At least she's not on the jury...

cheri1122

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So, how do we know the HOA KNEW Zimmerman was armed? How do we KNOW the HOA knew Zimmermann wasn't going to only follow and report.

When the HOA promotes a NW person, it's their duty to ensure that the rules are known and followed. They didn't do that.

How do we KNOW Zimmerman approached the sweet, innocent, non dope smoking, non school disciplinary problem, non gun toting, non troublemaking golden child and the boy didn't attack Zimmerman, requiring him to act in self defense?

Nobody said Martin is sweet or innocent [I've raised 2 teenagers, I know what they can be like]. His school disciplinary problems are irrelevant, esp as they don't relate to violent behavior [marijuana traces in an empty baggie - and no one claims marijuana causes violent behavior. Quite the opposite, in fact.] If his disciplinary record is relevant, then how about Zimmerman's? Felony arrest/conviction for resisting police with force. Oh, and a restraining order taken out by an ex gf, years prior. Gun toting? Because there was a pic on his cell of a gun? Nope, not proof of anything. I've got a pic of a cat on my phone, but I don't have a cat...
If Martin did attack, Zimmerman provoked it by following him, and refusing to answer when asked why - that's by his own words.


Oh, and if there isn't any dam.ing evidence on Martin's cell phone/ facebook postings, why can't the jury see them??

Because it isn't relevant. He's not on trial. He has no history of violent behavior, or attacking people. Zimmerman does, though.
The better question is: if the person screaming for help on the 911 call can't be determined, why does the prosecution want it in, but the defense wants it kept out?
 

cheri1122

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Cheri IMHO as you often do you are reading one side of a story and taking it in hook line and sinker

Au contrere, mon frere, I've read both sides, including all the transcripts & documents released. I've read Zimmerman's statements, and seen how the story changed from one to the next.

Seems our good little gf has some credibility problems of her own.

Prosecutors admit Trayvon Martin's girlfriend lied under oath | The Daily Caller

Yep, she lied. She said she couldn't go to Martin's funeral because she was in the hospital. She couldn't take the funeral, seeing her boyfriend dead in his casket, after he was killed while on the phone with her. The question probably caught her off guard, [it being about what she heard on the phone, not the funeral] and she just couldn't admit that it was too much for her [she is only 16] and she lied. There was nothing in it for her - she wasn't lying for financial gain, like Zimmerman & his wife. She lied because she felt guilty about not going to her boyfriend's funeral, and because at 16, her peers might have made her feel even worse about it. Can you not understand that?

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xiggi

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Cheri IMHO as you often do you are reading one side of a story and taking it in hook line and sinker

Au contrere, mon frere, I've read both sides, including all the transcripts & documents released. I've read Zimmerman's statements, and seen how the story changed from one to the next.

Seems our good little gf has some credibility problems of her own.

Prosecutors admit Trayvon Martin's girlfriend lied under oath | The Daily Caller

Yep, she lied. She said she couldn't go to Martin's funeral because she was in the hospital. She couldn't take the funeral, seeing her boyfriend dead in his casket, after he was killed while on the phone with her. The question probably caught her off guard, [it being about what she heard on the phone, not the funeral] and she just couldn't admit that it was too much for her [she is only 16] and she lied. There was nothing in it for her - she wasn't lying for financial gain, like Zimmerman & his wife. She lied because she felt guilty about not going to her boyfriend's funeral, and because at 16, her peers might have made her feel even worse about it. Can you not understand that?

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What I cannot understand is why you believe that is why she lied how do we know it isn't another lie. I also find it strange how you condem one party for a lie but the other is some sweet innocent misguided child when she lies.

From what I have read the call ended before shots were fired in which case she was not on the phone when he was killed but prior too that.

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paullud

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Really, Dave? Martin "shouldn't have been walking outside after dark"?

It is easy to jump to the conclusion of it being a racist statement but you can't be sure the conversation happened as stated or if it happened at all, this is the media we are talking about. The other issue is this woman might have meant he should not be out that late at his age, remember the BS pictures that were put out?

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cheri1122

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/22/george-zimmerman-s-history-of-911-calls-a-complete-log.html

46 calls.
Of the 10 made in the year prior, 5 involved 'black males'. The only other call that specified a person was someone who had a personal grievance w Zimmerman.
Maybe you see it differently, but it seems to me Zimmerman saw a LOT of suspicious black males. Just sayin.
I wondered whether the number of calls was reasonable, for the area, but couldn't find anything to say if it is or not.

