Ft. Hood Massacre: 12 Dead, 31 Wounded

[Turtle]

Turtle, i am not going to tear your post apart piece by piece,...

Well of course you're not. It's because you can't defend your statements on a point-by-point basis with anything other than knee-jerk reactionary emotionalism.

...but ill simply point out that what he did was an act of terrorist, that makes him a terrorist..

Please define an "act of terrorist", or rather, an "act of terrorism". The term is, after all, ultimately a definition in the eye of the beholder. So let's here your take on terrorism, what defines the act.

There are probably more than 100 definitions of terrorism around the world, with the only generally agreed upon definition common to nearly all of them is that terrorism involves violence, and the threat of violence. But that's awfully broad when used alone and not part of the full definitions. If you aren't careful, it becomes very easy to define terrorism in such a way that it perfectly describes war, coercive diplomacy, a domestic spat, or a bar fight, not to mention a stone cold crazy opening fire on an Amish schoolhouse, or a disgruntled Postal worker going Postal.

Most modern definition of terrorism, however, involve these acts with the goal of a political purpose. US Law Code Title 22 Ch 38 defines the term “terrorism” to mean "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents." {emphasis mine}


The US Criminal Code, 18 U.S.C. §2331, defines terrorism as "…activities that involve violent… or life-threatening acts… that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State and… appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping…." {emphasis mine}

your willingness to look for reasons as to why he did it shows that you are willing to let him have reasons beyond the fact that he did it...

Correct. I'm willing to let him have all the reasons in the world. I'd like to know why he did it. The funny thing is, you seem to be dismissing me, or attempting to lecture me for allowing him to have reasons beyond the fact that he did it, yet you yourself have locked on to a reason as to why he did it. That's pretty funny. I do love good irony, and good hypocrisy.

and that is in turn making it look like he was a victim because of those reason...doesn't wash with me..

Again, you couldn't be more wrong. Allowing for a reason does not excuse the act. Using your logic, him following the teachings of radical Islam should make him a victim. I know that's not what you're intending, but it's precisely where your argument must lead.

i don't give a da*mn why he did it, let the families of his victims kill the POS and save the money the it will cost to send him to trial....we have enough facts to do just that, he killed the people in an act of terrorism, that makes him a terrorist..

If you don't give a dаmn why he did it, why do you keep typing what's in bold red letters? (That's a rhetorical question, to be followed by a <snort>).

As for the need to provide you with a MAJOR media link for the milkman and the VT shooter, no need to, for me a blog is all that is needed, and you admitted that already. End of conversation on that.

End of conversation because you are unable to provide one. You're the one who stated that he was called that in the media. Put up or shut up.

And yes if I , me, you or anyone commits a crime and it is as obvisous as this one is, (i mean they know he did it, you agree with that fact don't you) the reason doesn't matter, the punishment is to be dealt out, period....

Punishment should be dealt out, absolutely. But the reasons do matter, they matter very much. Society is based in no small part of knowing and understanding the reasons behind the things we do. If we don't know and understand the reasons behind what he did, we cannot take steps to prevent it in others, we cannot take steps to learn from it, and most importantly we cannot take steps to adapt to it. If we dismiss the reasons as irrelevant, we're setting ourselves up to allow it to happen again, over and over again.

...h*ell mosques all over the country are asking for police protection because of ths pos, so don't think for a moment that i am an isolated individual...its the American way to seek out and destroy the enemy....

Mosques aren't asking for police protection because of this individual, they are asking for protection because of an emotional knee-jerk reactionary mob-rule public mentality.

How do you think it was for those Americans of Asian descent on December 8, 1941? Many were killed simply because they didn't have round eyes. The questions came later.

There's a semi-famous Endocrinologist in Chicago who did some ground-breaking work in diabetes and metabolism. His name? Dr Nidal Hasan. How'd you like to be that guy?

As far as pizzing you off, lifes a biotch....live with it or get over it...

