Why Is There No Outrage About This Police Shooting?

Turtle

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Wow, Pil, you really are a sore loser, aren't you. Things don't go your way and you get mean and lash out.

And on top of that, you go and create a brand new straw man to beat down. It is really and truly remarkable how effortlessly and seamlessly you can incorporate logical fallacies into your arguments. We're talking about the Fox News cable network, and you post a link to and bits of an article about local radio and television stations.

I don't know if you've yet given much thought to what your epitaph might be, but I think "Never met a context he couldn't alter to suit his needs" would look just fantastic on a tombstone!
 

RLENT

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Exactly. When I read that statement, my very first thought was, "Kinda playin' fast and loose with the word "many" aren't ya, Mutt?"
... and this is guy who wants to pontificate on "distortions" and "credibility" ...

Ya literally can't make it up.

Even if he'd have just inserted the word "token" between "many" and "blacks" it would have been eminently more forthright and honorable. Not to mention accurate.
I'm afraid accuracy renders his "Precious" just a tad less shiny ...

But I guess like Chef Curdle, it's anything for the cause ...
 

RLENT

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SMH at the utter ignorance.
MANY definition --numerous ...
Yeah ... utter ignorance it certainly is ... combined apparently with functional illiteracy ...

numerous:
adjective
1. very many; being or existing in great quantity:

numerous visits; numerous fish.



2. consisting of or comprising a great number of units or individuals:

Recent audiences have been more numerous.

The quantity of 30 was probably "many" or "numerous" a couple of generations after Adam and Eve ... these days not so much ...

... Your credibility is already in the tank and you're swimming near the bottom.
In the tank ... with who ... you ?

You're a highly partisan right-wing ideologue ... one that's so indoctrinated that it certainly approaches - if not exceeds - complete fanaticism ...

How else can one describe someone who will apparently pervert the meanings of words just to further their own ideology ?

From my perspective, my cred being in the tank with you has no downsides ...
 

RLENT

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18 yrs? Nope. More like within the last year for most if not all of them.
Good to know you're redefining your term for MANY.
I'm not redefining anything ...

(see definition for "facetious")

Maybe you should go argue on the other site with the conservative and say that over 30 isn't many. I'm sure he'll get a huge chuckle as well. Hehe. I do.
My conversations with that individual usually end up being fairly abbreviated ...

There are no chuckles involved on his part ... and the conversations usually end with his veins popping out and throbbing ... just before he loses it and slinks quietly away licking his wounds.

My posts apparently have a unique ability to irritate this guy to the extreme ... because the observations I make are TRUE ... and quite often point out hypocrisy on the political right.

He's a right-wing fanatic ... kinda like you in many ways.

As Turtle once commented on, if you really want to earn the undying hatred of "conservatives" and those on the political right just point out their hypocrisy ...

There are many blacks who appear on Fox News that opine about race.
Riiiiight ...

Whether there is a large amount that is white is not my argument. My argument was 1 that your photo falsely depicted Fox News as All WHITE.
No, it didn't ...

That's simply your inference ...

and implied from the caption that they had no business discussing race because as the photo & caption falsely implies they have all whites and zero blacks on Fox News.
No - that isn't what it implied at all ... that's what you inferred from it.

(Still confused with how the infer/imply thing works I see ...)

I'd say that what it implied was that Fox News has a fairly significant number of white folks - who have likely benefited from being privileged as whites - who now - ironically - want to convince others that racism is no longer an issue in the US. (see definition for "irony")

But that could just be what I'm inferring from it.

Why would you now want a list of non blacks opining about race when you clearly aren't concerned about context, as evident by your lie by ommision photo? I agree that there is plenty of non blacks opining about race, but there is also MANY BLACKS that have appeared on Fox News and opined about race.
You should be permanently barred from using adjectives and adverbs until you learn how to do so properly ... and until you stop perverting the meaning of words.

You want out of the tank yet ,Lentil?
Barf,

The only thing you really have going for you here is persistence - you'll keep on talking till the cows come home ... even if it's only whack-a-doodle nonsense ...

Given the perversions of the meanings of words, the fanatical defense of Faux News, the repeated use of logical fallacies (you're really starting to give Gobbler a run for his money), and your tendency to actually make the case for the very thing you are trying to refute, I simply look it as the gift that keeps on giving ...

If you want to continue to stab yourself in the eyes with a sharp stick, well ... who am I to stop you ?
 