 

cheri1122

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It is easy to jump to the conclusion of it being a racist statement but you can't be sure the conversation happened as stated or if it happened at all, this is the media we are talking about. The other issue is this woman might have meant he should not be out that late at his age, remember the BS pictures that were put out?

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Yes, I remember the original pic used. That was more than a year ago, and many more [and more realistic] photos have been used since, for both Martin & Zimmerman.
Out too late at night? The 911 call began just after 7PM.
 

cheri1122

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What I cannot understand is why you believe that is why she lied how do we know it isn't another lie. I also find it strange how you condem one party for a lie but the other is some sweet innocent misguided child when she lies.

One party is an adult male who lied [and got his wife to lie, which got her charged w perjury] for his own financial benefit. $200,000 worth.
The other party is a 16 yr old girl - whether she's sweet, innocent, or misguided, I have no clue, but I know she's 16. And she had just been through the most traumatic kind of event I can imagine, and she was being questioned by attorneys about that event - doesn't it seem reasonable that a question about attending the funeral would have been totally unexpected?
You have raised a daughter too - you know how cruel they can be in school.
You're right, the girl didn't hear the shots, but she heard enough to be traumatized. I'm sure I would have been, if it were me.


From what I have read the call ended before shots were fired in which case she was not on the phone when he was killed but prior too that.

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paullud

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/22/george-zimmerman-s-history-of-911-calls-a-complete-log.html

46 calls.
Of the 10 made in the year prior, 5 involved 'black males'. The only other call that specified a person was someone who had a personal grievance w Zimmerman.
Maybe you see it differently, but it seems to me Zimmerman saw a LOT of suspicious black males. Just sayin.
I wondered whether the number of calls was reasonable, for the area, but couldn't find anything to say if it is or not.


So 6 calls out of all of those identified the person as a black male and that happened after black males started breaking into houses in the community. He had a known description of thieves and at worst was racially profiling which is normal human behavior and also makes sense if you are trying to stop the burglaries.

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paullud

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Yes, I remember the original pic used. That was more than a year ago, and many more [and more realistic] photos have been used since, for both Martin & Zimmerman.
Out too late at night? The 911 call began just after 7PM.

Those pictures are not being used in the majority of the media so this woman may not be aware. It was in February and at that time it means it was dark out so to her a little kid shouldn't be outside at that time.

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xiggi

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So Cheri we have gone from every single call to some of the calls and from being on the phone when he was killed to not being on the phone when he was killed. You should be working for the media you would fit right in.

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And then of course you have this little problem. A video that Martin took with his phone showing his friends beating up and stealing a homeless man's bike. Don't know if it will be used in court but this kid is hardly a "good boy". Certainly didn't go out of his way to stop the theft and assault. Wonder why that is? His online antics don't help him either.
Maybe Cheri will give pause for thought when standing back and looking at the whole picture.
On eve of Zimmerman trial in Trayvon Martin killing, new video becomes public - U.S. News
 

LDB

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He had a known description of thieves and at worst was racially profiling which is normal human behavior and also makes sense if you are trying to stop the burglaries.

Terrible, terrible, terrible. To ignore people who don't at all fit a particular demographic and focus on people who fit. Why, an idea like that would possibly identify more people who need to be identified and perhaps allow the TSA to stop groping 86 year old wheelchair bound women and 6 year old girls.
 

LDB

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Martin was far from an innocent boy (boy as in not yet fully a man, you know, the real meaning provided your brain isn't dysfunctional). Martin may not have been public enemy number one but he had some history. I don't think it's an open and shut case.
 

Brisco

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Ms Giggi started with:

Cheri IMHO as you often do you are reading one side of a story and taking it in hook line and sinker.......

Au contrere, mon frere, I've read both sides, including all the transcripts & documents released. I've read Zimmerman's statements, and seen how the story changed from one to the next.

One of the Best Interactions so far in this whole thread with concerns to what's at hand here................

This reply is absolutely ignorant...............and very very very CLOSE MINDED / One Sided when it comes to the actual FACTS that has been brought forth AFTER the MSM.........and BLACK Racists Groups............skewered everything for over 3 weeks through our News Outlets.

This Thread is the Cheri Show.....................Let her have at it..............