I'm going to do you the courtesy of answering this one in a PM. But publicly I'll just state that it's probably best if you don't take this kind of stance with me in the future, because I really don't have to live with it or get over it.

 

[chefdennis]

lol........you're tiresome...look the defintion of that up ....

 

[Turtle]

Whatcha laughing about there Chef?

Do you really want to go there?

 

[greg334]

Hey Turtle, Not to yank your chain but something was brought up this afternoon about this guys name and how it plays into the entire "Muslim = instant killer" thing with the assumptions that he was/wasn't a convert and so on.

It seems as it was pointed out to me the name may have a Christian origin not Muslim.

Can you poke around this great big thing call the Internet and see?

 

[chefdennis]

Understanding Fort Hood: Nothing ‘Sudden’ About ‘Sudden Jihad Syndrome’

November 7, 2009
by Rusty Shackleford
Pajamas Media Understanding Fort Hood: Nothing ‘Sudden’ About ‘Sudden Jihad Syndrome’

“Shock” and “horror” are the words being used to describe the massacre at Fort Hood by Major Nidal Malik Hasan. But while the events were “horrible,” they should have come as a “shock” to no one — at least if by “shock” they mean “surprised that Hasan would turn so violent.”

Hasan was a devout Muslim who, prior to his transfer to the Texas base, attended a conservative mosque on a daily basis and was known by associates to occasionally rant about U.S. involvement in the War on Terror. Press accounts also claim that Hasan had at one time been the subject of an FBI investigation because of an internet posting bearing his name which justified suicide bombings.

No one should be shocked that Hasan would turn to murder and terror. The only thing shocking about Hasan’s actions is the amount of carnage. Who would have guessed that a man armed only with handguns could kill and injure so many?

Radical Islamists — or those who believe that Islam offers a total legal and political system rather than just a moral guide for individual lives — have been engaged in a holy war against the United States for decades. Luckily, most plots involving groups of would-be terrorists have been detected early and disrupted. Like all criminal conspiracies, the more people involved, the more likely detection becomes.

Since 9/11, only individuals have successfully carried out acts of violence in the name of political Islam against domestic targets. Daniel Pipes has used the term “sudden jihad syndrome” to describe, somewhat facetiously, individual Muslims who suddenly turn violent and, in the name of Islam, go on a killing spree.

I say “somewhat facetiously” because it is the mainstream press that usually creates a narrative in which no one could have seen this coming, and therefore these individual acts of jihad seem”sudden.” But scratch the surface of these reports and one finds a pattern in which these acts of jihad are not so sudden. Sure, there may have been an event which set off the violence — in Hasan’s case, he was set for deployment to Afghanistan — but underlying this trigger is a deeper commitment to an ideology, to a total political program and a worldview which sees America as an aggressor and Muslims around the world as victims.

For instance, reports in the press claim that Hasan had been under investigation for posting about suicide bombings on the internet. A person with a name matching Hasan’s wrote the following in refutation to moderate Muslims who condemned suicide bombing:

Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam.

And if this is what Hasan is writing under his own given name, one is left to wonder just how extreme any other thoughts belonging to him but written under a nickname — the norm on the internet — would be.

Ironically, one person being quoted repeatedly in media reports as “shocked” at Hasan’s behavior is Faisal Khan, the former imam at the Muslim Community Center in Silver Springs, Maryland, where, the imam says, Hasan attended mosque on a daily basis. I say ironic because while there is no indication that Khan condones violence as a means to an end, there is evidence that Khan is an Islamist who shares the same political goals as the most notorious of terror organizations.

Khan is on the board of directors for the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). The ISNA is an outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood — the movement which spawned al-Qaeda — and was at one time supportive of Palestinian terrorist organizations. The ISNA claims that they no longer have any ties to these groups, but at best, the kind of Islam promoted by many of its members is that of Saudi-style Wahhabism or so-called “moderate” Salafism. In other words, the promotion of political Islam and of the implementation of Islamic law remains a goal for many in the ISNA.

