RLENT
Veteran Expediter
They'd be singing Billy Barr's praises to Heaven.
As it is though, he's relegated himself to the status of "Coverup General" in the dustbin of history ...
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They'd be singing Billy Barr's praises to Heaven.
As it is though, he's relegated himself to the status of "Coverup General" in the dustbin of history ...
Posting them for everyone to see isn’t SOP. Looks like someone mishandled them by do that.Because the actual documents aren't shown - only the covers - which obscure the documents - are visible.
Thanks for playing though.
BTW - you understand that taking photos to document a crime scene is a standard thing in the practice of law enforcement ... right ?
It's probably not understood.
BTW - you understand that taking photos to document a crime scene is a standard thing in the practice of law enforcement ... right ?
The magawinniees don't seem to know much about any proper procedures.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Wrong:
Photographs are often submitted in court filings, along with other documents as evidence of a crime.
That's HOW they were "posted" ... in a submission/filing to a court, as part of a case.
The Orange Moron opened the door to that by 1. making certain claims in the suit, and 2. bringing the suit in the first place.
Jenius ... with a capital "J" I tell ya !
On what legal basis do you make that determination ?
That Orange Boy's fee-fee's wuz hurted ?
Side by side cells???? They would have to put a webcam and charge people to watch it, that would be soooooo entertaining....
Police themselves for what? Executive privilege does not apply since the DOJ and the White House are part of the same executive branch. Attorney client privilege may only marginally apply to a tiny number of documents if it applies at all. Trump's attorney's office was not searched. Trump's office was. The warrant gave the FBI the right to seize boxes and their contents. If certain documents were in there that were between Trump and his attorneys, yes, attorney client privilege would apply to those. But DOJ is not going after those and privileged communications between Trump and his attorneys does not apply to the three laws named in the warrant.
The DOJ said in its filing that a set of attorney client privilege documents has been identified and segregated. I doubt they will care much about the disposition of those since they are not pertinent to the investigation they are running.
The evidence photo (which is the proper name for it) came into the public domain only after the DOJ included it in the response required by the judge. And crime scene photos are commonly and often proudly posted by law enforcement agencies after significant busts or searches are done. We've seen this for years as the police pose around large quantities of illegal drugs, cash or arms seized. In this case, papers and personal effects are shown in the photo but it's a simple publication of a crime scene photo just the same.
That' in itself is an interesting item. The home of a former president of the United States is a crime scene, and the indications point to the former president as the criminal.
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Posting a President’s personal documents on the internet isn’t SOP. Thanks for playing.Wrong:
Photographs are often submitted in court filings, along with other documents as evidence of a crime.
That's HOW they were "posted" ... in a submission/filing to a court, as part of a case.
The Orange Moron opened the door to that by 1. making certain claims in the suit, and 2. bringing the suit in the first place.
Jenius ... with a capital "J" I tell ya !
On what legal basis do you make that determination ?
That Orange Boy's fee-fee's wuz hurted ?
The garbage being spewed by the magamaniacs is mind boggling.
Do these people (and I use that term lightly) really believe the crap, or are they just trolling?
Do these people (and I use that term lightly) really believe the crap, or are they just trolling?
Interesting. I thought these seized documents that they wanted so bad and were so precious that making them public could jeopardize National Security. But now viewing these documents are just like looking at bags of cocaine. Ok.
From CNN minutes ago:
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Federal judge will rule later on Trump’s special master request after hearing concludes
The hearing on former President Donald Trump's bid for a special master to review documents seized from Mar-a-Lago has concluded.
US District Judge Aileen Cannon did not make a ruling from the bench.
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I don't want to get too far ahead of this since the ruling will come in the near future. It is interesting to note that the judge did not tell DOJ to stop work pending her ruling. Nor did she appoint a special master from the bench.
It is also interesting to note that, having yet another opportunity to do so in court, Trump made no statement or claim that the documents in question had been declassified.
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Federal judge will rule later on Trump’s special master request after hearing concludes
The hearing on former President Donald Trump's bid for a special master to review documents seized from Mar-a-Lago has concluded.
US District Judge Aileen Cannon did not make a ruling from the bench.
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I don't want to get too far ahead of this since the ruling will come in the near future. It is interesting to note that the judge did not tell DOJ to stop work pending her ruling. Nor did she appoint a special master from the bench.
It is also interesting to note that, having yet another opportunity to do so in court, Trump made no statement or claim that the documents in question had been declassified.
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danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
So much for the fbi/doj and Biden being transparent.....why not have a independent special master if not to prove your not biased or lied to a judge.....
It's bad enough that the lawyers were kept out of the search a.k.a raid but they also wanted surveillance cameras turned off.
That's not being transparent.....and the fact that they did this to trump who is quite loved by Republicans.....wonder how November is going to go....even with this raid his endorsement hold power.
It's bad enough that the lawyers were kept out of the search a.k.a raid but they also wanted surveillance cameras turned off.
That's not being transparent.....and the fact that they did this to trump who is quite loved by Republicans.....wonder how November is going to go....even with this raid his endorsement hold power.
A New Detail RE Privileged Documents
"Justice Department officials also told [Judge] Cannon that their own filter team has already done a thorough review of the material, and had set aside 64 sets of documents — comprising some 520 pages — that might be considered protected by attorney-client privilege." (Source)
Note that the FBI was fully authorized by the warrant to take these items and DOJ is fully authorized to have them. Privilege would only become an issue if DOJ wanted to use these documents to prosecute Trump. There is zero indication they want to do that. Their interest is in the classified documents and those that are the property of the United States per the Presidential Records Act, and in Trump's apparent efforts to obstruct the investigation.
