The Trump Card...

Pilgrim

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I've said it before. Trump is a flight risk. He would defect to Russia before serving time in a US prison. Just recently, he's talking about living in France.
This is pure fantasy.
Trump is not a flight risk. He doesn't hate the country, and never even implied taking up residency in France. Nowhere in his quote does he say that:

“I could have been RELAXING at Mar-a-Lago or in the south of France ― which I would prefer to being in this country, frankly..."
(emphasis mine)

Once again, a scribe front the Huffington Post has taken a quote out of context and turned it into a lie about Trump. Naturally, liberal media like Yahoo News repeat it and embellish it.

Trump obviously hates what is happening in this country under Democrat leadership as do millions of other Americans, and he prefaces that immediately before the above quote.

Inflation, crime, the southern border, cultural decay, impotent foreign policy - the list is long; meanwhile he's being politically persecuted by a weaponized DOJ taking orders from his opposition party leaders. This is stuff that happens in Russia.

There a big difference between "relaxing in Mar-a-Lago or the south of France" and escaping to exile in another country - especially France.
 

ATeam

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Is Trump Well?

Since before he was elected in 2016, a number of mental-health experts and laypeople have speculated about Trump's mental state. That has gone on for years. Noticing Trump has spent the last few days spewing forth an extraordinary level of venom, even for him, I'm beginning to wonder if he is losing it under the pressure of the indictments.

He has been indicted three times so far and a fourth is expected next week. New to him, these are criminal felony indictments that could land him in prison for a long time. Also new to him are the government prosecutors who are not easily intimidated. So the intimidation tactics he has often used in the past are not working well today.

Trump has not yet seen the witness lists and evidence against him in the two federal cases. When he does, it's going to really set him off. Think about that. Already under pressure, he's going to learn exactly who testified against him under oath and what they said.

All of these witnesses are Republicans. Most of them worked closely with Trump or in high-level, trusted positions in his administration and/or campaigns. And the expected protective order will make it very dangerous for Trump to spew any venom against them. One of his favorite tactics will be taken from him. That will not sit well with Trump.

I'm told that when someone is indicted by a federal grand jury, it's an intense experience even if there is just one charge. Such a thing is a major challenge for pretty much anyone. Trump will soon be dealing with four criminal indictments, containing dozens of counts.

His ratcheted up venom spewed against all sorts of people, even the US women's soccer team, suggests the pressure is getting to him. Not content to just speak, he has purchased vicious Fani Willis attack ads to run on TV. Some suggest he is doing this to discredit the justice system itself. If the judges begin to believe that, watch for them to sanction him hard.

Unlike others who have suggested Trump has actually gone insane, I'm not going that far. But I am watching his behavior more closely as he responds to the mounting legal pressure on him.

Trump may not be well. He may indeed be losing it as the pressure mounts and he finds his traditional trial tactics to be less effective than he is accustomed to.
 
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Smith Proposes Jan 2 Trial Date for Election Interference Case

Smith says in a court filing today that it will take no more than 4-6 weeks to present the evidence to the jurors after it starts. (Source)
 
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muttly

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This is pure fantasy.

Trump is not a flight risk. He doesn't hate the country, and never even implied taking up residency in France. Nowhere in his quote does he say that:

“I could have been RELAXING at Mar-a-Lago or in the south of France ― which I would prefer to being in this country, frankly..."
(emphasis mine)

Once again, a scribe front the Huffington Post has taken a quote out of context and turned it into a lie about Trump. Naturally, liberal media like Yahoo News repeat it and embellish it.

Trump obviously hates what is happening in this country under Democrat leadership as do millions of other Americans, and he prefaces that immediately before the above quote.

Inflation, crime, the southern border, cultural decay, impotent foreign policy - the list is long; meanwhile he's being politically persecuted by a weaponized DOJ taking orders from his opposition party leaders. This is stuff that happens in Russia.

There a big difference between "relaxing in Mar-a-Lago or the south of France" and escaping to exile in another country - especially France.
More “mistakes” by the SCO:

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ATeam

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Belief in the Big Lie is Fading

Trump’s lawyers have repeatedly disowned their own specific stolen-election claims in the face of legal pressure.

Trump’s 2024 GOP opponents are increasingly saying, contrary to his claims, that he in fact lost the 2020 election.

