The DOJ is leaking already. They want Trump to be quiet while they slide information over to The NY Times.
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I have not commented about this before but let me do so now. There is much talk in this forum about leaks from DOJ. The problem I have with that is the blanket assumption that all leaks are from the DOJ all the time.
In many cases, the "people familiar with the matter" who are quoted in many unsourced stories are people who testified before a grand jury, or people who work for Trump, or people who investigators talked to about one thing or another. Trump himself regularly leaks items (like the Mar-a-Lago search, or his indictment dates) so he can be the one to initiate and influence the news cycle.
I have seen it personally at the state government level that leaks often come from staff people with needy egos who like to use their ability to leak to cultivate relationships with the press, and thus feel good about themselves. That's not healthy. Sadly, it's not uncommon either. There are also times where an elected official's office will intentionally leak something as a trial balloon to see how it plays in public before the official commits to it. Or an official will leak something to stir up trouble for someone else.
I'm not going to say the DOJ never leaks. I will say leaks come from numerous sources, and they are not all DOJ.
My preference is that nobody ever leaks anything ever, and no news organization publishes anything that is not sourced with a name or piece of evidence behind it. I know that is an unrealistic hope in Washington and politics in general, but it remains my preference.
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If puzzled about who is leaking, ask yourself: Qui bono? The DOJ.
These are details that were left out of the indictment.
"Anonymous sources" leak to the media all the time; this includes the online media. The media NEVER reveal their sources, otherwise their sources will dry up. The Biden DOJ has established itself as a notorious leaker, and Trump will play the same game only better.
You can entertain yourself with leaks all you want. Go ahead and make up all the stories you wish to explain the unexplainable.
Personally, I rarely waste my time on them. I am never puzzled about who is leaking because I don't care.
Being patient, I'm happy to sit back and wait for the truth to emerge, which often happens in court. Half the time, the stories based on leaks don't turn out to be accurate. Sometimes a so-called leak is nothing more than a journalist who interviewed enough people to find some fool that would say what the journalist wanted to here, so they can use that to make the point they wish to make.
I have better things to think about than leaks.
The media often reveal their sources. You see it every day when they quote a person by name, or cite a document that readers can verify.
There’s a history of leaks too. From someone that was prosecuted by him.
Bob McDonnell: Jack Smith Is The Last Person Who Should Be Handling Trump’s Case
Bob McDonnell on Life, Liberty and Levin. “This is historic. Never has a president of the United States been indicted, much less tried or convicted and he is also the leading candidate for a party. Yo
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The way it’s likely done: The DOJ will just tell someone that they know, who will then leak it to the NYTimes. See, they themselves didn’t leak it to The NY Times.
Like when Comey gave his memos to a person that he knew would leak to The NY Times. One person separated from the leak.
Like when Comey gave his memos to a person that he knew would leak to The NY Times. One person separated from the leak.
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You’re not concerned about leaks, but they can be used to shape public opinion and influence a potential jury pool. They’re done discreetly to a newspaper and made public for maximum exposure.
Point taken. You are correct. Some leakers intend to do exactly as you suggest. I was speaking more about the effect of leaks on me, which I try to keep to zero. Here on EO, you will almost never see me cite a news story that relies on unnamed sources. In my personal reading and news watching, I discount stories that do not name their sources. I'm content to be patient and wait for the verifiable truth to come out.
Regarding influencing a jury pool, I don't think a leak made with that intention will survive the jury selection process or the trial. Prospective jurors are carefully screened by attorneys for both sides to weed out any that cannot sit in objective judgement. That does not mean the system is perfect. Far from it. But it does mean that leaks do not have the power to sway a jury as some might think.
Beyond the jury selection process is the trial itself, which includes all introduced evidence, all testimony and the lawyer's opening and closing arguments. Jurors will sit for weeks and listen full-time to all the info presented. Even if a leak is heard and internalized by all jurors, that's a single item not clearly stated in court. The truth is far more likely to survive the process and overpower the leak.
You can argue the other side about what goes on in jurors minds if you wish. I've said as much as I'm going to about this. When it comes to discussing what other people may believe based on what they may have heard, iIt would be fruitless to say anything more.
Some Were Wrong About Trump
When Judge Chutkan laid down the law (so to speak) about what Trump can and cannot say about the case before her and the people associated with this case, some commentators on the cable TV news shows predicted Trump could not go 24 hours without violating the judge's rules.
He was campaigning in public today at the Iowa State Fair, and he remained compliant. Twenty four hours have now elapsed and Trump continues to be compliant. The people who said he would violate the rules in less than 24 hours were wrong.
