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Pilgrim

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In the Willis/Wade case, these were not business expenses. They were not the kind of thing that they would try to claim as a tax deduction. No tax laws were violated as far as I know. There would be no reason for an audit. This was vacation money with one partner reimbursing the other for her half. That is neither criminal nor suspicious. No evidence was produced by the defendants that suggests otherwise. The Willis/Wade testimony about the cash is plausible and stands unchallenged by any countervailing evidence at present.
First of all, Wade testified under oath that he charged all these trip, entertainment and social expenses that involved him and Willis on his business credit card. Keep in mind that he'd recently been given a lucrative contract by Willis as lead prosecutor in the Trump RICO case - a position for which he was not qualified. Following that money these charges show it was being used to benefit him and her to pay for these flights, cruises, thus showing her personal benefits gained from the position she'd given him.

Anybody who has ever held a company credit card knows you NEVER intermingle personal purchases on a corporate card, even if it's a PC like his.
Wade also testified that Willis reimbursed him with cash for her share of the expenses, ostensibly to offset any material gains to her. However, he made no receipts and kept no records for any of her cash reimbursements and deposited none of it in the bank. Willis also testified she kept no records of these cash repayments. So there's no proof she ever paid him back for anything, in spite of her having the gall to claim her testimony alone was proof. She is also required by the state to declare gifts over $100 in value. To say the least, the testimony of both Wade and Willis was not credible.

The icing on the cake was testimony from Willis's former friend and co-worker that Wade and Willis had a romantic relationship that began in 2019; that would make his hiring as lead prosecutor all the more improper, and reason enough to disqualify both of them.

This just in: Willis will not testify today as planned, as her team declared they had no questions for her. Evidently they had seen enough.
 
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You did the right thing. I watched about half of her performance and it was grossly unprofessional and strained the limits of credulity. It's hard to believe she wasn't held in contempt of court. Even the talking heads on MSNBC were dismayed at her antics and predicted she'll probably get disqualified from the case. That may be the least of her problems if the IRS and the state of GA decide to audit her after the tales she told about her cash transactions to Wade with no supporting documents. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
I listened to about 90 percent of it, but didn’t watch.
My impression: Wade and Willis came off as arrogant and their testimony wasn’t plausable.
Today’s testimony so far :
Fani’s dad claimed to know about Covid (before Covid knew about Covid) when he was asked about 2019.
And also testified to prepping with lawyers and Fani while being sequestered as well as listening and watching trial coverage.
 
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First of all, Wade testified under oath that he charged all these trip, entertainment and social expenses that involved him and Willis on his business credit card.
That would be different then. It would remain to be seen if the expense was deducted and if it was allowed. Business entertainment expense is an allowable tax deduction. Hard to now how this will play out until more is known.
Keep in mind that he'd recently been given a lucrative contract by Willis as lead prosecutor in the Trump RICO case - a position for which he was not qualified.
The qualification question is open. His management of things during the grand jury produced good reviews. He performed well. He is also said to have performed well in previous jobs. He may not have been a RICO master but he is an attorney with a credible record. It would be hard to make a case in court that he was "not qualified" for the job. Is it questionable that he was hired? Absolutely. But that goes to Fani's numbskull actions, not Wade's qualifications.
Following that money these charges show it was being used to benefit him and her to pay for these flights, cruises, thus showing her personal benefits gained from the position she'd given him.
She says she reimbursed him and there is no evidence to the contrary.
Anybody who has ever held a company credit card knows you NEVER intermingle personal purchases on a corporate card, even if it's a PC like his.
I wish that was true. People trusted with business funds mess things up all too often. That said, Willis and Wade knew or should have known.
Wade also testified that Willis reimbursed him with cash for her share of the expenses, ostensibly to offset any material gains to her. However, he made no receipts and kept no records for any of her cash reimbursements and deposited none of it in the bank.
True. But that does not prove the payments were not made. Fani handed him cash. He put it in his pocket. Would it have been smarter to create a better record? Of course it would have been. But that does not make the reimbursement false. It happened and it was legit. Unless someone provides evidence to the contrary, Willi's plausible story will stand.
Willis also testified she kept no records of these cash repayments. So there's no proof she ever paid him back for anything, in spite of her having the gall to claim her testimony alone was proof. She is also required by the state to declare gifts over $100 in value. To say the least, the testimony of both Wade and Willis was not credible.
If she repaid her share, it was not a gift. And she is indeed the proof. She testified to certain facts under oath and no one has produced any contrary facts. That could change, but she is the proof now.
The icing on the cake was testimony from Willis's former friend and co-worker that Wade and Willis had a romantic relationship that began in 2019; that would make his hiring as lead prosecutor all the more improper, and reason enough to disqualify both of them.
That witlessness's credibility is questionable. We'll see what weight the judge gives to her testimony.
This just in: Willis will not testify today as planned, as her team declared they had no questions for her. Evidently they had seen enough.
Evidently, she did so good on the stand yesterday that there was no reason to put her back on today.