On the ISNA’s action alert website posted right below two condemnations of Hasan, the group asks for provisions of the Patriot Act to be amended to make it more difficult to prosecute those sending “humanitarian aid” to terrorist groups. This is no surprise given that the ISNA was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation case — a case in which ISNA leaders were key in raising “humanitarian aid” from Muslims and then diverting that aid to the terrorists of Hamas.

Given the incompatibility of the goals of a religious state and that of American liberalism, one has to wonder just what the Hasan’s former imam means when he states that Hasan never gave any indication that he was an extremist.

Of course, many so-called “moderate” Salafis and Wahhabis now toe the official line of their Saudi Arabian financiers and decry terrorism in their pursuit of political Islam. (But of course they define acts of intentional violence against civilians in Israel as “not terror.”) Hasan’s noted Muslim piety and association with what most Americans would consider a radical philosophy might not be sufficient to raise alarms — all other things being equal.

However, several former colleagues now report that Hasan would occasionally voice odd and, in hindsight, alarming opinions. For instance, on Friday morning, NPR reported that at an academic conference Hasan deviated from his topic and:

instead of giving an academic paper he gave a lecture on the Koran. … t seemed to be his own beliefs. … He talked about if you are a non-believer the Koran says you should have your head cut off.

Another colleague recalled that Hasan regularly called the War on Terror a “war against Islam.”

And retired Col. Terry Lee told Fox News that Hasan had once said that “maybe Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor.” Other statements made by Hasan made it clear to Lee that by “aggressors” Hasan meant the U.S. military and not the radical Islamists we were fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

While Major Malik Hasan may have displayed no overt disposition towards violence, he certainly did display a disposition towards a radical political philosophy at odds with core American values, a worldview shared by paranoid Muslims around the world, and support for terrorist tactics deemed outside the rules of civilized warfare. Add to all of this the reports that Hasan yelled “Allahu Akbar” during the rampage and it seems fairly clear that at least one underlying motivation was that of jihad.

Those desperately looking for some other explanation for Hasan’s behavior should be reminded that crazy and motivated-by-jihad ideology are not mutually exclusive categories.

Any number of adjectives can be used to accurately describe Thursday’s events (i.e., “horrifying,” “despicable,” “disgusting”), but “shocked” is not one of them. Given the number of terrorist plots uncovered just in the last few months and the number of attacks on soft targets by those with “sudden jihad syndrome” since 9/11, it was only a matter of time before someone was successful in wreaking the kind of casualties that all these jihadists sought. And, even more importantly, until we begin to recognize the underlying ideology of political Islam as one motivating factor for terrorism, then another attack like that which occurred on Fort Hood is virtually guaranteed.

 

[Turtle]

Hey Turtle, Not to yank your chain but something was brought up this afternoon about this guys name and how it plays into the entire "Muslim = instant killer" thing with the assumptions that he was/wasn't a convert and so on.

Far as I know, from what I've read, he is a lifelong Muslim, not a convert. Both of his parents were Muslims. They had a restaurant (in Roanoke, if I'm not mistaken) where they lived a life more akin to the American Dream than that of radical Islam. It's tough to convince many people that Muslim doesn't automatically equal instant killer, much like it's hard to convince people that Southern Redneck doesn't automatically equal KKK member. It's even harder to convince people that the vast majority of Muslims don't misinterpret the Qur'an in the same manner that the Muslim Extremists do. Then again, people routinely misinterpret the Bible and other religious texts.

Part of the problem are Muslims themselves. Even the more mild mannered Muslims (for lack of a better term) won't much speak out against the extremists and their actions, because even though they disagree with those actions, and even though they are Muslim extremists, they are still Muslims just the same, and Muslims won't speak out against other Muslims. They'll actually defend them, even if they disagree with them. That attitude among regular Muslims is changing somewhat, albeit slowly, in some places around the world, like Pakistan and some parts of Afghanistan, but it's gonna take time.