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RLENT

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Nice picture. Of course it and the statement with it is a load of chicken manure since it's the product of a liar that misrepresents the true makeup of Fox News' on-air personalities by OMITTING every single minority and almost every male they currently employ in those positions.
Coming from someone who would like to conveniently omit (not to mention outright deny) any and all foreign meddling the US has been involved in over the years that is truly rich ...

Mr. Pot meet Mr. Kettle ...

As you stated, it's the visual representation of a "lie of omission" and it's also at least three years old considering Glenn Beck left Fox in 2011. Jokes are funny when they're true.
Unless of course you - or your "Precious" - happens to be the butt of the joke ...

Then they kind of have a tendency to pizz people off ... and make them go all fanatical trying to defend the indefensible ...

In any event, just remember:

Santa is white ... 'cause after all, The Virginal Queen Of The Immaculate and Holy White Thighs, Megyn, says so ...

... "truth" for the masses ...

In case anyone is interested in some factual information about minorities in news networks, the following study done in 2013 by RTDNA & Hofstra University offers some recent stats. It doesn't mention Fox News or any other cable networks in particular, but does offer some interesting stats about the networks in general, especially in the spreadsheets provided (bold emphasis mine)


Yes, I know this has nothing to do with the original subject matter - just going with the flow
As was pointed out, it not only has nothing to the original subject matter, it also has really nothing to do with the most current subject matter ...

But nice try ... ;)
 

Turtle

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A couple of random thoughts...

First, someone might be playing a little fast and loose with the term "functional" in conjunction with "illiteracy, especially when viewed in what is very likely the correct context of the situation.

Second, the statement, "Jokes are funny when they're true, is obviously a stellar example of "factually inaccurate by omission" (it's a thing now). It should be worded as...

"Some jokes are funny, to some people when they're true. Plus, some jokes are not funny at all when they're true. Also, some jokes are funny even if they're not true. Sometimes jokes are not funny no matter what."

Gotta be full and complete now. We can't be willy-nilly omittin' stuff.
 

cheri1122

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Pilgrim wrote: "Since America isn't the utopia the author wants it to be, he engages in the usual liberal self loathing America hating white guilt."

Any claim to credibility or actual critical thought, [slight as it may have been in some quarters] vanished completely with that one sentence.
 

Turtle

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An African American cow made a daring escape from a Pocatello, Idaho meat packing death camp over the weekend after it cowhandled a guard and jumped a fence. But the massive heifer's liberty was short lived.

"It was not a very long time, although when you have a thousand pound animal that's running in the streets it can sure seem like a long time," Police Lieutenant Ian Nelson told KPVI News 6.

"It was really scary," another officer added. "I was, of course, afraid for my life, just as anyone would be in that situation."

As police arrived on the scene, the monstrous beast immediately began to flee, and ignored all commands from the officers to freeze. Immediately upon seeing the heifer, the police suspected the big animal of earlier stealing three cans of Red Bull and a box of Swisher Sweets cigarillos from a local convenience store.

The cow led five police and one animal control officers on a chase on foot and in vehicles through the city's north side. It rammed an animal control truck and two police cars. "The cow was obviously mad," reported one officer.

Lieutenant Nelson says public safety was the main concern. There were elementary schools and homes in the area. Think of the children. "And, of course, we all feared for our lives."

Officers eventually cornered the cow and with nowhere left to run, the cow raised both front hooves in what officers took to be an attack posture. That's when the officers opened fire, killing the beast in a hail of bullets, swiftly ending what could have been a very dangerous situation.

An investigation is underway to determine how the cow escaped, but the manager of the meat packing death camp noted the cow's mother has a history of fence abuse at the ranch where she lives, and the cow's father has sired 17 calves with 12 different cows.
 

muttly

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Pilgrim wrote: "Since America isn't the utopia the author wants it to be, he engages in the usual liberal self loathing America hating white guilt."

Any claim to credibility or actual critical thought, [slight as it may have been in some quarters] vanished completely with that one sentence.

It's actually spot on.
 

Pilgrim

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Pilgrim wrote: "Since America isn't the utopia the author wants it to be, he engages in the usual liberal self loathing America hating white guilt."

Any claim to credibility or actual critical thought, [slight as it may have been in some quarters] vanished completely with that one sentence.

It's actually spot on.
What else would you expect from the most liberal and most uninformed participant in the forum?
 

Pilgrim

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Wow, Pil, you really are a sore loser, aren't you. Things don't go your way and you get mean and lash out.