And while as many as 7 in 10 Republicans continue to tell pollsters that President Biden’s win was illegitimate, the share who say there is “solid evidence” of that has declined. About half of election deniers now say they’re going on “suspicion only.” (Source)
 

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Why Has This Not Happened Yet?

Nine days ago, Trump said he would immediately request a change of venue for the election interference trial, and that Judge Chutkan be recused. But he has filed no such request to date.

Why not?
 

muttly

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Why Has This Not Happened Yet?

Nine days ago, Trump said he would immediately request a change of venue for the election interference trial, and that Judge Chutkan be recused. But he has filed no such request to date.

Why not?
Probably because there is a process for doing so, e.g Trump’s lawyers want to take care of other court issues first.

Like, why ask for a change in venue yet when they will file an interlocutory appeal.
 
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As Expected, Trump Gets No Special Status in Court Because He's a Candidate

"The defendant has the right to free speech, but that right is not absolute," [Judge] Chutkan said at the onset of the hearing. "Without a protective order, a party could release that info to the jury pool." ...

"The fact that he's tuning a political campaign has to yield to the orderly administration of justice," Chutkan replied. She suggested that Trump might release evidence about former Vice President Mike Pence's testimony, for example, to denigrate him as a witness.

"The defendant's desire to respond to political opponents has to yield," Chutkan said. "There are limits. This is a criminal case. The need for this case to proceed in a normal order means there are going to be limits on the defendant's speech."

She told Lauro that how a protective order might affect the presidential campaign was not her concern. "I cannot and will not factor into my decisions the effect it will have on a campaign for either side," she said. ...

"He will get his rights," Chutkan said. "The existence of a political campaign is not going to have any bearing on my decision I intend to keep that out of my decision."
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This was a mixed decision by the judge. While limiting Trump's speech, she also limited the scope of the protected order to something less than the DOJ sought.

"The federal judge overseeing the election conspiracy case against Donald Trump largely sided with his defense Friday in a dispute over a protective order and said she was inclined to agree to less restrictive rules than were sought by prosecutors around the public disclosure of government evidence.

"U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan in Washington rejected prosecutors’ broader protective order proposal that sought to prevent the public airing of all evidence they hand over to Trump’s defense as they prepare for trial. She instead seemed poised to impose a more limited protective order that would bar the public release only of materials deemed “sensitive,” such as grand jury materials." (
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Probably because there is a process for doing so, e.g Trump’s lawyers want to take care of other court issues first.

Like, why ask for a change in venue yet when they will file an interlocutory appeal.
Trump did not say he wanted to take care of other court issues first. He said "immediately." That was 9 days ago.
 
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"Immediately" has a different standard in the legal system. That said, the Trump legal team better be working on this.
 
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"Immediately" has a different standard in the legal system. That said, the Trump legal team better be working on this.
They may be working on it but by all accounts, any motion for the judge to recuse or for a change of venue will fail. I think that's the reason "immediately" turned into nothing.
 
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If Trump Doesn't Get This Message ...

(Chutkan quotes from various news sources.)

In court today, Judge Chutkan sent a clear message to Trump. If he does not get this message, he'll find himself in deep trouble with a judge who made it clear that "I will do everything necessary to protect the integrity of these proceedings."

The judge's options include limiting Trump's speech with a protective order (done today), limiting his speech with a gag order, and imposing fines. An extreme measure would be to revoke his conditions of release 's and take him into custody. That would be extreme, but the judge has that power.

Donald Trump is not a free man. He is a criminal defendant subject to the rules of the court.

Additional comments from the judge that Trump would be well advised to heed include:

The former president has a right to free speech, but that right is “not absolute,” Chutkan said. “Mr. Trump, like every American, has a First Amendment right to free speech, but that right is not absolute. In a criminal case such as this one, the defendant’s free speech is subject to the rules.”

“The fact that he’s running a political campaign currently has to yield to the orderly administration of justice,” she said. “And if that means he has to limit what he says about witnesses in this case, that’s how it has to be.”

“He’s a criminal defendant,” Chutkan responded. “He’s going to have restrictions like every other criminal defendant.”

“He is a criminal defendant. He is going to have constraints the same as any defendant. This case is going to proceed in a normal order,” Chutkan said.

“I caution you and your client to take special care in your public statements about this case,” Chutkan said. “I will take whatever measures are necessary to safeguard the integrity of these proceedings.”