Even if that's the case, I still deeply resent the ludicrous stupidity exhibited by Willis and Wade and the resulting Jerry Springer Show episode we saw in court yesterday.
 
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Trump's $4 billion stake in DEAC now being discussed is not $4 billion in ready cash. It is in shares of the company at today's market value. In new shares like this, it is common that the principle's shares are restricted. They own them but can do nothing with them for a year or two. But the shares themselves have value and others can trade them on the open markets. That means E. Gene Carroll has a convenient place to go to collect the $83.3 million a jury awarded her, and an additional $5 million a different jury awarded for the sexual assault and defamation Trump did.

Armed with the court judgement, she can seize $88.3 million-woerth of these assets that are illiquid to Trump by virtue of the restriction, but liquid to her by her ability to sell them in the open market.
 
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I listened to about 90 percent of it, but didn’t watch.
My impression: Wade and Willis came off as arrogant and their testimony wasn’t plausable.
Today’s testimony so far :
Fani’s dad claimed to know about Covid before Covid knew about Covid, when he was asked about 2019.
And also testified to prepping with lawyers and Fani while being sequestered.
He implied that covid hit South Africa before the US. Not sure it really matters, but that did sound odd.

He also said he wasn't advised about the rules of sequestration - seriously? He's an attorney. Willis obviously was watching Wade's testimony before she made her surprise appearance yesterday. They seem to have their own set of rules.
 

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He implied that covid hit South Africa before the US. Not sure it really matters, but that did sound odd.

He also said he wasn't advised about the rules of sequestration - seriously? He's an attorney. Willis obviously was watching Wade's testimony before she made her surprise appearance yesterday. They seem to have their own set of rules.
Thousands of cases…
 
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Another Trump Day of Reckoning

It's going to take the news organizations a bit of time to digest and fully bullet-point the ruling Judge Engoron issued today. Short story: Trump lost big. Virtually all of the political arguments Trump made in court did not work. Virtually all of the legal arguments AG James made in court did work.

Moral of the story 1: When you are in court, make legal arguments, not political arguments.

Moral of the story 2: If you're running a business, abide by the law.

Expectation: Trump will appeal to delay the reckoning, but he will not prevail, and eventually, he'll have to suffer the consequences of his fraud.
 
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Trump's Court-Orderd Obligations

Here's a list of the money Trump has been ordered by various courts to pay. While significant, the amount of interest owed to date and continuing to accrue is not included. One example of pre-judgement interest due is $99 million included in the Engoron order. That amount increase daily until the ordered amount is paid. (Source)

For New York civil fraud, $355 million

For sexually assaulting and defaming E. Gene Carroll, $5 million

For again defaming E. Gene Carroll, $83.3 million

For refusing to comply with a subpoena in the NY civil fraud case, $110,000

For violating Engoron's gag order, $15,000

For filing a baseless lawsuit against the NY Times, $400,000

For filing a frivolous lawsuit against Hillary Clinton, $938,000
 
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It remains to be seen if legal points where made sufficient to have her disqualified from the case,
Because of privilege issues, Judge McAfee met with one witness in private. Unless something surprising comes out of that meeting, it does not appear the defendants proved the accusations they made against Willis and Wade, such that they would be disqualified from prosecuting their RICO case against Trump et al.

They made accusations but had no credible proof. It will be interesting to see if the judge sanctions the defendants for bringing such a thing to court.
 

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Because of privilege issues, Judge McAfee met with one witness in private. Unless something surprising comes out of that meeting, it does not appear the defendants proved the accusations they made against Willis and Wade, such that they would be disqualified from prosecuting their RICO case against Trump et al.
What's being left out of this discussion is Wade's testimony, which was a train wreck. He was not credible, especially when it came to his references to cash transactions and the way he handles his personal and business finances. He offered no explanation of what happened to the thousands of dollars Willis supposedly gave him in reimbursements for their trips, flights, etc. Instead he just said he "spent it"; didn't apply it toward the trip charges on his credit card or anything else remotely specific. He also claimed it was common to have clients who would pay him with piles of cash. It's no wonder Willis decided to storm into the courtroom and create chaos to turn attention away from his damaging testimony.
They made accusations but had no credible proof.
The judge made it clear from the start that there was a low bar for Willis to be disqualified; the defense team didn't have to concisely prove conflict of interest or impropriety; the appearance of impropriety would be enough for disqualification, just as it was when Willis was disqualified from her attempted case against Lt. Gov candidate Burt Jones. The appearance of impropriety is certainly apparent here: (1) sworn testimony from a former friend and co-worker that they were romantically involved in 2019 (2) credit card statements showing that Wade paid for trips, flights, cruises, etc that showed material gain for her. Her claim that she reimbursed him in cash was unsubstantiated by both of them. Their romantic relationship in itself is problematic. Simply put - the defense has proof of their claims, Willis can't prove hers in spite of the coordinated stories from her, her daddy and her lover. Cui bono? Their motivation to lie is obvious - they could be disqualified, disbarred, audited by the IRS, and/or prosecuted.

