Where's that Republican pride?

DougTravels

Not a Member
1. Obama is simply a puppet for the real powers that be. He was just more manageable than McCain and that's why he won the election.

2. I as a Republican also believe in a woman's right to choose...that's a personal opinion and not a politcal one.

3. No ONE is going to tell me I can not have a weapon!

4. I'm NOT in the closet and I rather suspect you're not as much of a democrat as one would suspect. I think you are misquided and should listen...and truly hear...what we are truly all about!

I am a democrat, a moderate one but a democrat.

As far as learning from the people who put that idiot W. into office twice, sorry but that aint happening. They are the misguided ones.

BTW in the last 3 election I did not vote democratic- I voted against W. twice and against McCain once:D
 

jujubeans

OVM Project Manager
I am a democrat, a moderate one but a democrat.

As far as learning from the people who put that idiot W. into office twice, sorry but that aint happening. They are the misguided ones.

BTW in the last 3 election I did not vote democratic- I voted against W. twice and against McCain once:D

oh please tell me exactly what you do believe in?

on
1. abortion

2. welfare

3. gun control

4. taxes

5. And this last billion dollar bail out...who is going to pay for this? Do you have children? I can't believe that you do, for why would you wish this enormous debt upon your kids and your grandkids?
 

DougTravels

Not a Member
oh please tell me exactly what you do believe in?

on
1. abortion

2. welfare

3. gun control

4. taxes

5. And this last billion dollar bail out...who is going to pay for this? Do you have children? I can't believe that you do, for why would you wish this enormous debt upon your kids and your grandkids?

Abortion-Personally believe it is wrong- but I don't believe I should tell others what to do.

Welfare-some need it, Clinton signed welfare reform and I know that put an end to alot of ADC moms who equated more kids to more free money. There needs to be checks and balances to stop fraud.

Gun Control- I own guns some for protection some for hunting, I want my neighbors to be able to own them too. I think assault rifles should be illegal but then you get in to defining them and it gets tough.

Taxes- The Bush Tax cuts saved me some money but took alot of revenue from the Gov't. I would rather have paid my fair share like under the Clinton years, it seemed to keep the economy running better than W's plan.

The Bail out-and I add the the stimulus pkg.- I just don't know, the idea is that we will get the economy rolling and new income will pay for it. I am skeptical of it all, but I am not knowledgeable enough to know if it will work. I do know that W. left a huge mess and I can only hope that the drastic measures work.

I hope I answered your questions Juju.
 

jujubeans

OVM Project Manager
Abortion-Personally believe it is wrong- but I don't believe I should tell others what to do.

Welfare-some need it, Clinton signed welfare reform and I know that put an end to alot of ADC moms who equated more kids to more free money. There needs to be checks and balances to stop fraud.

Gun Control- I own guns some for protection some for hunting, I want my neighbors to be able to own them too. I think assault rifles should be illegal but then you get in to defining them and it gets tough.

Taxes- The Bush Tax cuts saved me some money but took alot of revenue from the Gov't. I would rather have paid my fair share like under the Clinton years, it seemed to keep the economy running better than W's plan.

The Bail out-and I add the the stimulus pkg.- I just don't know, the idea is that we will get the economy rolling and new income will pay for it. I am skeptical of it all, but I am not knowledgeable enough to know if it will work. I do know that W. left a huge mess and I can only hope that the drastic measures work.

I hope I answered your questions Juju.

You did...and we are not that far apart in our thoughts. See, I knew you were a closet Republican...*l*

Now do you believe that states should have more governing rights than the federal government? I personally think the gov't should stay the hell out of our business. Let the people work that want to and they will succeed. And I sure as heck don't want to support the bums that don't want to.
 

Steady Eddie

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I guess we are up to 3! Bravo!

No Juju Be a Republican that is fine. My point was so many on here state the Republican views daily then won't admit that they are a Republican.

Not really true there Skippy.

Just because non-Libs have the ability to think for themself's doesn't mean they listen to Rush, Republican or not, we can think on our own. Doesn't mean it's a Republican's view. I can understand that the Obamabotts can't think on there own, they need to be lead. This is how dictator's get into power. How else can you explain how Hilter could mold his people to do what they did? No Obama is not Hilter, but have you ever wonder how one man can get so many to do those things?
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Taxes- The Bush Tax cuts saved me some money but took alot of revenue from the Gov't. I would rather have paid my fair share like under the Clinton years, it seemed to keep the economy running better than W's plan.

Actually, the tax cuts provided stimulation for economic activity that resulted in more revenue for the govt. Reason being, it didn't "save you money" - it allowed you to KEEP MORE OF YOUR MONEY to begin with. Remember - the income you earn is NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S MONEY. When we as citizens are allowed to keep more of our income to spend and invest as we see fit, the overall economy sees a greater benefit than when the govt. confiscates it and wastes it. How about the govt. doing with less for a change instead of telling us how much we have to sacrifice? What a quaint idea.

