What Truck Parking Changes Have You Seen With New HOS?

[ATeam]

Nope, it's ALWAYS the O/O/driver that loses.

Not always. Expediters have scored many large wins because we are the only solution remaining to the customer. I remember one load in particular where the shipper complained that our carrier's rate ate up half of his quarter's shipping budget on the single load we carried.

In the bigger picture, the owner-operator wins every time he or she is able to profitably serve the customer. While the new rules erode our productivity and profitability in certain circumstances, and while the new rules do absolutely nothing to improve safety, expediters can still win, and sometimes they win big while the customer loses big because of circumstances owing to customer failures or faults.

We had it happen once when we and another truck arrived at the same dock in Florida, each to pick up a computer server. Ours went to New Jersey. The other one went to Baltimore. While it would have made better sense for the shipper to put both servers on one truck for a two-stop run, and while, as the shipper said, there was no reason whatsoever to not do so, the shipping person's higher-ups insisted that two trucks be used. Customer fault, expediter win.

One instance of this has already been mentioned on the Open Forum and I expect there will be others. It was an expedite load that was created because the new rules prevented a larger truck from completing a delivery as previously arranged. The expediter was called in to take part of the load so the consignee would continue to be supplied without interruption.

That is a case where the new rules worked in an expediter's favor and the customer lost because he or she had to pay for the additional expedite run.

Trucking is a large, complex field. The effects of one-size-fits-all rules changes will cascade through the industry in numerous ways. Because the industry is so complex, tabulating the winners and losers under the new rules will be complex too.

This thread is about the truck parking effects (when it stays on track), but those are just some of the many effects we will see moving forward.

 

[layoutshooter]

As long as drivers continue to bend over and take it.... It'll get even worse.

They have almost no say. Congress is not doing it's job and the FMSCA is in someone's pocket. The Administration is ALWAYS happy when ANY kind of independent business person is hurt by regulations. Anything short of taking our MRB's in the middle of the freeway will have little effect.

 

[BigCat]

He took the work.. If he feels it is wrong then should refuse it

Again I'm glad you know more than me. I can't refuse a **** thing unless I want to look for another job. Company driver=Forced dispatch.

Now ken since you know so much what should I do? Quit my job?

 

[aquitted]

Again I'm glad you know more than me. I can't refuse a **** thing unless I want to look for another job. Company driver=Forced dispatch.

Now ken since you know so stinking much what should I do? Quit my job?

Fixed it for ya.....Please don't use the Lords name in vein. Just A request.

 

[jjoerger]

Why not fuel before or after the run? Surely your truck will hold enough fuel for a full day of driving.

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[layoutshooter]

Why not fuel before or after the run? Surely your truck will hold enough fuel for a full day of driving.

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We try to fuel when it is time to change drivers to minimize the number of stops we have to make. Not that our planning matters anymore since the government has seen fit to mandate a stop, whether we need it or not. Then we often STILL need to fuel when we change drivers.

The MRB added nearly 2.5 hours to a trip from PA to NS. That equates to more fuel used, more interaction with surface traffic in more crowded areas. SO much fun!

 

[BigCat]

Why not fuel before or after the run? Surely your truck will hold enough fuel for a full day of driving.

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We are only allowed to fuel when we are loaded per the company because they use fuel optimizer and have us fuel once we are mid trip.

Sorry acquitted these guys that know my business make me irate.

 

[jjoerger]

Sounds like micromanaging at its best.

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[aquitted]

We are only allowed to fuel when we are loaded per the company because they use fuel optimizer and have us fuel once we are mid trip.

Sorry acquitted these guys that know my business make me irate.

Yup thats why I don't post on here much anymore.

 

[Turtle]

Sorry acquitted these guys that know my business make me irate.

Getting irate is a little over the top, considering your business isn't expedite and you're posting on an expedite site/ You have to allow for certain assumptions to be made in the context of O/O and independent contractor expedite, since that's the context of the site. I certainly wouldn't get irate at people over on RoadGorilla if they assumed I was a big truck driver instead of a Sprinter driver, for example.

 

[BigCat]

Sounds like micromanaging at its best.

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Call it what you will, they pay fuel and truck payments and I am an employee on w2. I can't argue what they want as long as I am an employee. All companies that have employees do the same thing.

Getting irate is a little over the top, considering your business isn't expedite and you're posting on an expedite site/ You have to allow for certain assumptions to be made in the context of O/O and independent contractor expedite, since that's the context of the site. I certainly wouldn't get irate at people over on RoadGorilla if they assumed I was a big truck driver instead of a Sprinter driver, for example.

