A drug kingpin? Details please...
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Alice Johnson, dont you remember when Trump pardoned her?
Are you referring to THIS Alice Johnson? A "drug kingpin" - seriously?
Alice Johnson receives full pardon from President Trump
The pardon is for Johnson's role in a nonviolent federal drug case.
All speculation is plausible in the mind of the one doing the speculating.
So what? She did serve 22 years.
Read about her, she was running a drug operation.Are you referring to THIS Alice Johnson? A "drug kingpin" - seriously?
Alice Johnson receives full pardon from President Trump
The pardon is for Johnson's role in a nonviolent federal drug case.www.foxnews.com
Should have been more.
danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
You know the Democrats are saying the documents were planted....by someone.Please make it stop.
Yep, conspiracy theorists.
Now there's news of more classified documents found in Biden's home. While its admirable that these disclosures are coming from Biden or his people, and that the documents are being voluntarily turned over to the government, even before the government knew they were not in a proper location, Biden and his people are making a mess of their communications.
At this point, the best thing they could do is simply shut up. Thy should announce they have no further comment on the matter, the DOJ or any other proper authority may search any of his properties or offices any time, and Biden and his people will cooperate fully with any and all investigations into this. Only then can the American people be reasonably assured no other classified documents are out of place, as wall as no documents subject to the Presidential Records Act.
That is not to say Biden should let Republican House of Representatives revenge committees rampage through his home. Proper searches are done by law enforcement, which is not the legislative branch. That said, I'm sure we can count on those committees to bring in everyone they can for hearings on this matter.
At this point, the best thing they could do is simply shut up. Thy should announce they have no further comment on the matter, the DOJ or any other proper authority may search any of his properties or offices any time, and Biden and his people will cooperate fully with any and all investigations into this. Only then can the American people be reasonably assured no other classified documents are out of place, as wall as no documents subject to the Presidential Records Act.
That is not to say Biden should let Republican House of Representatives revenge committees rampage through his home. Proper searches are done by law enforcement, which is not the legislative branch. That said, I'm sure we can count on those committees to bring in everyone they can for hearings on this matter.
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She was? Once again - no proof or details. If you're making the assertion you need to back it up.
No one expects anyone to be aware of everything, so it's understandable that you might have missed it. Every President's vacation home since JFK has had a SCIF installed. Any place a president routinely handles or discusses classified material has a SCIF, either long term or temporary.
The existence of the Mar-a-Lago SCIF is mentioned on the Mar-a-Lago Wikipedia page. It also made headlines after the media had one of their typical meltdowns after creating a narrative based on little information and copious amounts of assumption, as outlined in this news piece of the time.
Stories regarding security clearances and SCIFs get my attention because I still have my Top Secret / SCI security clearance,which I've had since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. I had a cousin who was the head guy in charge of the federal emergency response and recovery for terrorism and disasters. He gave them my name as someone who knows about hard drive recovery. I started with a conditional Confidential clearance and by the time the background investigation was completed I was bumped up. I've had my background renewed every 5 years since.
I was plug-n-play ready to go, and was taken to the Pentagon 3 days after 9/11 where I worked, ate, slept and went to the bathroom inside a SCIF while I did hard drive recovery. There were several of us in there, each with a different SCI. The "C" is for "compartmented." Meaning, compartments are necessarily separated from each other with respect to knowledge and organization, so that someone with access to one compartment will usually not have access to another. I knew the information that I recovered, but I had no idea what information the others recovered. We didn't compare notes.
We were essentially locked inside the SCIF for nearly a month all the while under a palpable sense of urgency that only increased day by day. Finally, on our last day, we gathered up all our belongings and were taken to the White House where we were personally thanked by President Junior Bush, we ateva great meal, and we were taken to our homes around the country by military transport.
The next day we invaded Afghanistan. Then I understood the urgency.
I have been in four different SCIFs.
Classified documents aren't stored in a SCIF. They are stored in a secure, authorized location. They are handled, read and discussed in a SCIF. Trump's office, including his desk and all of the desk's constituent drawers was a SCIF. The storeroom (the FBI called it a closet) may or may not have been right off the office. If the storeroom was JFK's bunker (that was oft reported as a basement) would be an authorized, secure location. In any case, the Secret Service provides an additional security layer will beyond that of a locked garage.
The Mar-a-Lago SCIF would have been operational whenever Trump was at the residence. It's function as a SCIF would have ended as soon as he left office (which is why he didn't scream SCIF) and would have been dismantled (white noise generators, Faraday Cage, electronic jammers, a whole host of other things) about 6 months after the end of his presidency. But some things may have been left there in case he becomes again. If he doesn't become president again, any remaining items would be removed.
What's Next for Trump in Fulton County GA?
A key date is Jan 24, when a hearing will be held to consider the special grand jury's recommendation that its findings be made public. In GA, the special grand jury does not have the power to indict, and this one has been dissolved after completing its work. Next, a regular grand jury receives and decides upon the special grand jury's recommendations; issuing indictments, or not, as it sees fit.
www.11alive.com
A key date is Jan 24, when a hearing will be held to consider the special grand jury's recommendation that its findings be made public. In GA, the special grand jury does not have the power to indict, and this one has been dissolved after completing its work. Next, a regular grand jury receives and decides upon the special grand jury's recommendations; issuing indictments, or not, as it sees fit.
Fulton County special grand jury ends its Trump investigation. What happens next?
Will the report be public? Will charges be pursued? Here's what we know
www.11alive.com
Yep. I did miss it. Thank you for the education and clarification.
Interesting info. But a former and non-operational SCIF does not get Trump out of legal trouble regarding the search and seized documents, does it?
In and of itself, no. The SCIF itself plays no role at all, since it was not functional as a SCIF, and it's why Trump didn't cite the SCIF in excusing the documents being at Mar-a-Lago. The legal questions are many, but chief among them are whether Trump believed they were his personal documents, whether they were being kept for research (which presidents are allowed to do) and whether they were declassified by him. Another factor that plays into this is the rather substantial layer of security the Secret Service provides for former presidents that a former vice president does not have (beyond 6 months after leaving office). The Secret Service layer alone is leaps and bounds ahead of the unsecured storage of a think tank and of that of a locked garage. Further, while a vice president (current and former) has unfettered access to classified material, they in no way, shape or form have authorization to remove classified documents from an authorized location to an unauthorized location, whereas presidents do.
The thing is, every President and vice vice president since Truman and Barkley has had classified documents in their possession after leaving office. The DOJ has historically patiently waited years for some former office holders to return classified material, until, for some inexplicable reason, Trump, where it became an exigent national emergency. It's laughable. Nothing should be done to Trump, or Biden or even Hillary as Sec of State for possessing classified materials after office. But people want, or maybe need, to make big, fat hairy deals about it.
How do you know that?
Yes they are and they are being worked through at the highest levels. All sides are deploying their top lawyers on this and the mater is working its way through the justice system. I see little point trying to make or break the case here on EO.
The Biden documents issue is similar to the Trump documents issue in some ways but not remotely comparable in others. I view them as totally separate cases and I think DOJ does too. One does not affect the other. I've seen the side-by-side comparisons. It irrelevant that Trump had X number of documents and Biden had Y. What's relevant is the facts of each case and how the law applies given each case's circumstances.