We will keep you son in our prayers. I KNOW how you feel right now. I have been there 3 times. I am SO happy that ALL of my relatives that are getting out. We are AGAIN getting in where we should not. Good luck to your son.
US confirms ambassador killed in Libya
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We will keep you son in our prayers. I KNOW how you feel right now. I have been there 3 times. I am SO happy that ALL of my relatives that are getting out. We are AGAIN getting in where we should not. Good luck to your son.
bobwg
Expert Expediter
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Tortured would be a more accurate term....
bobwg
Expert Expediter
I would say you are correct
Rape is sensationist headline....it more for symbolism...like when the cartels cut off genitals and stuff them down ones throat for the crime of talking.....
Sorry, but RAPE is a form of torture and a means of diminishing the enemy. A FAVORITE of extreme Muslim peoples. Sorry if that offends anyone but it is the reality.
bobwg
Expert Expediter
Foxnews.com Seems Obama Adimistration ignored previous terror attacks in Libya in June and August. On June 6 an IED was thrown at the US Consulate, June 11 the British ambassador survived a RPG attack,June 18 terrorist attack the Tunsian Consulate,Aug 5 the Red Cross building was hit by RPGs. With recent attacks and the fact that 9/11 was coming why is it that the OBama gang did not have all our embassies on high alert and Marines armed with live ammo??????????
It never fails to amaze me how someone can read something utterly ridiculous on the Internet, like Marines guarding a US embassy were not allowed to have ammo, and believe it without any substantiation or confirmation whatsoever. This latest is just another incarnation of the pervasive myth that military "rules of engagement" under Barack Obama have limited soldiers' ability to defend themselves and defeat enemies.
The sole source for the "unarmed Marines" story is Nightwatch, a conservative "intelligence" blog written by former Defense Department analyst John McCrearyand hosted and funded by AFCEA, a defense contractor's lobby group who's sole job it is to scare the begeezus out of people in order to get Congress to appropriate more money for defense spending.
Nightwatch attributed the report to unnamed (and uncounted, and unconfirmed) "USMC blogs." According to McCreary, Anne Patterson (a career foreign service officer who was not a political appointee, and who served under George W as an ambassador to the United Nations and to Pakistan), "did not defend U.S. sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office." And: "She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines."
Other conservative Bloggers including Breitbart, The Washington Free Beacon, FoxNation, and the infamous Glenn Beck's TheBlaze picked it up in fine little solder fashion, and ran with it, parroting and in some cases making up their own little sensational button-pushing "facts" about the story. People read it and believed it. Many still do.
The problem is, it's all a fabricated lie. It's made up out of thin air. It's fantasy. Someone simply thought it up and said to themselves (just like Flounder from Animal House), "Oh, boy! This is gonna be GREAT!!!".
McCreary and his followers are playing to emotions surrounding the four American deaths in Libya, but they don't bother to consider how the Marines might have actually used steel-jacketed, high-powered .223 rifle cartridges in Cairo that they were, in fact, armed with, which was a different situation involving street protesters. Should they have gunned the protesters down? About the only thing the conservative blogosphere knows for sure is: Whatever happened, it must be the president's fault.
The fact is, "approximately 2000 personnel were protesting outside the U.S. Embassy and six individuals entered Embassy grounds. The Marines quickly took control of these six individuals and subsequently turned them over to local security officials." - Major Alex Cross, USMC, Deputy Director of the Marine Liaison Office of the US House of Representatives.
The State Department's own regulations and guidelines for Marine security guards, as approved by the US Marine Corps, require that any duty assigned to them, including any Rules of Engagement, "shall not contravene established Department or Marine Corps policy and shall not unduly jeopardize the safety or well-being of any Marine." Even for government-speak, that's a pretty straightforward way of saying Marines don't lay down their arms or go without ammo if danger is imminent, no matter what a diplomat says.
The sole source for the "unarmed Marines" story is Nightwatch, a conservative "intelligence" blog written by former Defense Department analyst John McCrearyand hosted and funded by AFCEA, a defense contractor's lobby group who's sole job it is to scare the begeezus out of people in order to get Congress to appropriate more money for defense spending.
Nightwatch attributed the report to unnamed (and uncounted, and unconfirmed) "USMC blogs." According to McCreary, Anne Patterson (a career foreign service officer who was not a political appointee, and who served under George W as an ambassador to the United Nations and to Pakistan), "did not defend U.S. sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office." And: "She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines."
Other conservative Bloggers including Breitbart, The Washington Free Beacon, FoxNation, and the infamous Glenn Beck's TheBlaze picked it up in fine little solder fashion, and ran with it, parroting and in some cases making up their own little sensational button-pushing "facts" about the story. People read it and believed it. Many still do.
The problem is, it's all a fabricated lie. It's made up out of thin air. It's fantasy. Someone simply thought it up and said to themselves (just like Flounder from Animal House), "Oh, boy! This is gonna be GREAT!!!".
