We Bail Em' Out....

[Oilerman1957]

There has NEVER been a point in my life when I did NOT have a choice. Not all have had good options, but EVERYONE has a choice. Many from the getto have chosen to get out, and DID IT. I worked with several people at the agency, most in fact, that did NOT come from privileged families. I myself am the son of a miner. I wanted more, I got it. College has NOTHING to do with success, personal drive does.

When I got out of high school I CHOSE to go to work on the line at the Wayne Ford it sucked. I would not have stayed there.

I had a choice when my draft time came up, not good choices, so I did the best I could. I COULD have ran away. I did not. I COULD have just waited for the draft and been cannon fodder, I did not. I CHOSE to enlist to have SOME control over my life.

I CHOSE not to get a degree.

Everyone has choices. I have yet to meet that person that did not. The choices may not have given many options but they are ALWAYS there. Remember the men that started Wendy's and Dominoes pizza were raised in an orphanage.

I am glad your not mad. This is the basic discussion that is going on in this country today. This argument is the very division we see in our politics.

Liberals, socialists, what ever you chose to call them, believe that man is NOT able to take care of himself and the they, the smarter and more compassionate, must do that for them.

Conservatives or what ever you call them, believe that everyone can decide better how to live their lives themselves. No one is smart enough or compassionate enough to provide a better life for another.

I was raised to fend for myself. I did. I am and I will continue to do so.

I would consider myself more of a liberal, but yet i dont believe in the way you portray them, and i certainly dont link liberals to socialists.

And yes your right, everyone has choices in most things in our lives, we dont have choices in who are parents are, or to what schools we might get to attend, or neighborhoods we may grow up in, alot is molded into a child at a young age, some may overcome, some may not. Im glad to see you had some good choices to make in your life, not all do, and to just assume cause we has some better choice offers in our lives that everyone does to is not true. Maybe you were raised to fend forself, maybe some others where never taught those skills, maybe they were raised in a drug house, or an abusive family, you dont know what people have been through in there lives and maybe there choice was just find a way to survive there enviroment. The sad part is that in this country that has so much to offer all those things i speak of are happening way to much

 

[layoutshooter]

I would consider myself more of a liberal, but yet i dont believe in the way you portray them, and i certainly dont link liberals to socialists.

And yes your right, everyone has choices in most things in our lives, we dont have choices in who are parents are, or to what schools we might get to attend, or neighborhoods we may grow up in, alot is molded into a child at a young age, some may overcome, some may not. Im glad to see you had some good choices to make in your life, not all do, and to just assume cause we has some better choice offers in our lives that everyone does to is not true. Maybe you were raised to fend forself, maybe some others where never taught those skills, maybe they were raised in a drug house, or an abusive family, you dont know what people have been through in there lives and maybe there choice was just find a way to survive there enviroment. The sad part is that in this country that has so much to offer all those things i speak of are happening way to much

No we can't chose our parents or schools through high school. Once we are adults we can chose our schools. AS adults we have 100% control over our lives, at least for the time being.

I made good choices? Not all of them were good by any means but is is MY responsibility to deal with the results. I am, I have and will continue to do so.

Liberals in this country, and world wide, tend to lean towards socialism. Social Security, socialized medicine, etc. All ideas backed by liberals, all socialist ideas. Socialism removes choice from the individual. Therefore I abhor it. I want TOTAL control over my life and NO man NOR government has the right to take that from me. It is my birthright, not only as an American but as a human being.

 

[Oilerman1957]

Envy me!?!? LOL, I have made some dumb stupid and really Bad choices in my life, NO ONE I know envies me at all and i'd be the 1st to tell anyone that did that they were nuts....LOL...

I have been poor and broke, both of my own doing..i have worked for everything I have gotten and lost...and then gotten again...I have made bad business decisions and good ones. all in all, I still take responsibility for my wins and losses, I don't blame and i don't ask for help from the gov or unions or anyone else...I have had investors make and lose money right along with me, but they choose to invest, it was their CHOICE....I still have and pay for the affects of bad business decisions...care to buy a storage locker full of fitness equipment!?!? I lost my azz on that one.....

EVERYONE is born equal and with the same chances to make it and succeed and to lose it and waste away or work to get back to where they can make it...i have chose to work and be responsible for my and my families well being....As Layout said, we ALL have CHOICES to make...

