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Trump Gets Special Privileges Biden Does Not

News broke today that Garland appointed a special counsel (a former Trump-appointee) to investigate the Biden-held classified documents that have come to light in recent days. What's up with that? The government investigated and acted in various ways on the Trump-held classified documents for months without appointing a special counsel to investigate Trump. Trump gets a break. Biden does not. What's fair about that?
 
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Joe is supposed to be president yet his lawyers don’t want him to ask what the classified documents pertain to. Interesting…
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And you believe that? The guy who told us his lawyers didn't want him to ask about the documents is the same guy who said he was in the dark about all of Hunter's business dealings.

The same guy who was appointed to the Naval Academy the same year that he graduated from the University of Delaware, despite the Naval Academy not offering graduate degrees. The same guy who got arrested wren he went to visit Nelson Mandela. The same guy who said Obama was well spoken and smelled minty fresh.
 
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ATeam said:
Trump Gets Special Privileges Biden Does Not

News broke today that Garland appointed a special counsel (a former Trump-appointee) to investigate the Biden-held classified documents that have come to light in recent days. What's up with that? The government investigated and acted in various ways on the Trump-held classified documents for months without appointing a special counsel to investigate Trump. Trump gets a break. Biden does not. What's fair about that?
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That sounds like something that would be said on The View, frankly. The FBI didn't find what they wanted to find at Mar-a-Lago, so Garland appointed a special investigator in the hopes of digging up or manufacturing something on Trump. He isn't looking for anything on Biden, does not plan to find anything of consequence, and will do to Biden the same thing James Comey did to Hillary if he does find anything.

Hey, you asked.
 
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I’m hearing this Special Counsel Hur is compromised. Bad pick, but good pick for Biden.
Bannon and the boys are on it though.

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Considering Biden's memory problems and other extenuating circumstances, one can't help but wonder how many classified documents he brought home will never be found.
 
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Just keep in mind that whenever you read or here "inadvertently misplaced" know it's being used to indicate no ill-intent or nefarious motive on Biden's part, compared to Trump's Hitleresque evil. But "inadvertently misplaced" is literally a euphemism for "carelessly handled."
 
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Real Electors Sue Fake Electors

When Trump, Giuliani and others ran their fake elector scheme, they did so without regard for how it might affect the lives of the fake electors they recruited to participate. As the evidence emerges and cases are developed, it seems increasingly likely this scheme will be found to be a criminal scheme, the chickens are coming home to roost for all involved.

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Michigan Biden electors sue false Trump slate, seeking declaration plot was illegal

The filing adds to the potential legal troubles for the electors who signed a document that attempted to cast 16 electoral votes for Trump.
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Turtle said:
Just keep in mind that whenever you read or here "inadvertently misplaced" know it's being used to indicate no ill-intent or nefarious motive on Biden's part, compared to Trump's Hitleresque evil. But "inadvertently misplaced" is literally a euphemism for "carelessly handled."
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We can only speculate as to how many classified documents were carefully handed over to the Chinese, Ukrainians, Iranians, or how many Hunter may have taken for his nefarious purposes, or if others were just destroyed. Evidently nobody knew these Obama-era documents were missing, or even existed. "Careless" hardly begins to describe Biden's handling of classified documents. It appears he had no designated safe storage area (like Trump has at Mar-a-Lago), since there's been no mention of other classified documents being properly secured.
 
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We can only speculate as to how many classified documents were carefully handed over to the Chinese, Ukrainians, Iranians, or how many Hunter may have taken for his nefarious purposes, or if others were just destroyed. Evidently nobody knew these Obama-era documents were missing, or even existed. "Careless" hardly begins to describe Biden's handling of classified documents. It appears he had no designated safe storage area (like Trump has at Mar-a-Lago), since there's been no mention of other classified documents being properly secured.
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Yep. We can only speculate. We can speculate no documents were handed over by Biden. We can speculate a gazillion documents were. We can speculate that for every document Biden mishandled, Trump mishandled 10. We can speculate that Trump will find a corrupt judge to wave a magic wand and make him president again. "We can only speculate" means nothing.

It is nonsensical to compare Trump's resort closet with Biden's garage. Neither man was authorized to have classified documents in their personal digs and both should be held accountable for doing so.
 
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coalminer said:
And there you have it, proof that crime does pay, this fine is nothing compared to the fraud that was committed.
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In some cases, crime does pay, especially if you are a wealthy white man who owns or is closely connected to a corporation. Not in all cases. There is the Madoff case. That guy died in prison. But if it was ordinary truck-driver folks charged with 13 years of repeated and intentional tax fraud, and the case could be made, they would go to jail where they too can complain about being political prisoners.
 
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ATeam said:
It is nonsensical to compare Trump's resort closet with Biden's garage. Neither man was authorized to have classified documents in their personal digs and both should be held accountable for doing so.
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Yes, it's entirely nonsensical, because Trump's "resort closet" resides inside an official SCIF (sensitive compartmented information facility) at Mar-a-Lago, not his "personal digs." Biden has an office in his home set up as a SCIF, unfortunately not a square inch of his garage is contained within the SCIF.

Also, in no cases does a Vice President have a SCIF set up in their personal home, outside of their official residence at the Naval Observatory, and by statute the Vice President has no authority to remove classified information from a SCIF location and store it elsewhere unless the information is constantly in the possession of and safeguarded by someone with the appropriate security clearance. So there is zero chance that the documents at the Penn Center were authorized since they were taken when he was Vice President, and there's no way to know how many times there were moved and stored prior to ending up at the Penn Center, much less who had access to them. The documents found in his garage were definitely not authorized to be there, whether the date during or prior to his presidency.

A claim of "inadvertently mishandled" won't fly under the classified documents statute, regardless of intent, as anyone entrusted with a security clearance is required to securely handle such information and "mishandling classified materials" is the violation.
 
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