It's easy to say, "Kill them all, let Allah sort them out", to paraphrase the famous Cistercian Monk who himself bаstаrdized the phrase from the Bible during the Albigensian Crusade. But that would be wrong. If you think about it, if all Muslims were of the same extremist bent that people think they are, all they'd have to do is for each Muslim to kill an infidel a day, and within a few short weeks there'd be no more infidels left to worry about.

It seems as it was pointed out to me the name may have a Christian origin not Muslim.

Can you poke around this great big thing call the Internet and see?

This one I had to do some research on, but had an idea of what I'd find. Nadal is of Spanish origin, Catalan actually, and is a variant of the root of Natividad, or Nativity. Then again, the Spanish language contains far more words of Arabic origin than of Germanic or French origin. But the name "Nadal" is a common one in both Spain and Mexico. Hang out in Laredo and you'll see it a lot.

Without even looking it up, I know for sure that Hasan is of Arabic origin. It stems from "hasuna'" meaning to "be good." The Prophet Muhammad's son was Ali, and Ali's son was Hasan, who was poisoned by one of his wives and is regarded to this day as a martyr by Shiite Muslims. In the Shiite Muslim world, Hasan is huge.

Malik is an easy one. That's an Arabic word of Arabic origin meaning "king". There are maliks all over the place, most of them leaders of countries.

 

[aristotle]

Of course the Spanish language has many words of Arabic origin. The Moors conquered the Iberian peninsula during the Crusades and kept Spain subjugated for centuries. The Muslim world and the Judeo-Christian world have a long history of war and practically no record of peaceful co-existence.

 

[chefdennis]

While people want to rationalize what happened at Ft Hood, the fact is the pos that did this was a muslum terrorist and nothing is going to change that..this was planned and it stands to show that what was done was within the teachings of islam / muslums. While most will admit that the extremist have hijacked what is often times taught in the mosque today, extremism is whats being taught...jihad is what these people want and the death of the infidels is what they are after, and the soldiers of the world are the prime targets.....

Introspection, Not Rationalization, Needed in Wake of Fort Hood Slaughter

Written by ITP News
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2009110...slaughter.html

A picture of Nidal Malik Hasan is emerging from the slaughter he carried out Thursday during a ceremony at a Fort Hood readiness center, leaving 13 people dead and another 30 wounded.
Born in Virginia, sent to medical school by the U.S. Army, the psychiatrist was chastised for proselytizing to his patients about Islam. Asked his nationality, he didn't identify himself as an American but as a Palestinian. He appeared pleased by the shooting death of a Little Rock Army recruiter in June and reportedly was heard saying "maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Times Square."

In the fateful moment before he opened fire on his unarmed victims, he shouted "Allahu Akhbar."
With each new disclosure, some media outlets and organized Islamist groups increasingly are trying to deflect attention away from Hasan's religious motivation. In a statement condemning the attack, the Muslim American Society's Freedom Foundation referenced past shootings by soldiers on their bases and cited the suicide rate at Fort Hood.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) issued a statement once the killer's name was known condemning the attack and saying "No religious or political ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence."
The condemnations are welcome and appropriate if not the only thing that could be done in response to the tragedy. As we have noted previously, such unequivocal statements are much harder to come by when arrests are made before the killings can be carried out or when the killers share the Islamists' ideology.

Arab-American Anti Discrimination Committee President Mary Rose Oakar issued a statement calling the Hasan attack "absolutely deplorable." But she also emphasized that the violence "has nothing to do with any religion, race, ethnicity, or national origin."
Friday morning, CAIR national spokesman Ibrahim Hooper told radio interviewer John Hockenberry that Hasan's motivation remains unknown:

"He could have just snapped from some kind of stress. The thing is when these things happen and the guy's name is John Smith nobody says well what about his religious beliefs? But when it is a Muslim sounding name that automatically comes into it."

