want the unions in there. They now use the unions to talk to the people, to change the way they want. I went on strike 3 times, never once did i see any violence.

 

[Oilerman1957]

So, let me get this straight, If my company, J.M. Expediting LLC, decides to continue to work as I see fit during a Teamster strike that makes ME a scab? How? It is MY company. I am not allowed to run it as I see fit? What gives anyone the right to stop me? No one company, union etc is entitled to any freight. If I get hired to move a load, I will, and I will get paid.

What? I never said any of that, you run as you wish, a scab is someone who crosses a picket line to do ur job as u are on strike.

 

[chefdennis]

LOL, no power yea thats funny right there....

As for standing up for them, what they can't stand up for themselves? they need the non-union and self employed to help them out? The tax dollars they gave them wasn't enough? I mean yea they pay taxes, but so do those that you want to stand up for the union middle class....screw'em....they are no better then anyone else that hs and are taking the hit over the past decade....why should the non union guy stand up to help? where are the union guys standing up and helping those non union unempolyed!?!? And i guess alot here and around the country are no longer middle class because some are doing ok, ot great but ok, because they seen the writing on the wall before the shtf and set themselves up to make it through...they are the ones that can still buy a new car , and are carrying this country (well so far) with their ever increasing tax dollars while those that didn't and lived "paycheck to paycheck" and living on their overtime and figuring it would always be there and spent there way into debt are now living with their lack of seeing the writing on the wall and figuring the union is there.....

I still wish they would have let both GM and Chysler go BK, the country would be better off and the laws wouldn;t have been trampled on my barry in his efforts to nationalize the industry...but then again that is the socialist way

Time to go gamling at the casino and waste some of my middleclass income...anyone envy me!?!? LOL!!

 

[layoutshooter]

What? I never said any of that, you run as you wish, a scab is someone who crosses a picket line to do ur job as u are on strike.

OK, now, if a phama company is being struck, the union is picketing, I get a call to pick up 3 skids, TVAL, I am NOT taking their work away, just moving product. Will they let me pass in peace or will they prevent me and my company from doing lawful work? Does me picking up this load constitute being a scab?

My little brother is a fanatic union, UAW, type. He believes that there should be NO small business trucking. That there should only be a few big companies, controlled by the government, and everyone employee MUST be a Teamster.

He thinks that I am a scab tacking away work from union workers and the I have NO right to run my own business.