Just for the record, I did vote FOR Bush both times. Given the weakness of the democrat alternatives in those two elections, the choice was an easy one. Granted, Bush wasn't a perfect candidate, but presidential candidates seldom are. I also listen to Rush Limbaugh and Bill Bennett regularly, along with Glen Beck on occasion (I think he's better on TV than radio). I'm sure this will generate the usual hissing from our liberal friends, but you asked and I'm answering. The fact that the current White House has constructed a media Enemies List in their campaign to resurrect the Fairness Doctrine is evidence of their concern for the effectiveness of conservative talk radio's dominance in that field. Since they can't effectively compete in the game, they want to eliminate their opposition's players.

Unfortunately, the GOP simply doesn't have any effective political leaders right now. McCain was a joke, Michael Steele is incompetent, and the Senate and House minority leaders are just nice guys who want to get along with their peers. However - as is always the case - new leaders will emerge between now and 2010. A couple of possibilities might be Mark Sanford of SC and Tim Pawlenty of MN. Hopefully these or others like them will get back to the conservative basics that unite the party instead of trying to follow the new version of Rockefeller Republicans that are just trying to be Democrat light. The Democrats certainly didn't unite their party by moving to the center and trying to be all things to all Democrats and Moderates. When the GOP finds a candidate that will preach the gospel of smaller govt, lower taxes, fiscal responsibility, peace through strength and greater opportunity for every individual without depending on the govt teat, the party's mojo will again be on the uptrend. This will probably conincide with the public's realization that the Obama-sponsored socialism currently being hatched will not work in this country.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Poor Doug. I feel bad about how it sometimes seems he's on the verge of apoplexy. OK, I voted for Bush both times. I really voted against Gore/Kerry more than I voted for Bush but if it will save a stroke or apoplexy I'll say it was voting for Bush.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I would rather have paid my fair share like under the Clinton years, it seemed to keep the economy running better than W's plan.

Hey Doug, I call BS on that one.

If you felt that it was something that mattered and your fair share isn't enough now, then here is the address you can send you check to;

The Department of the Treasury
Office of the Treasurer
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Room 2134
Washington, DC 20220

They will accept any contributions that citizens feel they should provide to help the government.

It is funny though you use that line. The economy was running better under Clinton until 2000 but because of tech boom busting, the housing boom starting, 9/11 and the other things that happen (which didn't include Iraq by the way), what in h*ll did you expect?

Oh and the fair share that everyone pays has zero to do with the economy.

AND Doug, as much as I think I know this answer, why did you file your taxes and take advantage of all the write offs instead of just filing a 1040ez and paying your fair share?
 

Scuba

Veteran Expediter
Typically most libs are brainless they use talking points only. Ie if you are a republican you must listen to Rush. Rush was fun to listen to back in the Clinton days but I haven’t listened to his since. As a republican I have voted for who I thought would do the best for the country, My first presidential election I voted for Regan by the way I was a democrat at the time but I was also a soldier and I was serving under peanut head and I saw a true coward for a leader. He was afraid to act when Americans were in danger. Then I voted for Bush 41 and didn’t like the way things were going and then Clinton came along and I voted for him I bought into his line of crap. But when I saw him lie over and over about his personal life {yes they all give up a right to one once they run for office}. When I heard other democrats say things like yea he was guilty but the punishment doesn’t fit the crime I vowed to never vote democrat again. While the republicans are far from perfect at least when they catch one of them doing something that is illegal or just plain wrong they as a group act against that person. While democrats seem to praise and promote those in their party that do illegal things. Case in point cold cash Jefferson how long ago did they catch him with the bribe money? Why hasn’t he been to trial yet? Stevenson in Alaska was charged with similar charges and in less than eight months he is charged tried and convicted. Oh and now it turns out that the FBI has come clean and admitted that they fabricated evidence and the gov lawyers withheld evidence to prove he didn’t do what he was charged with. Now the timing is real funny all of this happened just in time to make sure he lost the election so a democrat got his seat. Trent Lott says things would have been different if Strong Thruman had been elected president and in fact it would have been since everyone brings something new to the office. Democrats screamed that he was a raciest and needed to step down. But a former kkk member Robert Byrd can go on tv and use the “n” word and democrats think it’s ok. It seems to me that a democrat can say any raciest thing he/she wants to and they will spin it as to say if you took it that way then you are the raciest. If a republican is accused of anything the demos come out screaming that he/she needs to be replaced yet when a democrat is accused of wrong doing they want to wait to see all of the evidence before talking about it. Even then it is rare if they call for that person to step down. In this last election I voted for the only American ticket that was running which was the gop. If obama is truly an American they why is he spending big bucks to fight law suits to keep his birth certificate privet? While democrats want you to just take their word for it they demanded to see Mc Cains because he wasn’t born in the USA but when the gop demands the same from obummer all of a sudden we do not have that right. I love my parents to death but as democrats they are clueless the democrats think you can tax everything in sight and we will be better off for it that is nuts. I didn’t agree with everything Bush 43 did not by a long shot I would love to see out Army set up on the boarder to stop the southern invasion. The democrats mouthpiece nancy piglosey says that it is un-American to round up and arrest illegal’s because they may have kids here. Well is it fair to separate bank robbers from their kids just because they broke the law? Or does it only count if you want illegal’s to vote for you so you can stay in power? In ending I am a republican that doesn’t believe that we do everything right thus the need for at least 2 parties to keep both of them in check. {Which we no longer have} I don’t listen to Rush and I haven’t for years that doesn’t make him wrong. If he was wrong then democrats wouldn’t fear him. But it is the left that makes us look weak and stupid we do not live in a world where people will do the right thing just because it is the right thing.
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
Not a Republican in sight this is too funny!