Contrast that with blogger Shahed Amanullah's willingness to address the matter with courage and honesty lacking among the American Muslim community's self-anointed national spokesmen:

"

Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, was reportedly troubled by his impending deployment to Iraq. Mental instability and depression has resulted in violence within the armed forces before. But unless Hasan left an explicit message to that effect, a religiously-inspired political act of violence is, much as we'd be unwilling to admit it, entirely plausible. With that in mind, Muslims will have to ask themselves some difficult questions as to why there are still those among us who continue to find justification for acts such as this in their faith."

Hasan's murderous rampage is just the latest in a string of attempts to murder American soldiers at home. It's a point Daniel Pipes made in 2003 after Hasan Akbar, a sergeant in the 101st Airborne Division, rolled a grenade into a tent holding his fellow soldiers on the eve of the invasion of Iraq. Akbar was found legally sane, convicted and sentenced to death in 2005.
In June, Abdulhakim Muhammad killed an Army recruiter in Little Rock and wounded a second recruiter. He told investigators he would have killed more people if he had seen them.

Fortunately, other plots were broken up by law enforcement before anyone got hurt. But in those cases, the Islamist organizations have cast the FBI as engaging in a sinister effort to entrap people otherwise uninterested in violence or incapable of carrying it out.

Among the examples:

Fort Dix

On May 7, 2007, six individuals were arrested for plotting an attack on the Fort Dix military base in New Jersey. The goal of the attack, according to court documents, was to "kill as many soldiers as possible." Following a jury trial, the plotters were found guilty on charges of conspiracy to harm U.S. military personnel on December 22, 2008. CAIR initially was supportive following the arrests saying, "we applaud the FBI for its efforts and repeat the American Muslim community's condemnation and repudiation of all those who would plan or carry out acts of terror while falsely claiming their actions have religious justification."
Later, CAIR also requested that media outlets and public officials refrain from linking this case to the faith of Islam. The council asked mosques and Islamic institutions in New Jersey and nationwide to report any incidents of anti-Muslim backlash.

Bronx Terror Plot

On May 20, 2009, James Cromitie and three others were arrested and indicted on charges arising from a plot to detonate explosives near a synagogue in the Bronx and to shoot down military planes at the New York Air National Guard Base at Stewart Airport in Newburgh, NY. Although they initially condemned the plotters and congratulated the FBI on its efforts, MPAC came to question the motives and methods of the FBI saying that "none of these cases that we're talking about now involved in al Qaida cells. These were individuals who were either petty criminals or gullible people who were guilty of stupidity. They were not imminent threats to our country, as the FBI has stated."

North Carolina Jihad

On July 27, 2009, Daniel Patrick Boyd and six others were indicted in North Carolina for planning to "advance violent Jihad including supporting and participating in terrorist activities abroad and committing acts of murder, kidnapping, or maiming persons abroad," after three years of being under surveillance by the FBI. Among the allegations was that Boyd and his co-conspirators intended to attack the Quantico Marine base. Because a member of Boyd's group cooperated with law enforcement, MPAC insinuated the FBI improperly investigated the case: "the arrests come at a time when questions have been raised about the use of FBI informants in mosques and tense relations between law enforcement and local communities."

The same pattern has been applied in the past two weeks, since FBI agents shot and killed a Detroit imam who fired first. Luqman Abdullah had a long history of advocating an offensive jihad and using his mosque for training in martial arts and with weapons. Yet CAIR and other Islamist groups have argued his religious justifications should not be a part of the case and allege the FBI reacted with excessive force after Abdullah fired his weapon.