Hopefully someone will start up a new thread (The 30th Zimmerman / Martin thread so far) that may be a little more open to what the FACTS are in this case.............and show more support for a Man that had to defend himself to an extent that caused the Death of another............
 

xiggi

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This thread has been fine. Cheri has been challenged on her statements and gave responses to those challenges. As they say the jury is still out.

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xiggi

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One of the Best Interactions so far in this whole thread with concerns to what's at hand here................

This reply is absolutely ignorant...............and very very very CLOSE MINDED / One Sided when it comes to the actual FACTS that has been brought forth AFTER the MSM.........and BLACK Racists Groups............skewered everything for over 3 weeks through our News Outlets.

This Thread is the Cheri Show.....................Let her have at it..............

Hopefully someone will start up a new thread (The 30th Zimmerman / Martin thread so far) that may be a little more open to what the FACTS are in this case.............and show more support for a Man that had to defend himself to an extent that caused the Death of another............

It is amazing that you cannot post without personal insults. It says a lot about you.

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Brisco

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This thread has been fine. Cheri has been challenged on her statements and gave responses to those challenges. As they say the jury is still out.

Your Opinion...............of which you're allowed.

It is amazing that you cannot post without personal insults. It says a lot about you.

What personal insult????


Another thing............Once you stop being the First One to post after I post something......and with uncalled for sarcasm towards what I had to say............of which occurs 8-9 times out of 10..........I may tend to take what you actually have to say in consideration. (Yes.......It's very noticeable that you STALK every post I make.....Kinda like Ms Cheri used to do........)
 

xiggi

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The last two threads you posted in you responded to one of my posts first. The two prior threads you posted in I had no posts in at all. Why waste time even looking further to prove you are mistaken.

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What personal insult????
The thread and the discussion is about the issues of the case and the reporting thereof. Your response included a derogatory remark about Cheri, and there was no reason for it other than to be confrontational.

I think it's interesting that you stated her reply was ignorant and closed-minded and one-sided with regards to the facts that have come out, while at the same time you are equally ignorant, close-minded and one-sided in defense of Zimmerman ("and show more support for a Man that had to defend himself to an extent that caused the Death of another....." - seems like you've discovered some watershed "facts" there, Brisco). You have not altered your position on the case since your first posting about it, IIRC.

The trial will happen and the facts will come out.

The pictures on the phone are irrelevant unless they pertain to that night, since they are not in the context of the case. Disciplinary problems, drug use, tats, racks, while they may accurately show him as a "punk," unless they show a history of one-on-one personal confrontations, are irrelevant to that night. They aren't evidence relating to that night, and could only be emotionally inflammatory to a jury, which is why the prosecution wants them in.

On the Zimmerman side, he has a history of personal confrontations, and they are in the context of his volunteer neighborhood watch activities. In one phone call Zimmerman said he witnessed a theft, and he followed the car and blocked the entrance of the thieves neighborhood until authorities arrived, according to the police report.

In another case, Zimmerman was accused of tailgating and Zimmerman accused the other drive of spitting on him. Zimmerman then called police to report he was battered and chased the suspect in his car until authorities could stop him, according to the police report.


Zimmerman also has a very "Gladys Kravitz" (the extremely nosy neighbor from Bewitched) history. He's made 911 calls on more than one occasion to report a man wandering around a residence in his pajamas on trash day. Turns out the man lived there. He's made 911 calls about kids playing in the street running out in front of cars. He's made 911 calls to tell authorities that someone left their garage door open.

Zimmerman's 911 calls about "suspicious" people weren't about black in "every single case", but according to the Sanford Police Department most of them were. Of his 46 calls since 2001, 9 were to report "suspicious persons," 8 of whom were black, the ninth was not identified one way or the other.

Neighborhood Watch is no weapons and no confrontations. The scorpion is what it is, the leopard can't change his spots, and human nature being what it is Zimmerman is what Zimmerman is, and I think Zimmerman's "Mrs Kravits" got the better of him and he went looking for a confrontation, found one, got more than he bargained for in Martin who confronted him right back. Zimmerman was prepared for the confrontation with a gun, Martin was prepared with a can of soda and a pack of Skittles.

Martin has a history, albeit a rather short one, of "being up to no good," and Zimmerman has a history, a rather lengthy one, of being nosy and confrontational. It would really suck to be Zimmerman if, like the boy who cried wolf, that he's telling the absolute truth in this case.

But, if I were on the jury, what I think would be totally trumped by the evidence presented in court, whether or not each side was believable, whether or not the prosecution proved their case. That's all that matters.
 
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