US confirms ambassador killed in Libya

[Turtle]

So you believe everything the Libyan president says?

 

[bobwg]

So you believe everything the Libyan president says?

And why should I belive Obamas version???????????????

 

[Turtle]

And why should I belive Obamas version???????????????

I didn't say you should. I asked a simple question, to which you avoided answering.

The only thing I will say that you should do is look at the evidence, look at what makes sense, and make up your own mind.

 

[bobwg]

I didn't say you should. I asked a simple question, to which you avoided answering.

The only thing I will say that you should do is look at the evidence, look at what makes sense, and make up your own mind.

Ok lets see the date is 9/11 attack a US Consulate in Libya rpgs and motars. I think Obama is trying to cover up the lack of security by the US at Embassies and Consulates around the world on a very important date. I wonder if they even bothered to request more security from host countries for the anniversary of 9/11

 

[Turtle]

Ok lets see the date is 9/11 attack a US Consulate in Libya rpgs and motars.

Other than coincidence, what does that mean? Since 2001, how many attacks on embassies or other US entities have we had on the 9/11 anniversary my Islamist?

The fact alone that this attack was on 9/11 in and of itself doesn't prove anything, since the same anniversary date as given us no other attacks. It may very well have been a pre-planned attack for that sate, because of the significance of that date, but there is no way to know that for certain without engaging in conjecture that doesn't even fit with the historical record. It could very well be likely that an attack of some sort was planned, but not necessarily on that specific day, and the protests sparked by the outrage over the Sadek e-mails and the Al Nas TV broadcasts moved the Al Qaeda attacks up to coincide with that date. It's very likely that both the movie protests and the pre-planned attack are to blame, knowing how mob mentality acts and reacts to certain things.

I think Obama is trying to cover up the lack of security by the US at Embassies and Consulates around the world on a very important date. I wonder if they even bothered to request more security from host countries for the anniversary of 9/11

I think he is, too, but not because of that oh, so important date. If attacks on embassies had been going on routinely over the last 11 years on 9/11 you'd have a good argument. The same with the Libyan president who has it was absolutely pre-planned, to a high degree of confidence. If he had that much confidence, then he should have both warned the US Consulate and provided additional security for the embassy. But he didn't. He's got his own agenda, make no mistake about that.

 

[Humble2drive]

The security questions confound me?

It is a fact that when I was assigned to an Embassy there were so many Marines standing around that you would almost trip over them going from one office to the next. And this was in Oslo, Norway. Hardly a hotbed of terrorist activity.
I should note: This was 1986 to 89 during the Reagan years. Think that had anything to do with it?
Just sayin.

 

[Turtle]

There are some who want and need to believe that Obama ordered security to be reduced to little or nothing, including Marines on duty with no ammunition, because they need to Obama to look even more incompetent that he does on his own, or even because they believe that he was actually in on it and was facilitating his Muslim brotherhood's attempts at the attack, because, you know, he's really a secret Muslim (so secret that Muslims are unaware of it, which is pretty secret, lemme tall ya).

 

[layoutshooter]

I don't know about Libya and it's embassy, BUT, when my nephew was working at the Embassy in Romania he, AND the embassy Marine guards, WERE armed but WITHOUT ammunition. That was 2 months ago.

Thank GOD he is no longer in the military. It IS getting stupid. His wife is also leaving as soon as her committment is up. She too has had all the dumb she can handle with the current administration.

 

[Humble2drive]

I don't know about Libya and it's embassy, BUT, when my nephew was working at the Embassy in Romania he, AND the embassy Marine guards, WERE armed but WITHOUT ammunition. That was 2 months ago.

Thank GOD he is no longer in the military. It IS getting stupid. His wife is also leaving as soon as her committment is up. She too has had all the dumb she can handle with the current administration.

Wow! Worst time ever for both spouses to lose income and health coverage at the same time. I wish them the best finding suitable employment.

 

[layoutshooter]

Wow! Worst time ever for both spouses to lose income and health coverage at the same time. I wish them the best finding suitable employment.

Serving in the military is NOT about pay nor benefits. It is about protecting and defending the Constitution, with your life if asked to do so. That is NOT possible and still be able to take orders from Obama. NO income nor benefit is worth betraying an oath. It takes guts to stand up for what is right.

 

[Humble2drive]

Serving in the military is NOT about pay nor benefits. It is about protecting and defending the Constitution, with your life if asked to do so. That is NOT possible and still be able to take orders from Obama. NO income nor benefit is worth betraying an oath. It takes guts to stand up for what is right.

Whatever. That part is obvious. As a father I found myself concerned that they would be okay moving ahead in a bad economy. I still wish them the best.

 

[layoutshooter]

Whatever. That part is obvious. As a father I found myself concerned that they would be okay moving ahead in a bad economy. I still wish them the best.

I worry about them too. However, NO monetary gain nor success is worth betraying an oath.

I did the same when, after 20 years, I received an illegal order from the Clinton administration, I resigned. I am PROUD I did it and PROUD my nephew is following in my footsteps.

They will be fine. She has one more year, he will finish his degree from Penn State in clinical phycalogy before that. He was MUCH smarter than me, he USED his GI bill.