“It’s clear that disqualification can occur if evidence is produced demonstrating an actual conflict or the appearance of one,” McAfee said, according to HuffPost. “I think it’s possible that the facts alleged by the defendant could result in disqualification. I think an evidentiary hearing must occur to establish the record on those core allegations.”
The judge's precise language appears to show his cautious approach to the matter, attorney John Acevedo, a visiting professor with Emory University, told Atlanta local news organization, 11Alive News. "The key phrase from Judge McAfee was 'the appearance of conflict of interest,'" Acevedo said. "And that's clearly what's on Judge McAfee's mind here; it's the appearance of impropriety, even where there may not be any."


It will be interesting to see if the judge sanctions the defendants for bringing such a thing to court.
He won't, especially after he tolerated Willis's courtroom tantrum on Thursday.
 
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What's being left out of this discussion is Wade's testimony, which was a train wreck. He was not credible, especially when it came to his references to cash transactions and the way he handles his personal and business finances. He offered no explanation of what happened to the thousands of dollars Willis supposedly gave him in reimbursements for their trips, flights, etc. Instead he just said he "spent it"; didn't apply it toward the trip charges on his credit card or anything else remotely specific. He also claimed it was common to have clients who would pay him with piles of cash. It's no wonder Willis decided to storm into the courtroom and create chaos to turn attention away from his damaging testimony.

The judge made it clear from the start that there was a low bar for Willis to be disqualified; the defense team didn't have to concisely prove conflict of interest or impropriety; the appearance of impropriety would be enough for disqualification, just as it was when Willis was disqualified from her attempted case against Lt. Gov candidate Burt Jones. The appearance of impropriety is certainly apparent here: (1) sworn testimony from a former friend and co-worker that they were romantically involved in 2019 (2) credit card statements showing that Wade paid for trips, flights, cruises, etc that showed material gain for her. Her claim that she reimbursed him in cash was unsubstantiated by both of them. Their romantic relationship in itself is problematic. Simply put - the defense has proof of their claims, Willis can't prove hers in spite of the coordinated stories from her, her daddy and her lover. Cui bono? Their motivation to lie is obvious - they could be disqualified, disbarred, audited by the IRS, and/or prosecuted.

“It’s clear that disqualification can occur if evidence is produced demonstrating an actual conflict or the appearance of one,” McAfee said, according to HuffPost. “I think it’s possible that the facts alleged by the defendant could result in disqualification. I think an evidentiary hearing must occur to establish the record on those core allegations.”
The judge's precise language appears to show his cautious approach to the matter, attorney John Acevedo, a visiting professor with Emory University, told Atlanta local news organization, 11Alive News. "The key phrase from Judge McAfee was 'the appearance of conflict of interest,'" Acevedo said. "And that's clearly what's on Judge McAfee's mind here; it's the appearance of impropriety, even where there may not be any."



He won't, especially after he tolerated Willis's courtroom tantrum on Thursday.
The appearance( at the very least) of impropriety has been met. There is no good reason why the prosecution couldn't be done in a different county.
 
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What's being left out of this discussion is Wade's testimony, which was a train wreck. He was not credible, especially when it came to his references to cash transactions and the way he handles his personal and business finances. He offered no explanation of what happened to the thousands of dollars Willis supposedly gave him in reimbursements for their trips, flights, etc. Instead he just said he "spent it"; didn't apply it toward the trip charges on his credit card or anything else remotely specific.
He is not required to offer an explanation, especially because the defendants' inept attorneys did not push for one. Willis testified she gave him cash to reimburse him for her portion of the trips. The defendants' attorneys did not question that much and produced no evidence to the contrary. The question before the court is about conflict of interest sufficient to disqualify Willis from the case. She testified she gave cash back to Wade. He concurred. There is no requirement that something in particular be done with the cash once it is received. The testimony was plausible.

