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coalminer

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Oh for taking money as vice president to meet with foreign non government investors to his sons shady business deals.....and now as president.

And if there were crimes committed then he should be held liable, but all the info that is floating around on the internet about this whole situation is about as reliable as Qanon. Nothing more than a made up fantasy.
 

ATeam

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It was correct. It’s just that the constitution is only as good as the will to abide by it and enforce it. And considering the Feds were conducting “oversight” on the Tennessee House and there was a lawsuit threatened, they decided to just move on.
I’ll bet you don’t have a problem with that oversight though right? But Trump’s case having Fed oversight, nope can’t have that, right?
So, are you saying the Tennessee House Republicans failed to uphold their state constitution? And what threatened lawsuit are you talking about? What lawsuit that does not yet exist is powerful enough to reduce these Republicans to a quivering crew?

Oversight is appropriate wherever jurisdiction and the duty to conduct oversight exists.
 

muttly

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So, are you saying the Tennessee House Republicans failed to uphold their state constitution? And what threatened lawsuit are you talking about? What lawsuit that does not yet exist is powerful enough to reduce these Republicans to a quivering crew?

Oversight is appropriate wherever jurisdiction and the duty to conduct oversight exists.
Yes, they failed to uphold it. It mentions successor in the constitution.
A successor is someone that comes after the current seat holder. Not supposed to be the same person. That’s not a successor then. But instead of going through a whole lawsuit to clarify something that is obvious, they just decided to let them come back.
Hopefully they’ll address this apparent ambiguity for the reading impaired about the word successor and clarify it (vote on it with their super majority)before they allow more insurrectionists back to their seats in the future.

Congress has clear oversight jurisdiction in the Trump case as listed in the previous post. Great that we agree.

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Pilgrim

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Hopefully they’ll address this apparent ambiguity for the reading impaired about the word successor and clarify it (vote on it with their super majority)before they allow more insurrectionists back to their seats in the future.
This should be at the top of their list of legislation that needs to pass while they have the opportunity and the numbers to make it happen. Otherwise, the House leadership won't be able to enforce any rules since this incident has made it clear there's no teeth in the existing rules.

Whether the threatening letter from Eric Holder and the Memphis law firm actually had an impact is a matter of speculation, but it could well be that the House leadership decided that getting into an extended legal battle would only serve to give the two anarchists more opportunity for publicity. Also, even if they had won the legal battle and kept them out of the House, the two districts - especially the one in Memphis - would've appointed/elected two replacements with exactly the same political values and attitudes as the "expelled two."

The TN Congress needs to change the rules and laws that support them so they won't be forced to tolerate similar disruptions in the future. Without order, chaos on the floor will become commonplace and they won't be able to pass any legislation that a few dissidents don't like.
 
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muttly

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This should be at the top of their list of legislation that needs to pass while they have the opportunity and the numbers to make it happen. Otherwise, the House leadership won't be able to enforce any rules since this incident has made it clear there's no teeth in the existing rules.

Whether the threatening letter from Eric Holder and the Memphis law firm actually had an impact is a matter of speculation, but it could well be that the House leadership decided that getting into an extended legal battle would only serve to give the two anarchists more opportunity for publicity. Also, even if they had won the legal battle and kept them out of the House, the two districts - especially the one in Memphis - would've appointed/elected two replacements with exactly the same political values and attitudes as the "expelled two."

The TN Congress needs to change the rules and laws that support them so they won't be forced to tolerate similar disruptions in the future. Without order, chaos on the floor will become commonplace and they won't be able to pass any legislation that a few dissidents don't like.
Agree, they need to spell out in bold letters that an expelled member is banned from being able to be seated for designated length of time, no exceptions.
 

ATeam

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The TN Congress needs to change the rules and laws that support them so they won't be forced to tolerate similar disruptions in the future. Without order, chaos on the floor will become commonplace and they won't be able to pass any legislation that a few dissidents don't like.
To change the rules, is legislative action sufficient, or do the interim-successor rules exist in the constitution, which would require a constitutional amendment to change?
 

muttly

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Dems TDS lawfare:
 
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ATeam

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Braggs is using federal money and that is how jim Jordan is going to get everything.....because that guarantees judicial oversight.
It seems likely that a court will decide whether or not Congress has oversight powers over the Manhattan DA, so we'll wait for that ruling to find out. But regarding federal funds received by the DA's office, what are they exactly? I've seen it reported that there are no federal funds sent their way. I don't know one way or the other but since you are raising the issue, can you tell us what federal funds were appropriated under what program or authority and delivered to the Manhattan DA?
 
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muttly

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It seems likely that a court will decide whether or not Congress has oversight powers over the Manhattan DA, so we'll wait for that ruling to find out. But regarding federal funds received by the DA's office, what are they exactly? I've seen it reported that there are no federal funds sent their way. I don't know one way or the other but since you are raising the issue, can you tell us what federal funds were appropriated under what program or authority and delivered to the Manhattan DA?
I heard they were forfeiture funds.
 
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ATeam

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I heard they were forfeiture funds.
Forfeiture funds come from convicted criminals, not from the federal government (and yes, that statement makes one chuckle for its irony). The funds may be forfeited under a federal law, but does that make them federal funds?
 
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