Occupy Wall Street?

[greg334]

You know Cheri, I understand what you are getting at and all that but in your support can you name one product or company or industry that has to be large to make a competitive product for the consumer?

Another way to put this, is there any reason why we have to have mega-companies at all?

 

[tbubster]

Well i guess that those that want to continue to whine about not having while others have will always e whining and thats what you get when they depend on others to "carry" them....I simply don't care who makes what other then me..and i have done just fine income wise for most of my adult life....chances are i have lost money in business investments then most of those whating to "level the field have made"...of well thats the way it goes...dust youself off and find another way to make it happen...or demand that the gov and big corps bail you out...

Personally id love to see just half of these "greed nasty corporations close their door for good and move every single job out of the country and see just what these people will demand then...more from the gov would be my guess....

If those in NYC just stood back and looked at the jobs that those banks and investment firms and big corps that are based there have borught to just that city, just maybe they would get a clue....but the chance of that are slim since they want what they want for FREE...i seen a link last night, the guy felt everyone is entitled to a "free education" with no limit as to how far it should be paid for by others...if one wants to be a Dr., no problem all of the education should be paid for by others...

And as for Mr. Jeffersons profits off of "others" labor....so what? Think how much more the greed corporations could make if slavery was still legal
Oh and yes the system in alot of ways is "rigged" so that people can make profits at the cost of others...I figured that out long ago...the key is to use it to your advantage at whatever level you can...figure out where you can manipulate the system to best work for you and go for it....it is legal ....
But some would rather whine then figure it out...its easier to have someone else hold your hand and take care of you

No one that i know of is saying that there is no corruption in business and our governement, but if anyone thinks this "Occupy___ (fill in the blank) bs and lean towards socialism is going to change anything...lol yea well...I'll follow suit and i have a great new invention to sell you at a bargain price...LOL...so, yea while as Turtle stated (to parphase), we all are little sheep going along within their system, the key is to step out of line, make the system work for you, yea, you have to work within the frame work they have for the most part, but even those that have the control applaud those that set out and make it on their own, it might not be the the degree of the "Big Boys", but there certainly are those of us that do quite well for our selves, just like anyone who whats to risk can....

Oh and how long do you really think that these "occupy whatever city or place" people would be around without the UNIONS, Move on .Org, George soros , Acorn, Bee & Jerrys, and other left leaning groups and even the DNC barry and nasty nancy backing them with bodies, food and money, idealogy and even verbal support???

Personally i am waiting for the violence to start...and it will..

The PJ Tatler » Occupy L.A. Speaker: Violence will be Necessary to Achieve Our Goals

Please please please go there....

It may just start in the morning as police move to evict all the protesters from the park for cleaning at the park owners request.They (park owners) have also handed out copys of the park rules and what is and is not allowed in the park.I have a feeling that after the clean up it will not be allowed to be so cozy for them.The protesters seem to be against this and are telling people to prepare to be arrested.Their web site calls for protesters to gather for a "mass turn-out" early Friday morning.I think I am glad I will be no where near NY CITY in the morning.

Now no matter where you get your info we have all seen the pics of the trash piled up and how dirty the park is getting.Well here is what one protester has to say about the park and the clean up.

"This is the cleanest protest I've ever witnessed," said Emilio Montilla, 29, a laid-off teacher's assistant. "We take care of ourselves. We're self-sufficient."

Yep looks real clean to me.

 

[cheri1122]

You know Cheri, I understand what you are getting at and all that but in your support can you name one product or company or industry that has to be large to make a competitive product for the consumer?

Another way to put this, is there any reason why we have to have mega-companies at all?

Not sure I understand what you're getting at, but there is no reason that I know of to have mega companies, and one good reason not to: monopoly.

PS The photos above show a very clean protest - cluttered with possessions, but I see not one scrap of trash. Every item pictured will leave with the owner - pretty impressive, IMO.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Yep..looks clean to me too....They had their little protest..time to move them out...they are on private property.

The protesters feared that Mr. Bloomberg’s announcement that the park would be cleaned was a prelude to their being banned permanently. An appeal quickly went out on Facebook and other sites calling for brooms, mops and various cleaning supplies as well as volunteers willing to donate elbow grease. After cleaning the place themselves, the protesters planned to form a human chain around the park to try to keep police officers from entering. Supporters had been urged to go to the park at 6 a.m. Friday “to defend the occupation from eviction.”

 

[skyraider]

Just leave them alone and they will go home as soon as the winter rains, snow, and the temp drops. They are having a good time and can say they were a part of something, beats sitting at the J in Laredo and bored to death. Maybe these kids should start protesting crappy truck stops with bad service, its a thought, but that wont happen.