Is this an optimal way to do business and keep books? Of course not. Is it enough to get Willis disqualified? Probably not.
He also claimed it was common to have clients who would pay him with piles of cash.
Maybe he does. How is that relevant or irrelevant to the question at hand? Again, not the best way to manage one's business but not enough to get anyone disqualified off the case where the question is about conflict of interest. On that question, the defendants came up with little or nothing.
It's no wonder Willis decided to storm into the courtroom and create chaos to turn attention away from his damaging testimony.
Not being mind readers, and having no explanation from Willis, we do not know why she chose to testify. That's what was going on when I dialed into the hearing (and soon dialed off). While this is not a legal point of importance, it seemed to me that Willis was far more emotionally engaged than I would expect a professional prosecutor to be. It seems to me this case has gotten deeply under her skin. That's understandable. Her life has been disrupted in major ways because of the threats she has received, and her every move is being scrutinized. She seems to me to be still competent in battle but not cool under fire. The opposing attorneys, if they are sharp, will have noticed this and filed it away for future reference and use. If they can push her buttons and thereby prompt a blunder, advantage Trump.

She has already blundered a few times. She may blunder again. Still, she's on the case for now and that court date approaches.

The judge made it clear from the start that there was a low bar for Willis to be disqualified; the defense team didn't have to concisely prove conflict of interest or impropriety; the appearance of impropriety would be enough for disqualification, just as it was when Willis was disqualified from her attempted case against Lt. Gov candidate Burt Jones.
Not "just like." that situation is significantly different and that disqualification made sense. We'll see soon whether the judge disqualifies. What you see and what he "made clear" may be different.
The appearance of impropriety is certainly apparent here: (1) sworn testimony from a former friend and co-worker that they were romantically involved in 2019
That witness and testimony has been discredited.
(2) credit card statements showing that Wade paid for trips, flights, cruises, etc that showed material gain for her.
No one denied that, and yes, those antics absolutely create an appearance of impropriety. But the impropriety is professional misconduct that creates an appearance of impropriety, not conflict of interest, which is what the defendants are complaining about and using as the basis for disqualification.
Her claim that she reimbursed him in cash was unsubstantiated by both of them.
As I said above, no proof is needed. Both Willis and Wade testified under oath the cash was paid. No evidence or testimony to the contrary exists. If I owe someone $10,000 and pay it in cash, and I do not ask for and do not receive a receipt, and the creditor testifies under oath that I paid the money, and no one says otherwise, the money was paid as far as the judge is concerned.
Their romantic relationship in itself is problematic. S
Big time!
imply put - the defense has proof of their claims, Willis can't prove hers in spite of the coordinated stories from her, her daddy and her lover. Cui bono? Their motivation to lie is obvious - they could be disqualified, disbarred, audited by the IRS, and/or prosecuted.
We'll see. I'd be surprised if any of that happens because the question at hand is about a conflict of interest. The IRS audit may be triggered by Wade's testimony but that's about his money management, not a conflict of interest that pertains to the RICO case.

Finally, one thing that emerged in this hearing is Wade is dispensable. He was not Willis's first choice to work this case. He is tainted now such that every time he appears in court as a prosecuting attorney, the jury and others will be thinking about his now-over affair with Willis. It seems to me wise for Willis to give him the boot. That will take some but not all of the scandal heat off her, and clear the way for an unencumbered attorney to argue the case in court.
 
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Shoes to Match the Hat


Watch the money roll in as the cultists rush to buy the Trump sneakers to match their MAGA hats. No self-respecting rally goer will be be seen attending without the proper headgear and footgear.
 
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Shoes to Match the Hat


Watch the money roll in as the cultists rush to buy the Trump sneakers to match their MAGA hats. No self-respecting rally goer will be be seen attending without the proper headgear and footgear.
Making America great again by making crap in China I'm sure.
 
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Trump Cannot Use Political Funds to Pay the Engoron-Ordered Judgement

Trump cannot easily turn to his political donations to pay the [Engoron-ordred] judgment. It is illegal to use campaign funds to pay an expense that is totally unrelated to a campaign, and although Trump super PACs spent approximately $50 million of donor money on legal bills in 2023 defending the four criminal indictments, those cases are all connected to his candidacy for or tenure as president. It would be trickier for a super PAC to pay for this business debt, especially because Trump cannot legally control those funds. But it would be naïve to think Trump wouldn’t try to violate the spirit, if not the letter, of campaign finance law. And he could always make a direct [non-political "hey buddy, can you help a fraudulent billionare out?"] appeal to his massive donor base to help pay this judgment, although this amount is a huge sum to raise, even for Trump. (Source: Slate)
 
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