“You [Trump's attorney] are conflating what your client needs to do to defend himself and what he wants to do politically,” she told him. “And what your client does to defend himself has to happen in this courtroom, not on the internet.”


“It is a bedrock principle of the judicial process in this country,” she said, “that legal trials are not like elections, to be won through the use of meeting hall, the radio and newspaper. This case is no exception.”

“Even arguably ambiguous statements from parties or their counsel, if they can be reasonably interpreted to intimidate witnesses or to prejudice potential jurors, can threaten the process,” Chutkan added later. “The more a party makes inflammatory statements about this case which could taint the jury pool … the greater the urgency will be that we proceed to trial quickly.”
 
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Bias judge should recuse:
So you say, but she is not going to recuse, is she? If she was going to do that, she would have done it already.

The next step toward recusal is for Trump to file in court a request that she recuse. 10 days ago, he said he will do that very thing "immediately." But nothing yet. So unless Trump makes such a request, it seems reasonable to believe he will not seek Jude Chutkan's recusal. And if he does not seek it, it leaves us to wonder why.

My thought is Trump is not seeking Judge Chutkan's recusal because, notwithstanding the transcript you posted above, there are no legal grounds for her to recuse, and Trump and his lawyers know it.

The third way for her to recuse would be for her to make a serious error that Trump or the DOJ would then use as the basis to seek her recusal. For that, we have to wait for such an error to be made. No one on either side is crying foul yet, even after Chutkan limited Trump's speech and ordered that Trump's attorneys monitor and control him like a petulant adolescent if he wants to view discovery materials alone or with his lawyers.
 
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Why Trump May Not be on the 2024 Ballot in Several States

This new 126-page paper, was written by two legal scholars and conservative Federalist Society members. Their paper provides the legal foundation for any official whose job it is to determine a candidate's eligibility for public office, and who decides to use US Constitution 14th Amendment, Section Three to disqualify Trump from appearing on the 2024 ballot.

No such action has been taken yet, but this very thing will likely occur after Trump is nominated by the Republican Party and he applies for ballot access in various jurisdictions. This paper paves the way for election officials to deny ballot access when Trump applies. It does a lot of the legal work one or more officials would need to do to defend their action.

I think it is highly likely at least one Secretary of State in the US, and possibly many of them, will rise to do this when the time comes.
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"Two conservative law professors argue that Donald Trump is ineligible to serve as president again due to a section of the Constitution that prohibits anyone who has engaged in insurrection from holding office.

"William Baude of the University of Chicago and Michael Stokes Paulsen of the University of St. Thomas explain their conclusion in an article set to be published in the University of Pennsylvania Law Review. The constitutional scholars, both active in the conservative Federalist Society, studied the question for more than a year, according to The New York Times.

“'When we started out, neither of us was sure what the answer was,' Baude told the Times, adding that they engaged in the research to settle 'an important constitutional question.'

"The answer, according to Baude: 'Donald Trump cannot be president — cannot run for president, cannot become president, cannot hold office — unless two-thirds of Congress decides to grant him amnesty for his conduct on Jan. 6.'

"The provision they studied is Section Three of the 14th Amendment, which states that any person who took an oath to support the U.S. Constitution and then 'engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof,' is prohibited from holding any government office.

"The ban can be lifted only by a two-thirds vote by each House of Congress, according to the provision."
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Abstract

Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment forbids holding office by former office holders who then participate in insurrection or rebellion. Because of a range of misperceptions and mistaken assumptions, Section Three’s full legal consequences have not been appreciated or enforced. This article corrects those mistakes by setting forth the full sweep and force of Section Three.

First, Section Three remains an enforceable part of the Constitution, not limited to the Civil War, and not effectively repealed by nineteenth century amnesty legislation.

Second, Section Three is self-executing, operating as an immediate disqualification from office, without the need for additional action by Congress. It can and should be enforced by every official, state or federal, who judges qualifications.

Third, to the extent of any conflict with prior constitutional rules, Section Three repeals, supersedes, or simply satisfies them. This includes the rules against bills of attainder or expost facto laws, the Due Process Clause, and even the free speech principles of the First Amendment.

Fourth, Section Three covers a broad range of conduct against the authority of the constitutional order, including many instances of indirect participation or support as “aid or comfort.” It covers a broad range of former offices, including the Presidency. And in particular, it disqualifies former President Donald Trump, and potentially many others, because of their participation in the attempted over-throw of the 2020 presidential election. (
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