Can Trump show the same restraint for 24 days or 24 weeks? We shall see.
When Judge Chutkan laid down the law (so to speak) about what Trump can and cannot say about the case before her and the people associated with this case, some commentators on the cable TV news shows predicted Trump could not go 24 hours without violating the judge's rules.
He was campaigning in public today at the Iowa State Fair, and he remained compliant. Twenty four hours have now elapsed and Trump continues to be compliant. The people who said he would violate the rules in less than 24 hours were wrong.
Can Trump show the same restraint for 24 days or 24 weeks? We shall see.
danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
Spot on analysis here:
Questions Answered in Court; Week of 8/6/23
Running Total
*Trump-Favorable Answers: 3
Trump-Adverse Answers: 96
Answered This Week:
Yes, Trump’s counter-defamation suit against E. Jean Carroll is without merit and is dismissed 8/7/23, Kaplan
*No, the Special Counsel may not file under seal evidence of conflicts RE attorney Woodward. 8/7/23, Cannon
Yes, the DOJ can have its requested Garcia hearing regarding Woodward conflicts. 8/7/23, Cannon
No, the protective order hearing date will not be delayed. 8/8/23, Chutkan
Yes, Trump is prohibited from making inflammatory statements about the election interference case. 8/11/23, Chutkan
*No, the protective order will not be as broad as DOJ requests. 8/11/23, Chutkan
Answered in Previous Weeks:
No, 62 lawsuits filed by Trump making various 2020 election claims are not valid. 11/20 - 1/21, Judges in 62 courts
Yes, NY AG James will sue the Trump Organization over fraud claims. 9/21/22
Yes, an independent monitor is appointed to thwart Trump's attempt to move his business legal structure out of New York jurisdiction. 11/14/22
No, Judge Cannon does not have jurisdiction to appoint a special master. Cannon's ruling is reversed. 12/1/22, 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.
No, special rules cannot be written by Judge Cannon for Trump because he is a former president. 12/1/22, 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.
Yes, Trump's lawsuit challenging the Mar-a-Lago search will be dismissed due to a lack of jurisdiction. 12/12/22, Cannon
No, the documents trial will not be postponed until after the election.
No, Trump is not immune from defamation charges because he was president.
No, the falsified records case will not be moved to federal court.
No, the falsified records case will not be dismissed.
No, the falsified records case judge will not recuse.
Yes, the Trump Organization is guilty of tax fraud.
No, executive privilege cannot be used to keep Trump aids from testifying.
No, Fani Willis will not be disqualified from working on the GA election interference case.
No, the GA Special Grand Jury report will not be thrown out.
Yes, a former president of the United States who is again a candidate for president can be indicted, arrested and arraigned.
Yes, the $5 million in damages the jury said Trump must pay Carroll is reasonable.
Yes, the other Carroll case can be amended to include Trump's recent statements and more damages can be sought.
No, the NY AG lawsuit will not be dismissed.
Yes, certain Trump attorney's can be compelled to testify because attorney client privilege does not apply (furtherance of a crime).
Yes, Trump is a rapist.
Yes, Cohen and Trump will settle Cohen's unpaid legal fees lawsuit "in a manner satisfactory to all parties," and this case will not go to trial.
Yes, the Miami grand jury will continue its investigation and produce additional indictments, even after it first indicted Trump. 8/1/23
Yes, the defamation lawsuit Trump filed against CNN is dismissed because the judge rules it is "not actionable."
*Yes, Trump is protected by presidential immunity regarding two defamatory statements he made against a PA voting machine supervisor when Trump was president. 7/31/23, Erdos
No, Trump is not protected by presidential immunity regarding one defamatory statement he made against a PA voting machine supervisor after Trump left office. 7/31/23
Yes, the GA Special Grand Jury report can be used against Trump. 7/31
No, Fani Willis will not be barred from prosecuting Trump. 7/31
Yes, Trump will be deposed under oath regarding the $500 million lawsuit he filed against Cohen. 7/31/23
Yes, Trump will be indicted on charges concerning the 2020 election. 8/3/23
Yes, the Trump deposition transcript from the Carroll trial will be given to DA Bragg. 8/3/23
No, Trump's request for a delayed response to DOJ's protective order motion will not be granted. 8/5/23
Disclaimer: This compilation is an ongoing project done on a best-efforts basis. If I miss something or get something wrong, kindly advise me and I'll correct the list. Where a question has been appealed to a higher court, the higher court's answer is shown and the lower court's answer previously shown is removed from the list. When a ruling or order is appealed, the lower court's action will remain on the list until the appeal is complete. If an appeal is made but not taken up by a higher court, the lower court ruling remains on the list. The "previous weeks" section is not complete. It is edited as my research continues.