 

[jaminjim]

I keep hearing people mention the word 'greed'. What is wrong with greed? If you come by your 'stuff' legally, why would it be any of your business?

 

[witness23]

I keep hearing people mention the word 'greed'. What is wrong with greed? If you come by your 'stuff' legally, why would it be any of your business?

Exactly!!!!!

 

[clcooper]

Oh and yes the system in alot of ways is "rigged" so that people can make profits at the cost of others...I figured that out long ago...the key is to use it to your advantage at whatever level you can...figure out where you can manipulate the system to best work for you and go for it....it is legal ....
But some would rather whine then figure it out...its easier to have someone else hold your hand and take care of you....

sounds like what the lifers on welfare say too .

 

[tbubster]

For anyone like myself that dont feel these protesters repersent them you should do a search of

WE are the 53%

Warning to those that think the so called 99% are a good thing you will not like what you see and read.

Conservatives Launch Counter Wall Street Protest Movement - Fox News Video - Fox News

'We Are the 53 Percent' Claims Middle Ground Between Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street, Tells Protesters to 'Suck It Up' - Los Angeles News - The Informer

'We Are the 53 Percent': Standing Up for Those Who Don't 'Whine' - National News - ABC News Radio

 

[Tennesseahawk]

For anyone like myself that dont feel these protesters repersent them you should do a search of

WE are the 53%

Warning to those that think the so called 99% are a good thing you will not like what you see and read.

Conservatives Launch Counter Wall Street Protest Movement - Fox News Video - Fox News

'We Are the 53 Percent' Claims Middle Ground Between Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street, Tells Protesters to 'Suck It Up' - Los Angeles News - The Informer

'We Are the 53 Percent': Standing Up for Those Who Don't*'Whine' - National News - ABC News Radio

Sounds to me like the "We are the 53 percent" are also "We are the complacent". Telling people to suck it up is like saying "Just take your medicine. It's good for you. Trust me."

 

[greg334]

Cheri,
the point is that we can get along without those companies that are using the excuse that they have to be large to be innovative and bring the consumer what they want. There is not one industry that has to have to be so large to make a profit for their stock holders or be beneficial to the country.

With the a large amount of employment coming from the smaller or medium size companies, those large ones like say GM or Exxon or BoA are not practicing capitalism and benefit from a government who sees the large business as the only one that matters.

 

[dieseldiva]

Back to the actual OWS.....this guy thinks they need a "Kent State moment"......how ridiculous...and dangerous.

 

[Pilgrim]

Looks like the Occupy Wall St bunch is still in Zuccotti Park for now, apparently intending to continue the party through the weekend.

"City officials said early this morning they will postpone a cleanup of Zuccotti Park after earlier threatening to evict Occupy Wall Street protesters who have been encamped here.
...The city was informed “late last night.”
Occupy Wall Street had vowed yesterday to stay in the park and try to prevent the cleaning crews from entering... In a statement on Wednesday, Deputy Mayor Cas Hollowaysaid the protest, “created unsanitary conditions and considerable wear and tear on the park.” He explained that Brookfield Properties, the real estate company that owns the park, asked for police assistance to empty the park in order for it to be cleaned...
While the movement appears to be united in its desire to stay in the park, Occupy Wall Street remains leaderless without an organized message or list of demands."

Eviction of Occupy Wall Street From NYC Park Postponed - Yahoo! News

Leading up to this was the letter from the Park's owners asking for help from the NYC Police - here's an excerpt:
(emphasis mine)
"...After weeks of occupation, conditions at the Park have deteriorated to unsanitary and unsafe levels. The Park has no toilets and while the existing trash receptacles have always been more than adequate to accommodate normal waste in the Park, those receptacles are no longer even close to sufficient and the resulting trash accumulation is attracting rodents.
Additionally, we have received hundreds of phone calls and e-mails from concerned citizens and office workers in the neighborhood. Complaints range from outrage over numerous laws being broken including but not limited to lewdness, groping, drinking and drug use, to the lack of safe access to and usage of the Park, to ongoing noise at all hours, to unsanitary conditions and to offensive odors. We have received complaints of harassment, one woman stating that she was verbally abused in front of her 5-year-old child and complaining that she had a package stolen from her as she tried to cross the Park..."

http://publicintelligence.net/zuccotti-park-owners-letter-to-police-commissioner-raymond-kelly-on-occupy-wall-street/

It will be interesting to see how much the cash-strapped city of New York will ante up for the cleanup of this privately owned park, considering that NYC public officials are responsible for pressuring the owners to let the protesters stay in spite of the damage they inflict. How ironic that the place they have chosen to invade and occupy wouldn't be there if not for one of the institutions that they vilify during their protests.