As for those from the getto not being able to make it because of their situation, I bet those that have made it from the getto would have a few pointers to give on how they have made it....Those that can't be a football player because they don't have that "skill set or ability", should they be paid to do it anyhow!?!? Should the "players union" set up a "fund" to help those that get cut because "they just aren't good enough"? or should everyone get to play. no matter what their ability!?!?

entitlement, thats what it all about for those that are "under-privilaged"....you can thank your lib democrats for most of those people, lol i think it was Greg that pointed out a while back that most of them didn't even realize they were poor, until the Gov told they were, and told them they would "fix" it for them.....

Envy me....I don't think so....[/QUOTE


You miss the point of the football thing, geez.
As far as the union thing goes, I paid for there service, it wasnt free, just like if you hired a lawyer, we hired a union.

Ever grow up in a getto area? ever been abused from family? ever been turned down for a job cause of a neighborhood you live in? not everyone is created or grows up equal. this country is very much built on the have and have nots and is only getting worse.

Sure there are some who made it out of the getto and as a people we love to point to them and say look, cause it makes us feel better cause then we dont have to look at how we actually view those people, we can just blame it on them. so easy to do, wipe our hands clean and go on with our lives.

 

[Oilerman1957]

No we can't chose our parents or schools through high school. Once we are adults we can chose our schools. AS adults we have 100% control over our lives, at least for the time being.

I made good choices? Not all of them were good by any means but is is MY responsibility to deal with the results. I am, I have and will continue to do so.

Liberals in this country, and world wide, tend to lean towards socialism. Social Security, socialized medicine, etc. All ideas backed by liberals, all socialist ideas. Socialism removes choice from the individual. Therefore I abhor it. I want TOTAL control over my life and NO man NOR government has the right to take that from me. It is my birthright, not only as an American but as a human being.

Who says it is ur birthright? If you can chose ur birthrights then so can others, some will say its there birthright to have health care, NO DIFFERENCE. And for the record, SS was first proposed by republicans, ur conservatives. And liberals are not socialist, thats just a scare tatic that people use now, label someone to scare them into there way of thinking.

And you never have 100% control of your life, you may have 100% control in how you react to thinks that happen in your life, but thats it.

Also, if you remember right, Richard Nixon also thought health care for everyone was a good idea as he tried to get that passed back then, isnt he a conservative?

 

[dieseldiva]

Also, if you remember right, Richard Nixon also thought health care for everyone was a good idea as he tried to get that passed back then, isnt he a conservative?

No, he wasn't....just as too many in the Republican party right now.....are not.

 

[Oilerman1957]

No, he wasn't....just as too many in the Republican party right now.....are not.

According to layouts example of liberals n conservatives he was.

Demos are liberals n socialist, republicans are conversatives

 

[layoutshooter]

Who says it is ur birthright? If you can chose ur birthrights then so can others, some will say its there birthright to have health care, NO DIFFERENCE. And for the record, SS was first proposed by republicans, ur conservatives. And liberals are not socialist, thats just a scare tatic that people use now, label someone to scare them into there way of thinking.

And you never have 100% control of your life, you may have 100% control in how you react to thinks that happen in your life, but thats it

I never mentioned repubs or dems.

Now here is the the deal. Obama wants a single pay system. NO choice in the matter. I REFUSE to participate. Who is right? Do you REALLY believe that a government is RIGHT to use FORCE in health care? In education?

Freedom is the birthright of all humans. The freedom to win or lose at the game of life all based on how we make our choices. Anything less is slavery in my book.

What part of the American liberal agenda is NOT socialist?

Besides none of that matters. I will do as I see fit no matter what the government says. I will chose to fight for what I believe in if I have too. And I and only I decide what my birthrights are. THAT is FREEDOM.

 

[layoutshooter]

WTG Oilerman..you are holding your own....but alas the numbers game is catching up....you are the bunny and it is jump on the bunny time....goinna bail out or fight the good fight? anyways good luck...tough room to play in...

Hey, this is great, no name calling, no personal stupidity, just adults having a good, basic, adult conversation on important adult issues. I love it.

 

[chefdennis]

Oiler wrote:

Ever grow up in a getto area? ever been abused from family? ever been turned down for a job cause of a neighborhood you live in?

Lived it the getto, to this day it is called "Dog Patch" just north of Sylvania Ohio.... Abused by Family, yeap, but thats not open for discussion....Been turned down for job"s" and that "s" means more then one because i was from the WRONG SIDE OF THE TRACKS....one of the 1st jobs a buddy got me after i was turned down my the ownner of the estate he worked at..up front. i wasn't good enough to even cut the peoples grass..after my buddy took my side, the owner gave me the chance, but I had to prove myself...it was a "hand UP" from my friend, not a "hand OUT" from the owner....One of the reasons i have worked for myself and employ people (6 at any given time) is so that I can give people a chance to work for a living...and not take handouts from the gov....