Running Total
*Trump-Favorable Answers: 3
Trump-Adverse Answers: 96
Answered This Week:
Yes, Trump’s counter-defamation suit against E. Jean Carroll is without merit and is dismissed 8/7/23, Kaplan
*No, the Special Counsel may not file under seal evidence of conflicts RE attorney Woodward. 8/7/23, Cannon
Yes, the DOJ can have its requested Garcia hearing regarding Woodward conflicts. 8/7/23, Cannon
No, the protective order hearing date will not be delayed. 8/8/23, Chutkan
Yes, Trump is prohibited from making inflammatory statements about the election interference case. 8/11/23, Chutkan
*No, the protective order will not be as broad as DOJ requests. 8/11/23, Chutkan
Answered in Previous Weeks:
No, 62 lawsuits filed by Trump making various 2020 election claims are not valid. 11/20 - 1/21, Judges in 62 courts
Yes, NY AG James will sue the Trump Organization over fraud claims. 9/21/22
Yes, an independent monitor is appointed to thwart Trump's attempt to move his business legal structure out of New York jurisdiction. 11/14/22
No, Judge Cannon does not have jurisdiction to appoint a special master. Cannon's ruling is reversed. 12/1/22, 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.
No, special rules cannot be written by Judge Cannon for Trump because he is a former president. 12/1/22, 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.
Yes, Trump's lawsuit challenging the Mar-a-Lago search will be dismissed due to a lack of jurisdiction. 12/12/22, Cannon
No, the documents trial will not be postponed until after the election.
No, Trump is not immune from defamation charges because he was president.
No, the falsified records case will not be moved to federal court.
No, the falsified records case will not be dismissed.
No, the falsified records case judge will not recuse.
Yes, the Trump Organization is guilty of tax fraud.
No, executive privilege cannot be used to keep Trump aids from testifying.
No, Fani Willis will not be disqualified from working on the GA election interference case.
No, the GA Special Grand Jury report will not be thrown out.
Yes, a former president of the United States who is again a candidate for president can be indicted, arrested and arraigned.
Yes, the $5 million in damages the jury said Trump must pay Carroll is reasonable.
Yes, the other Carroll case can be amended to include Trump's recent statements and more damages can be sought.
No, the NY AG lawsuit will not be dismissed.
Yes, certain Trump attorney's can be compelled to testify because attorney client privilege does not apply (furtherance of a crime).
Yes, Trump is a rapist.
Yes, Cohen and Trump will settle Cohen's unpaid legal fees lawsuit "in a manner satisfactory to all parties," and this case will not go to trial.
Yes, the Miami grand jury will continue its investigation and produce additional indictments, even after it first indicted Trump. 8/1/23
Yes, the defamation lawsuit Trump filed against CNN is dismissed because the judge rules it is "not actionable."
*Yes, Trump is protected by presidential immunity regarding two defamatory statements he made against a PA voting machine supervisor when Trump was president. 7/31/23, Erdos
No, Trump is not protected by presidential immunity regarding one defamatory statement he made against a PA voting machine supervisor after Trump left office. 7/31/23
Yes, the GA Special Grand Jury report can be used against Trump. 7/31
No, Fani Willis will not be barred from prosecuting Trump. 7/31
Yes, Trump will be deposed under oath regarding the $500 million lawsuit he filed against Cohen. 7/31/23
Yes, Trump will be indicted on charges concerning the 2020 election. 8/3/23
Yes, the Trump deposition transcript from the Carroll trial will be given to DA Bragg. 8/3/23
No, Trump's request for a delayed response to DOJ's protective order motion will not be granted. 8/5/23
Disclaimer: This compilation is an ongoing project done on a best-efforts basis. If I miss something or get something wrong, kindly advise me and I'll correct the list. Where a question has been appealed to a higher court, the higher court's answer is shown and the lower court's answer previously shown is removed from the list. When a ruling or order is appealed, the lower court's action will remain on the list until the appeal is complete. If an appeal is made but not taken up by a higher court, the lower court ruling remains on the list. The "previous weeks" section is not complete. It is edited as my research continues.
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danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
I was thinking it might mean Trump is walking away from Truth Social now that he is no longer bound by a contract to post first on Truth Social, and that Truth Social is a financial failure.
I don't know that will happen. We'll have to wait and see. But the possibility certainly exists.