"Justice Department officials also told [Judge] Cannon that their own filter team has already done a thorough review of the material, and had set aside 64 sets of documents — comprising some 520 pages — that might be considered protected by attorney-client privilege." (Source)
Note that the FBI was fully authorized by the warrant to take these items and DOJ is fully authorized to have them. Privilege would only become an issue if DOJ wanted to use these documents to prosecute Trump. There is zero indication they want to do that. Their interest is in the classified documents and those that are the property of the United States per the Presidential Records Act, and in Trump's apparent efforts to obstruct the investigation.
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Nothing requires transparency while an investigation is underway. The courts themselves have assisted DOJ by keeping a great deal of information under seal. Judge Cannon did so when she required the revised inventory list to be submitted under seal. Even if the DOJ wanted to release the updated list they could not because the court required them to submit it under seal.
You criticizing investigators for their lack of transparency is like someone criticizing a stool for not having a motor. You're looking for something that simply is not expected or required.
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Nothing New
So far, news reports are sketchy regarding today's Donald J. Trump v. The United States hearing. From what is available so far, it seems little if anything new was argued by the Trump and DOJ attorneys. What was in the briefs seems to be what was argued in court.
That means the DOJ made a number of compelling legal arguments and Trump made political arguments. Trump's case in court appears as weak as the case he made in his filings.
So far, news reports are sketchy regarding today's Donald J. Trump v. The United States hearing. From what is available so far, it seems little if anything new was argued by the Trump and DOJ attorneys. What was in the briefs seems to be what was argued in court.
That means the DOJ made a number of compelling legal arguments and Trump made political arguments. Trump's case in court appears as weak as the case he made in his filings.
Judge Orders Release of Detailed Property List
"West Palm Beach, Florida — A federal judge on Thursday ordered the release of a detailed list of the property seized during the FBI's search at former President Donald Trump's South Florida residence last month, while reserving judgment on whether to appoint an outside party to review the documents." (Source)
When asked about it in court earlier today, neither party voiced an objection to it's release. It remains to be seen how much of it, if any, will be redacted.
We'll see how this plays out once the list goes public. So far, Trump has pushed much of the investigation into public view. None of it makes him look very good. And with each new bit released, he looks worse.
It does serve one Trump purpose. It keeps him front and center in the news, giving him the ability to sew chaos and confusion, and to once again boil the blood in his base, which makes it easy to raise more money from the gullible people who keep sending it.
"West Palm Beach, Florida — A federal judge on Thursday ordered the release of a detailed list of the property seized during the FBI's search at former President Donald Trump's South Florida residence last month, while reserving judgment on whether to appoint an outside party to review the documents." (Source)
When asked about it in court earlier today, neither party voiced an objection to it's release. It remains to be seen how much of it, if any, will be redacted.
We'll see how this plays out once the list goes public. So far, Trump has pushed much of the investigation into public view. None of it makes him look very good. And with each new bit released, he looks worse.
It does serve one Trump purpose. It keeps him front and center in the news, giving him the ability to sew chaos and confusion, and to once again boil the blood in his base, which makes it easy to raise more money from the gullible people who keep sending it.
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Obviously the Trump team made more than political arguments today, and it appears that some of the Trump haters and govt attorneys are reading more into the aforementioned Nixon decision than is actually there. It's probably safe to say she's not going to drag this thing out and is making a careful, well constructed ruling knowing it's going to be appealed.
"Justice Department attorneys argued a special master was either superfluous or unwarranted when it came to Trump’s claims about executive privilege. Pointing to a 1977 case, Nixon v. GSA, a government attorney told the court that Trump couldn’t invoke the privilege because he was no longer the executive.
“I don’t know if that’s right,” Cannon said. “It seems to me like you’re potentially over-reading Nixon, and to say now that there’s absolutely no room for a former executive to raise a claim of executive privilege at least for some period of time, it’s not entirely decided in the law. So I’m not sure if it’s cut and dried as you suggest."
www.nbcnews.com
"Justice Department attorneys argued a special master was either superfluous or unwarranted when it came to Trump’s claims about executive privilege. Pointing to a 1977 case, Nixon v. GSA, a government attorney told the court that Trump couldn’t invoke the privilege because he was no longer the executive.
“I don’t know if that’s right,” Cannon said. “It seems to me like you’re potentially over-reading Nixon, and to say now that there’s absolutely no room for a former executive to raise a claim of executive privilege at least for some period of time, it’s not entirely decided in the law. So I’m not sure if it’s cut and dried as you suggest."
More detailed list of what the FBI seized from Mar-a-Lago to be made public, judge says
The judge did not immediately rule on whether to appoint a special master to review documents seized from Mar-a-Lago as lawyers for DOJ and Trump faced off in court for the first time.
www.nbcnews.com
danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
And Biden called maga Republicans enemies of democracy.....
Women have the right to choose what to do with THEIR body's just like those of us have the right to not get the covid-19 vaccine. The whole abortion thing was simply pushed down to the state level and the Democrats used it to piss women off....I do have a problem with parts of abortion law.....a child should get abortion done if its rape/incest.....period.
Women have the right to choose what to do with THEIR body's just like those of us have the right to not get the covid-19 vaccine. The whole abortion thing was simply pushed down to the state level and the Democrats used it to piss women off....I do have a problem with parts of abortion law.....a child should get abortion done if its rape/incest.....period.
I agree with you for the most part, only I think the women got pissed off on their own. It was the Supreme Court decision that pissed them off, not the Democrats. The Democrats are using this energy to organize opposition and win elections.
danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
It didn't take a way the abortion it just pushed it down to the state level . But there really needs to be a good reason to not abort a child within a child.....and the sob that did it should have his private parts removed permanently....and given a lifetime supply of ky jelly while in jail.