And on top of that, you go and create a brand new straw man to beat down. It is really and truly remarkable how effortlessly and seamlessly you can incorporate logical fallacies into your arguments. We're talking about the Fox News cable network, and you post a link to and bits of an article about local radio and television stations.
The straw man was created when a post totally irrelevant to the OP was put up as yet another lame attempt to trash Fox News. The content of the post was proven to be false. I guessed you missed this sentence: " It doesn't mention Fox News or any other cable networks in particular, but does offer some interesting stats about the networks in general, especially in the spreadsheets provided". I simply thought the information was interesting considering the racial and sexual makeup of television personalities at stations and networks all over the country. Where do you think the big network stars come from? They work their way up from stations in Kansas City, Charlotte and Grand Rapids.
I don't know if you've yet given much thought to what your epitaph might be, but I think "Never met a context he couldn't alter to suit his needs" would look just fantastic on a tombstone!
You're addressing that to the wrong person.

Here's one last attempt to get back to the subject of the Burneko article, upon which you've shoveled so much praise along with untold quantities of BS. Of course that's what one does when he's at odds with the facts and losing traction, along with the telltale signals of personal cheap shots and ridicule - he starts acting like a Dick (your term, not mine). None of this changes the absurd primary assertion of the article: America is by design a serial brutalizer of black and brown people; to repeat, this is patently false and nothing you or anyone else can say changes that fact. The core problem is the culture among a segment of the black community as pointed out in this excellent article by Jason Riley (a member of the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board who happens to be black).

“High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination,” wrote Mr. Stuntz. “The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segregation but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans — and of African American control of city governments.” The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and “the system,” but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and ’80s in cities such as Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Washington under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the United States today are run by blacks.


Black people are not shooting each other at these alarming rates in Chicago and other urban areas because of our gun laws or our drug laws or a criminal justice system that has it in for them. The problem is primarily cultural — self-destructive behaviors and attitudes all too common among the black underclass. The problem is black criminal behavior, which is one manifestation of a black pathology that ultimately stems from the breakdown of the black family. Liberals want to talk about what others should do for blacks instead of what blacks should do for themselves. But if we don’t acknowledge the cultural barriers to black progress, how can we address them? How can you even begin to fix something that almost no one wants to talk about honestly?

And there's this:

Today, 73 percent of all black kids are born out of wedlock. Growing up, these kids drop out, use drugs, are unemployed, commit crimes and are incarcerated at many times the rate of Asians and whites — or Hispanics, who are taking the jobs that used to go to young black Americans.


Are white vigilantes or white cops really Black America’s problem?

Black America's real problem isn't white racism

 

RLENT

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Did I mention I watch Fox News? :cool:
So do I ... almost daily ...

The real question isn't whether one watches it or not ... it's whether one watches it uncritically and swallows what they are peddling hook, line, and sinker ...

Same deal with any of 'em ... ;)
 

RLENT

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The straw man was created when a post totally irrelevant to the OP was put up as yet another lame attempt to trash Fox News.
Your use of the definite article "the" above - rather than an indefinite article ("A straw man ...") - seems to indicate that you feel there has been only one straw man offered in this thread.

That itself is factually inaccurate by omission (since it's now a thing) ...

IOW: a lie by omission ...

The content of the post was proven to be false.
Oh I don't think so ... but I think most folks here understand your compulsive need to attempt to alter reality in order to avoid anything which doesn't rock your worldview.

None of this changes the absurd primary assertion of the article: America is by design a serial brutalizer of black and brown people; to repeat, this is patently false and nothing you or anyone else can say changes that fact.
I think this is probably the perfect point for Pulaski to segway into a little dissertation on how slavery of the black man in America was really just an innocuous - nay, a charitable, altruistic - institution, which came about from the good motivations of the slave owners to "care" for those less fortunate than themselves ... to offer them food, shelter, and a purpose for their otherwise meaningless and pitiable lives ...

whipping scars.jpg

Yeah ... clearly no evidence of serial brutalization in that photo ... probably just good Christian brotherly love ...
 
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Turtle

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The straw man was created when a post totally irrelevant to the OP was put up as yet another lame attempt to trash Fox News.
That's not a straw man. The trashing on Fox News was not done in an attempt to refute the OP, but rather was s separate standalone issue.

(On a personal side note, for someone who uses so many logical fallacies in their arguments, you really should do some serious and thorough research on logical fallacies to learn what they are, when and why they are used, the mistake in using them, and how to recognize when you are about to use one so you can stop yourself from doing it. If you could remove logical fallacies from your arguments you'd be one helluva debater, because with your intelligence, people will have no choice but to take you and your arguments seriously, even and especially when they disagree with you. As it is currently, you are doing yourself a great disservice.)

The content of the post was proven to be false.
No it wasn't.

