No more prayer at High School football games
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IF if guts the power of the government, IT'S A WIN!
Unless it's a woman's right to decide if and/or when she will have children. Conservatives don't believe in allowing that, but they are far from simply declining to participate. So far in fact, that Planned Parenthood has been forced by conservative sponsored legislation to close locations everywhere - there's just 1 left in the state of Mississippi now.
We only wish they could just not participate, or even limit themselves to making a big to do about it & yelling for laws to ban it, instead of what they've actually done: bypass the opinions of the people, and use state legislators to impose their beliefs on everyone else.
Hypocritical, much?
If prayer is allowed in school, it cannot be limited to one 'flavor', but must be allowed by all. Everyone ok with Muslim prayers before the games?
The majority of citizens disagree, believing well and properly educated children represent the best possible future for themselves, and society.
The average parent is ill equipped to produce that result by educating their children themselves.
The result of permitting [much less requiring] every parent to educate their own children would be a nightmare of ignorance competing with genuine knowledge, and the destruction of life as we know it. Because there's a helluva lot more ignorance out there.
Brilliant plan - if you want to end civilized society.
That's my religion... no religion ...you can have your denominations.. mine is simple...none
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ASJ, you certainly have the right to no religion if that is your desire. You do NOT have the right to force everybody else, by law, to have no religion. Rights are for everybody--- not just you.
If you read the First Amendment carefully, you will not find "freedom from religion" listed anywhere there. It's not in the Federalist Papers either. Actually, the First Amendment states that the government shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or-- and this is where you're having a problem-- prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Now, of course that gives you freedom to be a total and complete Atheist. It does NOT give you the right to force Atheism on anybody else, any more than I can force, BY LAW, everybody else to become members of the Assemblies of God (my church of choice) or that a Roman Catholic can force everybody-- BY LAW-- to become Catholic and so on.
Now, I will admit that some of my Christian brethren have had trouble with the concept, not realizing that the First Amendment doesn't say that only Christians have rights-- it says no such thing. So, Muslims can freely express their religion, Jews can express theirs, Hindus can express theirs and so on. You, ASJ, are free to express Atheism until the cows come home. Have at it if that's what turns you on. What NONE OF US CAN DO is force our religious beliefs or lack thereof on everybody else BY LAW. I can't force you to join my prayer circle. You can't stop me from having a prayer circle. Got it?
If you read the First Amendment carefully, you will not find "freedom from religion" listed anywhere there. It's not in the Federalist Papers either. Actually, the First Amendment states that the government shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or-- and this is where you're having a problem-- prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Now, of course that gives you freedom to be a total and complete Atheist. It does NOT give you the right to force Atheism on anybody else, any more than I can force, BY LAW, everybody else to become members of the Assemblies of God (my church of choice) or that a Roman Catholic can force everybody-- BY LAW-- to become Catholic and so on.
Now, I will admit that some of my Christian brethren have had trouble with the concept, not realizing that the First Amendment doesn't say that only Christians have rights-- it says no such thing. So, Muslims can freely express their religion, Jews can express theirs, Hindus can express theirs and so on. You, ASJ, are free to express Atheism until the cows come home. Have at it if that's what turns you on. What NONE OF US CAN DO is force our religious beliefs or lack thereof on everybody else BY LAW. I can't force you to join my prayer circle. You can't stop me from having a prayer circle. Got it?
WanderngFool
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If prayer is allowed in school, it cannot be limited to one 'flavor', but must be allowed by all. Everyone ok with Muslim prayers before the games?
Christians have no problem with prayer before the games as long as it's a Christian prayer. If Buddhist or Muslim seems a little far fetched, substitute one of the less popular religions that are common in the US. Same diff.
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That is my point..if you have prayer in public school..YOU are pushing YOUR religion on ME...I really Dont have a problem with religion... its when its is pushed on me.( organized religion is real good at that)..WHAT is wrong with having a NEUTRAL zone for religion = public schools.. they are funded by all sorts of different people with all sorts of different religious views...so who's prayer gets said at the school..yours..the Muslims..Scientologist .
ALSO why do religions feel they are above the law ..and have prayers in public schools anyway ...the law is the law. Got it??
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Why are you upset that I advocate following the law?? You and your kids can be as religious as you want..and still belong to a public school...millions and millions of people do it...just follow the law like the rest of us have to.
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Atheists are very good about pushing their ways on people. They jail those who wish to believe, murder them by the millions, round them up into camps. It was done by atheists all last century, and it is still being done today. They are not concerned WHICH religion they try to crush in the mean time, just as long as they are crushing one.
Really. Really...this whole argument is over religion having there say in a public forum ..to people who may not open to it...just following the law our forefathers set forth..
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Our country was founded on the idea that ALL religions are to be allowed to be practiced freely, ever since that day those freedoms are slowly, but surly, being eroded. You will win in the end, the anti-freedom moving is always pushing, sometimes with arms, to force their will on everyone. Don't come crying to me when it is some freedom that YOU hold dear, that is taken from you.
Why not eliminate public schools? THEN there is NO problem. I know why, it takes away the governments power to indoctrinate. It would allow parents to teach their children in what ever way they see fit, which the government, the anti-freedom movements, FEAR. THAT is why the publice indoctrination centers will continue to be FORCED on EVERYONE!
Why is it that you have NO problem using force to make sure that I adhere to your beliefs? I would think that you would much prefer doing away with public schools so everyone could be free to teach and learn each according to their own beliefs.
Did you ever actually READ the First Amendment? You know of course that laws that aren't Constitutional only last until they're challenged, and your desired laws that force religion out of the public arena are unconstitutional. You require us to check our beliefs at the door so that your virgin ears may never hear about any gods at all-- and the First Amendment doesn't allow you to make Atheism the State Religion, so I reckon there's a problem.
Go back read post #18.. it has already been challenged ..who is pushing who's views here... my views my stance is actually silence..
See this is where I have the problem..you and your religion gets upset because you can't preach and pray to others who may not want to hear it.
HOW can you get upset over wanting our children having a religious free area to learn ..if you Dont like that...take your children..join a religious school ..NOBODY is stopping you...NOBODY..
Also...when was the last time you seen an Atheist on TV BEGGING/ SWINDLING people out of there money in the name of there religion??
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