McCreary and his followers are playing to emotions surrounding the four American deaths in Libya, but they don't bother to consider how the Marines might have actually used steel-jacketed, high-powered .223 rifle cartridges in Cairo that they were, in fact, armed with, which was a different situation involving street protesters. Should they have gunned the protesters down? About the only thing the conservative blogosphere knows for sure is: Whatever happened, it must be the president's fault.
The fact is, "approximately 2000 personnel were protesting outside the U.S. Embassy and six individuals entered Embassy grounds. The Marines quickly took control of these six individuals and subsequently turned them over to local security officials." - Major Alex Cross, USMC, Deputy Director of the Marine Liaison Office of the US House of Representatives.
The State Department's own regulations and guidelines for Marine security guards, as approved by the US Marine Corps, require that any duty assigned to them, including any Rules of Engagement, "shall not contravene established Department or Marine Corps policy and shall not unduly jeopardize the safety or well-being of any Marine." Even for government-speak, that's a pretty straightforward way of saying Marines don't lay down their arms or go without ammo if danger is imminent, no matter what a diplomat says.
I believe the Marines at that embassy were armed with steel-jacketed, high-powered .223 rifle cartridges that they normally carry when on duty at an embassy. No sand required.
We don't know for an absolute fact if the Marines at the US embassy in Cairo were indeed armed with live ammo. Major Alex Cross wasn't there, either. The good major is reporting what he is told to say. I trust he speaks in good faith, but I do not trust the civilians at the State Department or anyone speaking on behalf of the Obama administration.
Very likely, there will be a Congressional investigation about security breaches at our facilities overseas. Obviously, there was a catastrophic breakdown in security. The verifiable truth, not speculation, needs to be made public. There's a lot of political damage control enveloping this crisis. Who in government has a motive to spin this story?
bobwg
Expert Expediter
You belive???? really in other words you dont know for a fact they had ammo or what kind of ammo
No, I don't know for a fact. But I do know what makes sense. I do know two Marines who have had embassy duty. I do know that in the absence of actual information that I'm inclined to believe what makes sense, and the word of two Marines over the unsubstantiated allegations of a wingnut Blogger with an agenda who has a verifiable history of stretching and fabricating the truth, and creative reporting.
I wonder if James Eagan Holmes' attorneys will take this tack in his defense? Look out Warner Brothers!
What if a large group of Christians went ape doodoo over Andres Serrano infamous photograph?
bobwg
Expert Expediter
Foxnews/NBC Libya President says the anti Islam film had nothing to do with the attack in Libya he says in fact that there were no protesters at the time of the attack. The film trailer was available, seen and viewed 6 months ago and then made available on the internet in July. Even though Obama seems to claim the film was the cause the Libya pres says this was attack was pre planned and timed for Sept 11
Reminds me of ANOTHER garbage breath Democrat president who ignored warnings of an attack on an embassy and then lied to cover his sorry butt when it happened.
purgoose10
Veteran Expediter
I saw a clip the other night showing a Female CNN reporter that was on the next block filming and commenting on the attack while it was going on. Haven't seen it since. Having been in several fire fights I can tell you it was very intense. It was a big attack. But I guess they didn't want to make it look bad for OB.
Just because it was made available on the Internet in July doesn't mean very many, or anybody, viewed it then. Fact is very few people viewed it at that time. By the end of August it had less than 80 views.
The movie on YouTube was actually several clips of about 14 minutes each, and were uploaded by the filmmaker, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, in July. Barely anyone took notice of them, barely anyone watched them, just like most YouTube videos. But it was Morris Sadek, the anti-Islamic Blogger who drew the attention of the clips to Egypt and the Arab world when on September 6th, five days before 9/11, he sent out dozens of e-mails to Muslim and other journalists in Arab countries, especially Egypt, informing them of the movie and the clips. People then took notice, people then watched. Two days later in September 8th an excerpt of the YouTube video was broadcast on Al-Nas TV, an Egyptian Islamist television station with definite radical Muslim tendencies (under Egypt's previous management, Al-Nas had their broadcast privileges suspended for promoting Islamic extremism, or technically, "promoting religious or sectarian hatred.”) That also got watched. Two days later the attacks on the embassy took place. Coincidence? Yeah, that must be it, coincidence, with one having nothing whatsoever to do with the other. Pure coincidence.
Of course, the more religious folks will tell you that coincidence doesn't even exist. That God, or Allah, is in complete control of such things as pedestrian as coincidence. They scoff at coincidence. They laugh as coincidence. So which is it, coincidence or divine ordination. Has to be one or the other. What a dilemma.
bobwg
Expert Expediter
The point is the Libya attack was not a result of a protest over the stupid video there were no protesters at the consulate when the attack began which included Rpg fire at the consulate and motars fired at the safe house. Maybe the other things in Egypt that same day were from the video I have my doubts.