I guessed you missed this sentence: " It doesn't mention Fox News or any other cable networks in particular, but does offer some interesting stats about the networks in general, especially in the spreadsheets provided". I simply thought the information was interesting considering the racial and sexual makeup of television personalities at stations and networks all over the country. Where do you think the big network stars come from? They work their way up from stations in Kansas City, Charlotte and Grand Rapids.
I didn't miss that sentence at all. And while it is interesting, it still doesn't have anything to do with Fox News. Also, while the network stars do work their way up from the local stations, it is clear, particularly from the article you posted, that they do not work teir way up in the same racial percentages.

You're addressing that to the wrong person.
You do realize that that sentence is an attempt to change the context of my post, right?

Here's one last attempt to get back to the subject of the Burneko article, upon which you've shoveled so much praise along with untold quantities of BS. Of course that's what one does when he's at odds with the facts and losing traction, along with the telltale signals of personal cheap shots and ridicule - he starts acting like a Dick (your term, not mine).
Again, unsubstantiated allegations to create a straw man, in order to change the context to enable you to level an ad hominem. That's three logical fallacies in two sentences. Impressive.

None of this changes the absurd primary assertion of the article: America is by design a serial brutalizer of black and brown people; to repeat, this is patently false and nothing you or anyone else can say changes that fact.
America was built on slavery, which was kinda brutal as blacks were property that could be beaten and killed at their owner's will, and when slavery ended Jim Crow laws were put in place to ensure the brutality continued legally, enforcing and reinforcing a culture of racial discrimination that continues to this very day.

The core problem is the culture among a segment of the black community as pointed out in this excellent article by Jason Riley (a member of the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board who happens to be black).

And there's this:
What you describe as the core problem, and what the articles focuses on, is a symptom and not the cause. The core problem, as I have noted elsewhere, is the institutionalized bias in favor of blacks specifically as a result of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which created a sense of entitlement for blacks and a sense of resentment of blacks by whites. Blacks aren't getting what they feel they are entitled to, so out of frustration and anger they tend to do as they please, which sets up the situation where those in power have the opportunity to punish the for it. And those in power just so happen to be the whites who resent the ones they are punishing. Even in situations where blacks are in positions of power, the institutional machine and the bias is still there and in place.

Thus we have the situation today where blacks are more readily suspected and arrested for crimes where whites are given the benefit of the doubt or even given a second chance. Blacks get arrested and are given harsher sentences while whites are given a pass, which of course pushes the statistics to show that more blacks commit crimes. Whites who resent the blacks are not going to see a cause and effect chicken and egg thing, but rather will only look at the numbers from the perspective of what reinforces their bias. And before you even bring it up by pointing out the exceptions, no, I'm not talking in absolutes here. When I say whites and blacks, I'm not talking about every single one of them in all situations with no exceptions. I'm talking the typical, the broad generalizations of the majority within that institutional cultural bias mindset.
 

RLENT

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Yep, there is definitely a lot of 'guilt' going on.
It's not guilt so much as it is a clear-eyed look @ the situation within the full historical context.

How we got to where we are today.

That's quite different from the typical "no-responsibility" take that you get from those who as part of the privileged class can afford to ignore reality while wearing rose-colored glasses ...

Sins of the father(s) and all that ... ;)
 

Turtle

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It's not guilt so much as it is a clear-eyed look @ the situation within the full historical context.

How we got to where we are today.

That's quite different from the typical "no-responsibility" take that you get from those who as part of the privileged class can afford to ignore reality while wearing rose-colored glasses ...

Sins of the father(s) and all that ... ;)
Personally, I don't bear any responsibility, because I had nothing to do with it. Therefor I don't have any guilt over it, either. I have nothing to feel guilty for.

I don't understand the 'guilt' remark at all. It came in response to an unsubstantiated (and incorrect) accusation of one of our EO members, but more than that it was emphasized with "definitely" to mean no doubt, without question, and to be rather obvious. Yet I see no expression of guilt from the EO member nor do I see a general attitude of white guilt emanating from liberals in general regarding the history of racism in this country. While liberals can certainly be a little drama-queen over-the-top on a lot of issues, on the issue of the history (and the present state) of racism in America, liberals tend to have as you noted a clear-eyed and honest view of it. As opposed to conservatives who tend to have the exact opposite views on both counts.

Also, I don't understand why 'guilt' is in single quotation marks. It makes no sense grammatically, philosophically, or even politically. It doesn't even make sense if the single quotation marks were there to represent the "air quotes" of sarcasm. Then again it could mean almost anything. I admit to not having a copy of the New Muttly Redneck Reactionary Conservative English Dictionary, 5th Ed.
 
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