I vote GOP, Doug. There's no other viable option for conservatives. Unfortunately, the GOP has become diluted by too many liberals and moderates. We need to purge the party of this fifth column and return to basic conservative principles.

Admittedly, I am not optimistic the GOP can or will remain competitive with the Democrats on a national level. Socialism is sweeping across our nation and a majority seem to like it. Unless there is some spectacular rebirth of conservatism, I fear you and your liberal friends will enjoy many years of success at the ballot box. America is changing at an accelerated pace and conservatism has fallen from grace. I see very dark days ahead for freedom loving people.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
yup..Look at me Doug...I've been in a socialist country...well that is what they call it and I don't know why?
for 59 years and look at how I am enslaved....I have no freedom? Yep really downtrodden I'd say...bunk
 

jujubeans

OVM Project Manager
Well Doug, you asked where our pride was...as you can see we have one heck of a lot of pride! But we also quiver in fear at the way the country is going right now. Yet history will repeat itself and the pendulum WILL swing back the other way.
 

Scuba

Veteran Expediter
You are 59 and don’t know why Canada is called a socialist country? Wow that is some education system you must have up there. It is easy for others to see why the high taxation rate to pay for all of Canada’s social programs like healthcare I love it when I hear from a Canadian about how well their health care is yet every time I go to Canada every other commercial on the radio is for health cars ins. If the “free” stuff is so **** good why would anyone buy more? Could it be that those that buy their own health ins don’t have to wait in line for some services? I believe we have more mri machines in Rhode island than Canada has in the eastern providences. We are seeing more and more tv commercials here with Canadians in them telling us about their “free” health care system and how they had to come to America to get treatment because your country decided that the treatment that they needed was too expensive or the waiting time would have killed them. By population compared to land mass Canada is a small country and if they can’t afford to treat their few how could we support our many. Let’s not forget our 3rd world population that Canada doesn’t have. We have more 3rd world people here than the population of some of Canada’s large cities.
We are already to socialist for my taste unlike a democrat I do believe I can make it without the government’s help and if I fail it is my job to pick my Self up dust myself off and try again. The idea that playing field should be equal is stupid. If you truly believe that then everyone that tries out for your favorite ball team should get a spot on it no matter how bad they are. After all don’t you want a level playing field? A level playing field is for losers it means hey I am not as good as the next guy but I really want to be the pitcher so what if I can’t throw the ball far enough to reach home plate. You should be tolerant of me and let me have the job.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
You are 59 and don’t know why Canada is called a socialist country? Wow that is some education system you must have up there. It is easy for others to see why the high taxation rate to pay for all of Canada’s social programs like healthcare I love it when I hear from a Canadian about how well their health care is yet every time I go to Canada every other commercial on the radio is for health cars ins. If the “free” stuff is so **** good why would anyone buy more? Could it be that those that buy their own health ins don’t have to wait in line for some services? I believe we have more mri machines in Rhode island than Canada has in the eastern providences. We are seeing more and more tv commercials here with Canadians in them telling us about their “free” health care system and how they had to come to America to get treatment because your country decided that the treatment that they needed was too expensive or the waiting time would have killed them. By population compared to land mass Canada is a small country and if they can’t afford to treat their few how could we support our many. Let’s not forget our 3rd world population that Canada doesn’t have. We have more 3rd world people here than the population of some of Canada’s large cities.
We are already to socialist for my taste unlike a democrat I do believe I can make it without the government’s help and if I fail it is my job to pick my Self up dust myself off and try again. The idea that playing field should be equal is stupid. If you truly believe that then everyone that tries out for your favorite ball team should get a spot on it no matter how bad they are. After all don’t you want a level playing field? A level playing field is for losers it means hey I am not as good as the next guy but I really want to be the pitcher so what if I can’t throw the ball far enough to reach home plate. You should be tolerant of me and let me have the job.


Health Care makes it socialist? Well darned...you must be half socialist then....with medicare and medicaid.....

One program makes one a socialist?

BTW..that was a long speech about nothing...

Who said everyone has to be treated equally? Sure not Canada.
It is you guys down here putting your garbage spin on things...You know nothing of what you speak...I know little of America..you know less of Canada.
 
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Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
If it makes you feel any better, OVM, I told my wife to take the kids to Canada if something happens to me. I'd rather they be in a more "stable" country.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
If it makes you feel any better, OVM, I told my wife to take the kids to Canada if something happens to me. I'd rather they be in a more "stable" country.

I'd prefer they not feel that they have to move...

Its amazing how the conceived BIG problems are minimized when the economy is moving and everyone is working and making money.....
 
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