There's obviously a lot more to Hasan's attack still to be learned. He reportedly dreaded his pending deployment to Iraq and may have snapped. But to dismiss his statements about people "strap[ping] bombs on themselves" or that Muslims should rise up and fight the aggressors is irresponsible and counter productive.
This is no isolated incident and the sooner national groups face that fact, the sooner they might heed Amanullah's challenge to engage in a genuine search for the causes and confront those who help foster such violent ideology.
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The Investigative Project on Terrorism (IPT) is a non-profit research group founded by Steven Emerson in 1995. It is recognized as the world's most comprehensive data center on radical Islamic terrorist groups. For more than a decade, the IPT has investigated the operations, funding, activities and front groups of Islamic terrorist and extremist groups in the United States and around the world. It has become a principal source of critical evidence to a wide variety of government offices and law enforcement agencies, as well as the U.S. Congress and numerous public policy forums. Research carried out by the IPT team has formed the basis for thousands of articles and television specials on the subject of radical Islamic involvement in terrorism, and has even led to successful government action against terrorists and financiers based in the United States.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/2009110...slaughter.html

 

[greg334]

Turtle,
Thank you.

OK the thing about the Spanish naming, many of the Palestinians who came here and to other parts of the world adopted both French and Spanish names - hence the name.

"The Muslim world and the Judeo-Christian world have a long history of war and practically no record of peaceful co-existence."

I don't think that is all that true, in Iran and former state of Iraq there is/was co-existing of the religions. Iran is a funny situation because Judism and Christianity are state protected religions along with Zoroastrianism. I think even in Syria where 10% of the population are Christians and Turkey which was the seat of the eastern Roman empire at one time, there is still a mutual co-existence between the religions. It is not perfect but there isn't any mass killings of people of other religions like there was in Germany and Bosnia. But I know one place that there isn't, Somolia.

 

[witness23]

.....we need to be the aggressors as i said....it was the weakness that clinton showed and his dismantling of our military that allowed 9-11 to happen

Unreal.....so with that logic, we should be blaming Bush for this "Terrorist Act" that happend Fort Hood. I mean he had weakened our military by engaging our troops into two wars simaltaneously, having our troops overseas for 10+months at a time and then when they are finally back home they ship right back out within a year. Darn, I really liked Bush but you know what......this whole Fort Hood thing would've never happened if it weren't for Bush!!

 

[witness23]

Quote:
Originally Posted by chefdennis
Turtle, i am not going to tear your post apart piece by piece,...

Well of course you're not. It's because you can't defend your statements on a point-by-point basis with anything other than knee-jerk reactionary emotionalism.

Bravo!!!!!

 

[greg334]

Unreal.....so with that logic, we should be blaming Bush for this "Terrorist Act" that happend Fort Hood. I mean he had weakened our military by engaging our troops into two wars simaltaneously, having our troops overseas for 10+months at a time and then when they are finally back home they ship right back out within a year. Darn, I really liked Bush but you know what......this whole Fort Hood thing would've never happened if it weren't for Bush!!

That's an interesting take.

Well I can't see why a 10 month deployment should matter when we have had troops in other wars not even rotated back to the states. I mean take WW1, most were gone from 1917 to the latter part of 1919, quick for the US soldiers. WW2 I know a bunch who left home in '42 and didn't return until '46 even though some had more than enough points. Korea I know a couple who were there for the entire war and only rotates out to Japan and right back into the mess. So 10 months isn't that long when you take in account what these other soldiers went through, they didn't have the support system, they didn't have the medical care or the nutritional planning and sometimes it was weeks before they actually got any good rest. Trench warfare had to be the worst, even in the Meuse-Argonne battle which lasted around 6 weeks, it is something that a lot of people today, civilians and soldiers alike wouldn't make it through or even comprehend what it was like.

So blame Bush, but I blame the entire system for this mess and the messes that others are going through.

 

[witness23]

That's an interesting take.

Well I can't see why a 10 month deployment should matter when we have had troops in other wars not even rotated back to the states. I mean take WW1, most were gone from 1917 to the latter part of 1919, quick for the US soldiers. WW2 I know a bunch who left home in '42 and didn't return until '46 even though some had more than enough points. Korea I know a couple who were there for the entire war and only rotates out to Japan and right back into the mess. So 10 months isn't that long when you take in account what these other soldiers went through, they didn't have the support system, they didn't have the medical care or the nutritional planning and sometimes it was weeks before they actually got any good rest. Trench warfare had to be the worst, even in the Meuse-Argonne battle which lasted around 6 weeks, it is something that a lot of people today, civilians and soldiers alike wouldn't make it through or even comprehend what it was like.