 

[Brisco]

My Mother, Sister, and Niece spent a week in New York a couple a weeks ago and stayed in a hotel close to that park. They passed by it a couple of times during their sight-seeing ventures. Said it was ridiculous....smelled, trash piling up, people sitting and laying around on piles of garbage, they were loud and unruly, etc. Basically reminded them of a "Hobo Camp" you see on TV or in Movies and such.

On top of that, there were "News Vans" parked all over the place too. If the News Crews would leave, I bet the degenerates protesting out there would leave too.

Glad to see the NYPD and New York finally stepping in to clean that place. Want a Kent State moment?? Line up 40 Fire Trucks all around that park and go to town with the fire hoses. I'd have no problem with it.......

 

[chefdennis]

Brisco wrote:

My Mother, Sister, and Niece spent a week in New York a couple a weeks ago and stayed in a hotel close to that park. They passed by it a couple of times during their sight-seeing ventures. Said it was ridiculous....smelled, trash piling up, people sitting and laying around on piles of garbage, they were loud and unruly, etc. Basically reminded them of a "Hobo Camp" you see on TV or in Movies and such.

Hey your mom, sister and niece have to be wrong...i mean those decent people there will take all fo the trash and garbage with them when they leave...

Oh and bloomberg and the owner of the park and NYPD have backed off...the decent people that are there are still there...

You want to see them leave THAT park, let it be known that barry has opened booths in CENTRAL PARK, and he is also opening "his stash" (as the welfare queen in detroit called it a year or so ago) and is giving out free money...lol...they will beat a path to the CITY owned park...then see how long bloomberg is ok with them taking over a PUBLIC park instead of one that is "privatily owned"....

 

[RLENT]

I keep hearing people mention the word 'greed'. What is wrong with greed?

.... apart from the fact that's it's one of the Seven Deadly's ?

Wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and glutton

If you come by your 'stuff' legally, why would it be any of your business?

Just because it is (technically) "legal" ..... does not mean it is moral ..... or ethical ......

If I and my fellow citizens pass a law that makes it "legal" to just take jaminjim's "stuff", is that then moral or ethical ?

How about if we pass laws to our advantage that makes it easier from us to compete with jaminjim, and makes it harder or more difficult .... or even impossible ..... for jim to compete with us at all ?

How about if I and small group of my friends lobby and pass laws that seeks to do the above, not just to jaminjim ... but to the bulk of society at large ?

 

[witness23]

Bravo sir, bravo!

 

[RLENT]

Anyone have any other suggestions that would add some enlightenment?

Have a look at the 2003 documentary written by Joel Bakan, and directed by Mark Achbar and Jennifer Abbott:

THE CORPORATION

It examines corporations, their history, and their conduct from the point of view of "What is their pathology (sickness) ?" - which may be appropriate, given the fact that corporations have largely been given the same legal status as individual persons (something, the more I think about it, seems utterly insane)

If one can get past the fact that there are some people in it that one may generally disagree with politically (certainly the case for me) it raises some interesting questions.

While there are many people I disagree with and think are wrong on a variety of matters, that doesn't mean that they are not capable of making of making accurate observations at times - afterall, are they not human, just like myself ?

It is a 23 part series, with a total run time of around 1 1/2 hours IIRC. While I think I may have caught bits of it here and there over the years, I had never seen the whole thing. I'm about halfway through it now.

 

[cheri1122]

I keep hearing people mention the word 'greed'. What is wrong with greed?

Greed is the love of money, which we all know is the root of all evil, right? Because it's an aberrant desire [not talking normal ambition and acquisitiveness, but excessive: enough is not enough, need more, more , more] and not socially acceptable, therefore is generally hidden & furtive. The temptation to cross the line [beyond misleading to outright lying & other illegal behaviors] is greatly increased by the compulsion, which causes great harm to society in general, if not specific individuals. Who may or may not be able to prove, or even be aware of the role played by greed when they are cheated, as by a stockbroker or bank official...
Like adultery, it isn't illegal, but it is wrong nonetheless.

If you come by your 'stuff' legally, why would it be any of your business?

Laws change, and often the change is spurred by those who made it their business to point out the wrong involved. IE: Abolitionists, crusaders for a woman's right to vote, civil rights workers...

 

[cheri1122]

Cheri,
the point is that we can get along without those companies that are using the excuse that they have to be large to be innovative and bring the consumer what they want. There is not one industry that has to have to be so large to make a profit for their stock holders or be beneficial to the country.

With the a large amount of employment coming from the smaller or medium size companies, those large ones like say GM or Exxon or BoA are not practicing capitalism and benefit from a government who sees the large business as the only one that matters.

Agreed. When the government believes it has to bail out a corporation whose mismanagement threatens the loss of too many jobs for society to withstand ['too big to fail'] that's a clear indication that said corporation should be considered 'too big to survive' as well.