The Trump Card...

ATeam

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While We Wait ...

Yesterday's news was that Judge Cannon ordered the release of a revised list of items seized in the Mar-a-Lago search, and that she will make a ruling on Trump's special master request "in due course."

As we wait for those, I find myself zooming out a bit to view the bigger picture. While it's easy to focus on a particular day in a particular courtroom, the big picture is astounding. A former president of the United States is the subject of not one, not two, but three separate criminal investigations and the three separate grand juries associated with them. One of those led to a warrant being obtained and Trump's home being searched.

Trump's strategy with these seems to be the same as he has used in every other legal difficulty he finds himself in. Make lots of noise. Viciously attack the prosecutors and critics. Spread vast amounts of false information. Delay everything possible for as long as possible. Use the complexities of the legal system against itself to twist the courts into knots. Rinse and repeat with every new development.

However, there are differences now. It's not civil attorneys and individual litigants Trump faces. It's high-level and highly skilled criminal prosecutors who are not easily intimidated and who are not at all intimidated by any additional legal expense Trump typically would try to impose on his opponents.

Also, while his delaying tactics can have an effect, Trump's situation gets increasingly worse as time passes and the criminal investigations develop. The end game here is not a civil settlement. It's being convicted of crimes and possibly sent to prison.

While it's clear Trump is playing his usual game, I wonder if he understands that he is in a different arena where different rules and realities apply.
 
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While We Wait ...

Yesterday's news was that Judge Cannon ordered the release of a revised list of items seized in the Mar-a-Lago search, and that she will make a ruling on Trump's special master request "in due course."

As we wait for those, I find myself zooming out a bit to view the bigger picture. While it's easy to focus on a particular day in a particular courtroom, the big picture is astounding. A former president of the United States is the subject of not one, not two, but three separate criminal investigations and the three separate grand juries associated with them. One of those led to a warrant being obtained and Trump's home being searched.

Trump's strategy with these seems to be the same as he has used in every other legal difficulty he finds himself in. Make lots of noise. Viciously attack the prosecutors and critics. Spread vast amounts of false information. Delay everything possible for as long as possible. Use the complexities of the legal system against itself to twist the courts into knots. Rinse and repeat with every new development.

However, there are differences now. It's not civil attorneys and individual litigants Trump faces. It's high-level and highly skilled criminal prosecutors who are not easily intimidated and who are not at all intimidated by any additional legal expense Trump typically would try to impose on his opponents.

Also, while his delaying tactics can have an effect, Trump's situation gets increasingly worse as time passes and the criminal investigations develop. The end game here is not a civil settlement. It's being convicted of crimes and possibly sent to prison.

While it's clear Trump is playing his usual game, I wonder if he understands that he is in a different arena where different rules and realities apply.
Yes, too bad there are complexities in our legal system that safeguard citizens of overreach…
 

ATeam

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New York Post Turns on Trump

The Post editorial cites the Mar-a-Lago scandal and Trump's ego as reasons for Republicans to move on from Trump. Excerpts:

"Yes, Trump did much good in his four years: Notice how Democrats have opted not to repeal his tax cuts. But he lost in 2020 because too many Americans — especially moderates — had gotten sick of his self-indulgent behavior. Since then, his egomania has only grown." ...

"Those GOPers know Trump’s already an albatross: His “stolen election” derangement in late 2020 is why Dems control the Senate now, and his endorsements in this year’s primaries have helped saddle Republicans with enough weak Senate candidates this year that retaking the chamber seems increasingly out of reach.

"Plus, for all the tens of millions Trump has raised since leaving the White House, he hasn’t yet spent any of it even to help the candidates he’s endorsed."



 
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Turtle

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It makes no difference to DOJ if Trump becomes an official candidate for president or not.
Really? Because it sure does seem like it makes a big difference to them. It appears they want to damage him, including indicating him, to prevent him from running again.
That became instantly clear when the decision was made to take the unprecedented step of obtaining a warrant and searching his house.
Precisely. Otherwise they wouldn't have had to raid his home for documents in a place where he often conducted normal business as the President, and then take the highly classified, super sekrit documents, lay them on the floor, and take pictures of the highly classified, super sekrit documents, and then leak the pictures of the highly classified, super sekrit documents to the press. Hh
 

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Closer and Closer

Regarding Trump's passports found in his desk drawer with classified documents, note this:

“'In most searches you look for identity documents to tie a suspect to the evidence you’re looking for — photographs, IDs, utility bills. If you find the contraband in the same room as the identity documents, there’s a fair inference that person had dominion and control over the documents,' said McQuade, a professor at the University of Michigan Law School." (Source)
It's not really a good point in the context of Trump. The documents were found where Trump routinely conducted the business of the presidency. You don't even need identity documents to infer he had dominion and control over the documents. He had dominion and control over the rooms and everything in them. You don't need identity documents to tie him to that.
 

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Legal analyst Glenn Kirschner makes a good point regarding Judge Cannon:

In 30 years of prosecuting cases, I never saw a judge make up her mind on an issue BEFORE the other party had an opportunity to respond to the request. This is dead wrong.
That's not a good point at all. He exluded all male judges.
 

ATeam

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Really? Because it sure does seem like it makes a big difference to them. It appears they want to damage him, including indicating him, to prevent him from running again.
Indicting Trump would in no way discourage him from running again. Trump has never once (at least never once that I know of) talked about not running. I think he was committed 100% to running long before he left the White House.
 
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danthewolf00

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Indicting Trump would in no way discourage him from running again. Trump has never once (at least never once that I know of) talked about not running. I think he was committed 100% to running long before he left the White House.
And he still scares the Democrat leadership.......2 years out of office.
 

ATeam

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It's probably safe to say she's not going to drag this thing out and is making a careful, well constructed ruling knowing it's going to be appealed.
I think you're right, Pilgrim. We'll not likely have to wait long, like weeks long, to see Judge Cannon's ruling. And the fact that she did not rule from the bench and has not yet issued a written ruling (as of mid-afternoon Friday) suggests she is indeed giving the matter careful consideration.

Last night, some TV commentators correctly said only a tiny few judges have experience in cases like this. Most any judge who found themselves with a case like this would want to study the law before making a ruling.

As you said, the high probability of an appeal incentivizes the judge to well-construct her ruling. It's also true that this is a case for the ages that will be studied for many years by historians and law students. I suspect the judge is conscious of that as well.

In the meantime, the judge put no constraints on the DOJ investigation and that agency remains free to continue its work.
 
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RLENT

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Posting a President’s personal documents on the internet isn’t SOP. Thanks for playing.

No, sorry ... despite what the radicalized MAGA Legal Beagles with their degrees from Trump University tell you:

Court filings in criminal cases often include a variety of items, including personal documents.

Those filings are often done electronically (something some of the moronic lawyers for TFG should know but apparently don't) over the "internet".

Those filings are in many cases often available publicly ... because, you know: transparency.

It's all SOP.

I would provide a thank-you for playing, but to say that any playing actually occurred would really be a stretch.

So I'll just say: Thanks for yet another # FAIL ...

:tearsofjoy:
 
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