The Trump Card...

ATeam

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Bans, Monitors and Financial Penalties

Last Friday, (2/16/24), Judge Engoron concluded the NY civil fraud trial by issuing his 92-page ruling. The judge found Trump et al are unremorseful and highly likely to commit fraud again. "Their complete lack of contrition and remorse borders on the pathological, " the judge said. Accordingly:

Bans: Trump is banned for three years from serving as an officer or director of any New York corporation, The Trump sons were banned for two years.

Oversight: The Trump Organization shall be required to obtain prior approval from court-appointed monitor Judge Jones before submitting any financial disclosure to a third party. Such disclosure will be reviewed in advance for material misrepresentations. Additionally, an independent director of compliance will be installed at the Trump Organization to ensure compliance with financial reporting obligations.

In other words, Trump can remain the owner, but he has lost direct control of the businesses in question. His ability to directly manage or oversee his New York corporations , and play fast and loose with the numbers is gone.

Disgorgement: Trump must pay $454 million in total penalties. That includes about $355 million in disgorgement and more than $98 million in prejudgment interest at a 9% annual rate. The interest will continue to accrue until the total amount is paid.

Appeal: Trump has vowed to appeal this ruling. That raises two immediate questions:

1. To appeal, Trump must post the full amount of the cash, plus a bit more, or a bond. Will he be able to do that, and if so how will he do it?

2. Appellate courts often grant full or partial stays of the lower-court ruling that is being appealed. If Trump actually appeals, will the appellate court grant a stay in this case? If so, will the stay be limited and apply to only parts of the ruling, or will it apply to the full ruling?

The third question is, will the appeal succeed? The legal experts I listen to are saying there is nothing in Engoron's order that would justify reversal or another trial. There may be some tweaking around the edges by the appellate court but the ruling is likely to stand.
 
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ATeam

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What Happened to Trump's Big Rallies?

It's been a while since Trump has filled a large arena at one of his political rallies. His rallies are now held in smaller venues. Too many empty seats?
 
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ATeam

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A mile long line on a very cold and windy evening, but whatever…
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Meaningless. We don't know the photo is real and we cannot verify the "mile-long" claim, and even if it is real, we don't know if it is from an event today. To know the truth about rally size, we need to know: How many in attendance? How do we know? What is the venue? How many seats? How many filled?
 
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Meaningless. We don't know the photo is real and we cannot verify the "mile-long" claim, and even if it is real, we don't know if it is from an event today. To know the truth about rally size, we need to know: How many in attendance? How do we know? What is the venue? How many seats? How many filled?
All throughout his now 3 times running for election he has done rallies at airports. Easier venues to arrive and leave quickly.
 
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ATeam

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Oh, now it's about news reports being wrong? BTW, USA Today reported two thousand INSIDE.
That makes my point. Two thousand is a far cry from the crowd size Trump used to produce. Trump has been selecting small venues for a while now.
 
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ATeam

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Trump Supporter Response to NY Verdict is Weak

A group of truckers, including "Chicago Ray," who has emerged as a spokesman, are saying online that they will refuse loads into New York City to protest the devastating loss Trump suffered in the now concluded New York civil fraud case. (Source) So far, there is no noticeable effect on the city's supply chain. No other trucker protests have been organized that I know of.

"Elena Cardone, the wife of wealthy real estate investor Grant Cardone, created a GoFundMe page called 'Stand with Trump; Fund the $355M Unjust Judgment.' Her husband explained on X that "100% of funds will be forwarded to the Trump organization for his defense of this "ridiculous judgment.'" (Source)

The stated goal is $355 million, which is the amount of the judgement Trump must pay, not including an additional $100 million in interest. As of this post time, $414,179 has been raised toward that goal. That's one-tenth of one percent of the goal. Here's the link. If you think it important to send your money to a billionaire who regularly commits fraud, you can do so now.

Per muttly, it was reported that about 2,000 people attended the Trump rally in Michigan that happened soon after the NY verdict was announced. That and the other recent rallies show a huge decline in crowd size compared to Trump's prior rallies. It is worth noting that this decline is happening in an election year when things would be expected to heat up. If Trump is receiving a popularity boost from Trump-adverse court rulings, that seems to have peaked some time ago. Nothing is happening on the ground to back up the polling support some people claim is valid.

Trump has not called for street protests in response to the NY verdict. He tried that before with previous court rulings that went against him, and few showed up. If there are any reports of Trump supporters taking to the streets on their own now, they are few and far between.

Trump himself continues to raise funds, but it has been a while since he posted big boasts about big funds rolling in.

We'll have to wait for the next reporting period to know exactly how much (or little) money Trump is raising now that he is suffering massive losses in court (Carroll $83.3 million, The People of New York, $454 million), and his Manhattan criminal trial date approaches.
 
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danthewolf00

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Lol Fannie Willis said she took money from her campaign and used it to pay for personal debt.....she said this while on the stand being questioned for hiding a relationship with her special prosecutor.
I believe campaign finance laws says she can't do that....Santos got nailed for that.
 
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