I guess im still here cause roadgorilla isnt my cup of tea. I spend more time on TTR.com than I do on road gorilla. But the one that is calling me out on my lack of planning if you want to call it that knows what I drive and for who. But to tell me i should refuse a load or show up late is rediculous. If I could refuse loads I would never run another fedex load but I have to take everything offered. Hence "Employee" and "Forced Dispatch".

Another reason I am still here is I am trying to decide if I want to come back to the expedite side and run team in a T/T.

 

[paullud]

Another reason I am still here is I am trying to decide if I want to come back to the expedite side and run team in a T/T.

I have considered making a switch back to expedite but in a ST not in a van. I am trying to run the numbers and it seems like my wife and I running team would earn more than me being solo in a TT. If I found the right situation with a ST I think we would go for it but if I can train her so we can run team in a TT the money would really start coming in. I like being here because there are many smart people and the discussions aren't limited to expedite.

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[paullud]

Yup thats why I don't post on here much anymore.

Don't let it stop you, if you have an issue with what someone does just shoot them a friendly PM or explode in a thread so everyone gets a good laugh.

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[BigCat]

Don't let it stop you, if you have an issue with what someone does just shoot them a friendly PM or explode in a thread so everyone gets a good laugh.

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Kindof like what I just did? LOL

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Kindof like what I just did? LOL

I do apologize for badgering you earlier.....

 

[paullud]

No one even had time to get their popcorn started.

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[BigCat]

I do apologize for badgering you earlier.....

No sweat I over reacted. It just sucks I have no options, I run it or lose my job. I guess I will be looking to go back in to expedite soon and run team.

 

[Turtle]

But the one that is calling me out on my lack of planning if you want to call it that knows what I drive and for who.

Possibly, but the vast majority of people here don't have the time nor the inclination to keep track of the individual situations of each and every driver. I know I don't. In your case I gave up long ago trying to keep up with your situation, because every time I logged on you were with a different carrier, fleet owner or in a different vehicle. I'm surprised even you can keep track of it.

But to tell me i should refuse a load or show up late is rediculous. If I could refuse loads I would never run another fedex load but I have to take everything offered. Hence "Employee" and "Forced Dispatch".

I don't think it's ridiculous at all, considering expedite is 99% non-forced dispatch and this is an expediting Web site. Unless they know you and your situation and the details of your carrier, casual readers, newbies and non-member readers of the site would get conflicting and confusing information if they were to read that you have no choice to take the load. They all like, "Huh? What? Forced dispatch? Employee? Huh? What? I thought expediting was different than that!" When I read your dilemma my first thought was, "Why didn't he just turn down the load?" My second thought was, "That's not enough time to run the load, so I wouldn't worry much about getting it there on time unless it just worked out that way."

Now that I know you're an employee, my thought is, "Why are you complaining about it? You just take the loads they give you and go where they tell you to go. Easy peasy."

Another reason I am still here is I am trying to decide if I want to come back to the expedite side and run team in a T/T.

See? No one can keep track of what yer doin'.

I'm not suggesting at all that you shouldn't be here, I'm only suggesting that you be mindful that you are here in the context of expediting and all that it entails, and that there are thousands of readers who come and go and read posts without knowing who the posters are or their histories, therefor they cannot read things in the context of the poster, but rather only in the context of expediting. For example, we have a few people here who are expediters, but they aren't the typical expediters because they are home every night. They tend to note that difference in their posts when relevant so that the casual reader won't think the situation about which they are reading is typical.

There are already enough confusing issues just within expedite because of the vast differences between cargo van and CMV expedite vehicles. It's why we get questions about the details of a DOT sleeper in a cargo van, and why we have people with 12,500 pound trucks trying to keep their gross loaded weight below 10,001 pounds so they don't have to log and scale. It's because they're confused. Throw into that mix non-expedite employee and it becomes a veritable extravaganza of confusion for many people. Me included.

The only way things can get more confusing is if you go back to doing landscaping in a big truck with Werner while driving a Sprinter in a multi-carrier model.

Huh? What?

 

[OntarioVanMan]

No sweat I over reacted. It just sucks I have no options, I run it or lose my job. I guess I will be looking to go back in to expedite soon and run team.

This is my thing....
I am Canadian and I see that I am bombarded by this American stuff about fight for freedom and independence....and I see here domestically all these millions of drivers taking it in the shorts and there is no resistance, no civil disobedience yet....no protests on the hill....you all will go and fight in some flea hill across the pond but won't fight for your own way of life?.....you all will sacrific your life literally for your country abroad but won't even put up your job never mind your life here to defend yourselves....heaven be you ever sacrifice a dollar...

 

[highway star]

Civil disobedience... Yeah, that's just what the trucking industry needs cuz, you know, we just aren't hated enough by the public.