 

[Pilgrim]

There are some who want and need to believe that Obama ordered security to be reduced to little or nothing, including Marines on duty with no ammunition, because they need to Obama to look even more incompetent that he does on his own, or even because they believe that he was actually in on it and was facilitating his Muslim brotherhood's attempts at the attack, because, you know, he's really a secret Muslim (so secret that Muslims are unaware of it, which is pretty secret, lemme tall ya).

All this is conjecture at this point, so here's mine: the problem at the Libyan embassy was that the level of security was inadequate from the get-go. The Obama state dept simply didn't have an adequate awareness of the threat level there and had not taken the necessary precautions either with the presence of Marine guards or the protective measures needed with the physical structure itself. There may have been some sort of advance warnings leading up to the attacks, but it will probably never come out in the American MSM.

The comparative lack of security at the US consulate in Benghazi was disclosed as officials admitted that it was only an "interim facility" with no bullet proof glass, reinforced doors or marine guard. A senior US administration official said it was protected by was a "robust presence" of Libyan and US State Department security officers but concededd it was breached within minutes of the attack on Tuesday night. Libyan army officers suggested that a rescue squad of eight American marines sent by helicopter from Tripoli to Benghazi but was inadequate.

US consulate attack in Libya: security lapses disclosed - Telegraph

In the event, the perimeter was breached within 15 minutes of an angry crowd starting to attack it at around 10pm on Tuesday night. There was, according to witnesses, little defence put up by the 30 or more local guards meant to protect the staff. Ali Fetori, a 59-year-old accountant who lives near by, said: "The security people just all ran away and the people in charge were the young men with guns and bombs."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html

Obama's foreign policy accomplishments are pretty much a myth; agreeing to let the SEALS take out bin Laden is the only candle in his cake, and it was supposed to have put an end to al-qaeda terrorist attacks. Anything that might blow out that candle would be bad in an election year, so it must have been the YouTube clip (that came out back in July) which caused all these embassy attacks to coincidentally erupt on 9/11/2012.
The handling of this entire mess by the Obama administration (denials, apologies, dissembling) has been a display of complete incompetence in foreign policy - and it's being largely ignored by the MSM.

 

[bobwg]

There are some who want and need to believe that Obama ordered security to be reduced to little or nothing, including Marines on duty with no ammunition, because they need to Obama to look even more incompetent that he does on his own, or even because they believe that he was actually in on it and was facilitating his Muslim brotherhood's attempts at the attack, because, you know, he's really a secret Muslim (so secret that Muslims are unaware of it, which is pretty secret, lemme tall ya).

I dont know if Obama or his administration ordered security to be reduced they may have ordered security for normal conditions. Just because there have been no attacks or attempted attacks on 9/11 in the past that we know of since 2001 does not prove that this attack was not planned because of the date. It appears the Obama gang may have ignored the date when they should have put eveyone on high alert and requested the host country which is responsible for security outside of embassy and consulate grounds to increase security

 

[bobwg]

Dont forget that during the Democrat convention Obama and the Dems were spiking the football and end zone type celebration of the killing of Osama Bin Laden on tv which was seen around the world too so can we charge Obama with causing the so called riots and death??????????????

 

[Pilgrim]

Information continues to bubble to the surface of the Libyan embassy fiasco, and every day brings more danming evidence that the Obama administration was not only incompetent in their security measures and threat assessments, but is also making a concerted effort to cover up their incompetence. From today's Wall St. Journal editorial page:

Administration officials also maintained that the diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt, the site of the first attacks this September 11, were properly defended and that the U.S. had no reason to prepare for any attack. "The office of the director of National Intelligence has said we have no actionable intelligence that an attack on our post in Benghazi was planned or imminent," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said last week, calling the security measures in place there "robust."...

Despite all this, U.S. diplomatic missions had minimal security. Officials told the Journal that the Administration put too much faith in weak Libyan police and military forces. The night of the Benghazi attack, four lightly armed Libyans and five American security offices were on duty. The complex lacked smoke-protection masks and fire extinguishers. Neither the consulate in Benghazi nor the embassy in Tripoli were guarded by U.S. Marines, whose deployment to Libya wasn't a priority.

Review & Outlook: The Libya Debacle - WSJ.com

The Republican party needs to be more agressive in pursuing this scandal and making it a campaing issue. Why aren't Mitch McConnell and John Boehner in front of the cameras calling loudly for calling Congress back into session and starting investigations, hearings, etc. into these atrocities. You can bet the farm that if this kind of failure had happened when Bush was president Reid and Pelosi would have been on the news every day blaming him and Condi Rice for the deaths of the four Americans. This is a huge issue that the American public cares about, and the Republicans along with the Romney campaign are letting it pass them by.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Someone really dropped the ball....even a bozo like me can see the need to increase security on occasions like this over there....

 

[davekc]

Obama has it under control since consulting the ladies of "The View".

 

[bobwg]

Obama has it under control since consulting the ladies of "The View".

Dont forget his time on David Letterman show too No time for Commander in CHief duties

 

[Humble2drive]

Someone really dropped the ball....even a bozo like me can see the need to increase security on occasions like this over there....

I have to Agree with the Bozo from Bison.

Plus:

"A source familiar with Stevens' thinking told CNN earlier this week that, in the months leading up to his death, the late ambassador worried about what he called the security threats in Benghazi and a rise in Islamic extremism."

CNN finds, returns journal belonging to late U.S. ambassador - CNN.com