The Trump Card...

ATeam

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I wonder how that is going to work when he goes to jail.....
It's an entertaining question. Having worked in a prison as a staff person (not a corrections officer), I can tell you they are not happy, colorful, scenic, uplifting places. On this topic, my first thoughts go to the Secret Service agents who may be forced to hang out in that environment all day to keep the former president safe. I doubt that any of them would consider that good duty. I would guess when they decided they were willing to take a bullet to protect the president of the United States, that would not devolve into hanging out in prison to protect a convicted and imprisoned felon.
 
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muttly

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Interesting. And it will be interesting to see who shows up in court today to argue Trump's case.

I have not yet had time to carefully read the DOJ and Trump filings in this case but I have skimmed them. Having done that, it seems to me that those who are laughing at or criticizing the low quality of the Trump filings have a point. The DOJ filings are well organized and they make strong legal points backed by citations. The Trump documents read more like press releases and bad ones at that. They ramble from one topic to another with few legal citations and few arguments a competent judge would accept.

I've held off criticizing the judge who will preside over today's hearing. I prefer to give her the benefit of the doubt. But if she does anything other than refer this matter to the proper court, my opinion of her will plunge and I would expect her to be harshly overruled on appeal.

Trump's new attorney, Chris Kise, is said to be competent and highly respected among the people who know him in Florida. Based on the filings so far, it seems Trump is in desperate of such an attorney. We'll see how long this one lasts.

Trump has had good attorneys before but all of them seem to drift away. One of his attorney's went to jail (Cohen). Two have been sanctioned (Giuliani, Powell). Two more are likely to become witnesses against Trump or targets of investigations (Bobb, Corcoran).

Some say Trump has trouble with attorney's because he does not pay them. Others say it is because Trump does not listen to them. We have no way to know if either of those are true. But we do know that Trump turns over attorneys at a rapid rate. And based on his filings in Trump v. The United States, the attorney's he has relied upon there are not serving him well.

One final point. If you have committed criminal acts and the prosecutors can prove it, it does not matter how good your attorney is. You're going to be convicted.
You held off criticizing her, yet you posted comments of others doing it, but ok.
 

ATeam

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She still can’t get over that Trump fired her.
Her twitter feed from the former U.S. attorney and now Uof M law school professor (poor students)is filled with anti Trump venom.
Whether she got over that or not, the point she makes remains valid.
 
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ATeam

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That is because they are in DC. 95- 5 Democrat area with a lot of Obama judges ready to rubber stamp whatever is put in front of them if it is against Trump.
Being tried in Texas did not do Alex Jones much good, did it?
 
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You held off criticizing her, yet you posted comments of others doing it, but ok.
Fair point. I had an open mind at first. After reading that item, my view swayed a bit to one side. I'm still open minded about this judge acting properly in today's hearing and hopeful she does.
 
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Pilgrim

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Legal analyst Glenn Kirschner makes a good point regarding Judge Cannon:

In 30 years of prosecuting cases, I never saw a judge make up her mind on an issue BEFORE the other party had an opportunity to respond to the request. This is dead wrong.
Unless I missed something, she hasn't made a ruling yet and the govt presented their case yesterday. Arguments continue today, so we all wait to see how this plays out.
 

ATeam

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Unless I missed something, she hasn't made a ruling yet and the govt presented their case yesterday. Arguments continue today, so we all wait to see how this plays out.
True, but it is highly unusual for a judge to signal a bias before even hearing from the other side.
 
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It's an entertaining question. Having worked in a prison as a staff person (not a corrections officer), I can tell you they are not happy, colorful, scenic, uplifting places. On this topic, my first thoughts go to the Secret Service agents who may be forced to hang out in that environment all day to keep the former president safe. I doubt that any of them would consider that good duty. I would guess when they decided they were willing to take a bullet to protect the president of the United States, that would not devolve into hanging out in prison to protect a convicted and imprisoned felon.
Not that he would be put in a normal prison anyway, maybe we will get lucky and they send him to Guantamamo bay in Cuba???? Makes sense as that is where they put the terrorists.....
 

muttly

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Upon further review, if anything, she an exhibiting a bias for the constitution, which is a good thing.
 

Pilgrim

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True, but it is highly unusual for a judge to signal a bias before even hearing from the other side.
This is a highly unusual case. Just speculation, but it could be that she's read the unrelated affidavit and is telling this particular FBI/DOJ that they better have a dam good reason to not want a neutral party to review what they've been doing. The idea that they should be allowed to police themselves during this process is laughable.
 
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How is the FBI posting the picture of documents scattered on the floor for the world to see not a violation of the Espionage Act?
 
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This is a highly unusual case. Just speculation, but it could be that she's read the unrelated affidavit and is telling this particular FBI/DOJ that they better have a dam good reason to not want a neutral party to review what they've been doing. The idea that they should be allowed to police themselves during this process is laughable.
Just think what the blue anons would be saying if this was AG Barr doing this. Different tune.
 
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RLENT

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How is the FBI posting the picture of documents scattered on the floor for the world to see not a violation of the Espionage Act?

Because the actual documents aren't shown - only the covers - which obscure the documents - are visible.

Thanks for playing though.

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BTW - you understand that taking photos to document a crime scene is a standard thing in the practice of law enforcement ... right ?
 
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