So blame Bush, but I blame the entire system for this mess and the messes that others are going through.

They also had a draft. We have soldiers that have been on 2 year stints and longer like you described above now. And if you're wondering.....yes, we should've instilled the draft when this all began.

 

[DanielCarver]

I am not denying that what was said is bigotry, but the fact is he is right.....sorry to say it, but it is a fact..his name showed him as an arabic islamic muslum..and the fact prove that out...so the person that stated that was not wrong...you might not like it, but the fact is the statement was right...now if he had been a christain with the same name, the statement would have been wrong...but he wasn't, he was born palestinian. raised in America and a converted islamic muslum by parents that i have heard to this day do not speak American....

so yea the statement was bigotry, but , you will have that, right or wrong, its how most Americans are.....in one shape, form or another.....

My sentiments exactly you can tell alot about a man just by his name. Chef if I ever see you around lunch is on me and not any of that truckstop gruel they pass off as a meal! America needs more people like Dennis, keep up the good work! To the others that fight you they just need to wake up and see what this once great country has become.

 

[layoutshooter]

Hey, what's the deal with you making so much sense lately??

Got it wrong again, Rocket. I have ALWAYS made sense, you have just begun to understand reality!! LOL!!

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Kinda reminds me of the Sgt York story..cept for the ending...one mans struggle between duty and God..

the guy snapped..aka couldn't handle the mental struggle..
and tried to commit suicide by police action, he screams out Oh God I am coming or whatever they say and starts shooting expecting to be shot..

 

[layoutshooter]

I don't think that he snapped. I believe that this was a PLANNED attack. It is VERY possible that is was part of a group of plans that have been planned by terrorist groups. That is my belief. With any luck we will learn the truth. Assuming, that is, that the media would report what is learned.

 

[aristotle]

EO's excuse-makers are working overtime for poor Nidal. They dismiss the possibilty that evil exists and is ample motive for mass killings. Nidal "snapped" just like Adolph Hitler snapped between 1933-1945. The difference being scale.

Evil isn't necessarily a mental disorder. Can you imagine how many acts of savagery would take place on any given day if not for the omnipresent threat of arrest, trial and punishment?

I doubt anyone here at EO would attempt to rationalize or justify Hitler's mass killings. But, they are slobbering to shield poor Nidal behind some supposed defect. What is the cut-off point where responsibility begins?? Is an individual allowed to kill 13 before held to account? Does he get a pass if he kills hundreds, thousands or millions?

It isn't an enlightened position to explain away bad acts by evil persons. There is just as much evil in the world as there is goodness. The liberal mind refuses to admit evil exists. If they acknowledge evil, much of their cherished agenda falls apart.

The US military will bend over backwards to give Nidal a fair trial. For fear of offending Obama or the Democrats in Congress, Nidal's life will probably be spared. Another triumph for evil.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

the old paranoia is running strong on this forum...the Russians are Coming mentality! Everyones our enemy and it must be a plan...they are out to get us under every rock..sheeesh

Of course evil exists...


and all the above is pure speculation on the reasons...let the imagination run wild...

Wasn't the VA Tech shooter a Chinese student? Where was the commie plot there...and he killed more in a shorted time span!

 

[aristotle]

the old paranoia is running strong on this forum...the Russians are Coming mentality! Everyones our enemy and it must be a plan...they are out to get us under every rock..sheeesh

Of course evil exists...


and all the above is pure speculation on the reasons...let the imagination run wild...

Wasn't the VA Tech shooter a Chinese student? Where was the commie plot there...and he killed more in a shorted time span!

OVM... what is your take on the shooter in Fort Hood, TX? There is no dispute of the fact he killed many people and wounded even more. There is no grand scheme or plot at play here. Just one man killing indiscriminately. Islam is not going to be on trial. Major Nidal is.