So yea, I can relate to alot more then you would even think, but I had the Choices as my mom taught me to do something with my life...not everything i did was for the betterment of myself , as I said, i have made bad, dumb stupid decisions more then once and I have paid dearly in both financal and person ways...but they decisions and choices were mine to make..god and bad....no one held my hand and lead me to them, they were my choices....and we all have the ability to make them....we don't need a union or the government to make them for us, well those that feel entitled do, but those that want more then a handout will work to make the best of themselves...

And again, I'd be willing to bet that more people driving trucks made that choice because THATS WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO....

you seem to have very little faith in those that are "under-privileged" to be able to make choices and desicisions for themselves...but that is typical of the libs, they are smarter and know whats better for those they feel the need to "take care of"....

 

[dieseldiva]

According to layouts example of liberals n conservatives he was.

Demos are liberals n socialist, republicans are conversatives

Then the point should be made that there are many variables within both parties.

Moderate Democrat= "Bluedog"....Moderate Republican= "Rino"...(we all know this stuff) and of course there could be many more combinations. You can be socially conservative and fiscally liberal and vice versa so we DO need to be careful not to paint with that broad brush that we all hate (when the other guy uses it).

 

[dieseldiva]

WTG Oilerman..you are holding your own....but alas the numbers game is catching up....you are the bunny and it is jump on the bunny time....goinna bail out or fight the good fight? anyways good luck...tough room to play in...

If you're going to be the cheerleader, you're going to need some pom poms......

 

[Oilerman1957]

Hey, this is great, no name calling, no personal stupidity, just adults having a good, basic, adult conversation on important adult issues. I love it.

I have to bail, someone went around ripping the post and mailboxes out of the ground so i have to replace everything, hows that 100% control in my life working now< oh i know, i chose to buy this house that someone chose to rip my mailbox out of the ground< hahahah. It been fun, always love a good debate and you sure will get one in here, hahaha

 

[dieseldiva]

I have to bail, someone went around ripping the post and mailboxes out of the gorund so i have to replace everything, hows that 100% control in my life working now< oh i know, i chose to buy this house that someone chose to rip my mailbox out of the ground< hahahah. It been fun, always love a good debate and you sure will get one in here, hahaha

Hey wait a minute......they're not done with you yet!!!

 

[layoutshooter]

I have to bail, someone went around ripping the post and mailboxes out of the gorund so i have to replace everything, hows that 100% control in my life working now< oh i know, i chose to buy this house that someone chose to rip my mailbox out of the ground< hahahah. It been fun, always love a good debate and you sure will get one in here, hahaha

Been fun, by the way, make the OTHER choice, get a post office box. No one can rip that out!!

Let's see, OVM, pom poms, those shorts, I feel sick.

 

[chefdennis]

Oiler wrote:

Who says it is ur birthright? If you can chose ur birthrights then so can others, some will say its there birthright to have health care, NO DIFFERENCE.

They can think it is their birth right, and it certainly is a RIGHT to have healthcare...its also THEIR RESPONSIBLITY to pay for it themselves or work for an employer that will provide it...it certainly can't be a birth right if OTHERS are expected to pay for it for them......

 

[dieseldiva]

Let's see, OVM, pom poms, those shorts, I feel sick.

Yep....when ya put it that way....I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.....just sayin'

 

[layoutshooter]

Cowboy Up..there buddy....more to come....

Not that I am ever going to see. I have NEW GLASSES that block out things like you in your shorts with pom poms!!

 

[dieseldiva]

Not that I am ever going to see. I have NEW GLASSES that block out things like you in your shorts with pom poms!!

Ya gotta know that someone's gonna come along and say they're "rose-colored".

 

[layoutshooter]

Ya gotta know that someone's gonna come along and say they're "rose-colored".

Yeah, I know, but they are NOT rose colored. They see everything in black and white, just as I do!!!

 

[Oilerman1957]

Oiler wrote:



They can think it is their birth right, and it certainly is a RIGHT to have healthcare...its also THEIR RESPONSIBLITY to pay for it themselves or work for an employer that will provide it...it certainly can't be a birth right if OTHERS are expected to pay for it for them......

Others paid a price for your freedom!!! so that must not be a birthright either