US confirms ambassador killed in Libya

xiggi

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"The film that sparked the demonstration is said to have been produced by a 52-year-old US citizen from California named Sam Bacile, and promoted by an expatriate Egyptian Copt"




Could/should these two be charged with a hate crime?

It is this little thing called free speech.

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davekc

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I simply meant that if they never posted the video this tragedy would never have happened.

Possibly, but you can't condone this kind of stuff regardless of whether something is shown or heard. If we follow that thought, should we bomb Eqypt because they burnt the US flag?
I say no, just cut off their foriegn aid.
 

OldGuy

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"The film that sparked the demonstration is said to have been produced by a 52-year-old US citizen from California named Sam Bacile, and promoted by an expatriate Egyptian Copt"



Could/should these two be charged with a hate crime?


Take that politically correct bs out of here please.
 

bobwg

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I simply meant that if they never posted the video this tragedy would never have happened.
That is a load of bull Muslims made the choice to kill they could just have easily made the choice not to resort to violence and kill an just ignore the video or just express their view in non violent ways. It is not the fault of the video it is the fault of the intolerent Muslims to free speech
 

EnglishLady

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Possibly, but you can't condone this kind of stuff regardless of whether something is shown or heard. If we follow that thought, should we bomb Eqypt because they burnt the US flag?
I say no, just cut off their foriegn aid.
I do not condone or have said I did on any of this subject

Take that politically correct bs out of here please.
I cited a paragraph followed from the OP link

That is a load of bull Muslims made the choice to kill they could just have easily made the choice not to resort to violence and kill an just ignore the video or just express their view in non violent ways. It is not the fault of the video it is the fault of the intolerent Muslims to free speech
It was my explanation which I do not consider bull

So much for free speech huh?
Thought it was but not if it doesn't coincide with someone else's obviously .... thats how wars start y'know, misunderstanding, miscommunication, ignorance
 

muttly

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I simply meant that if they never posted the video this tragedy would never have happened.

Yes, I understood the first time. The trajedy happened due to the people who committed the violent act period. There is a gazillion ways for someone to say something to be offensive. Resorting to violence and killing someone because of it, is not a good explanation.
 

Pilgrim

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This just in (bold emphasis mine):
A London think tank with strong ties to Libya speculated Wednesday that Stevens was actually the victim of a targeted al Qaeda revenge attack.The assault "came to avenge the death of Abu Yaya al-Libi, al Qaeda's second in command killed a few months ago," the think tank Quilliam said Wednesday. It was "the work of roughly 20 militants, prepared for a military assault," the think tank said, noting that rocket-propelled grenade launchers do not normally appear at peaceful protests, and that there were no other protests against the film elsewhere in Libya.
The planned attack came in two waves, one which prompted U.S. officials to leave the consulate for a secure location. The second wave was directed at the place of retreat, Quilliam said, citing unnamed sources on the ground in Benghazi and abroad.

Attack may have been Al Qaeda revenge plot, London think tank says – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs
 

skyraider

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I do not condone or have said I did on any of this subject


I cited a paragraph followed from the OP link


It was my explanation which I do not consider bull


Thought it was but not if it doesn't coincide with someone else's obviously .... thats how wars start y'know, misunderstanding, miscommunication, ignorance

Hey guys, now don't get EL all riled up, she knows the Queen and we will all be in Afgan land with Harry cleaning copter blades and shinning shell casings, u just wait and see.
 

layoutshooter

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One must be VERY naive to believe that the attack on the U.S. Embassy was in response to that 'movie'. This was a PLANNED attack. One would also have to be VERY naive to believe that the OTHER demonstrations etc, since this 'movie' came out are spontaneous.

To apologize for the exercise of free speech is childish.
 

Wolfeman68

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One must be VERY naive to believe that the attack on the U.S. Embassy was in response to that 'movie'. This was a PLANNED attack. One would also have to be VERY naive to believe that the OTHER demonstrations etc, since this 'movie' came out are spontaneous.

To apologize for the exercise of free speech is childish.

Doesn't everyone have rpg's and ak's in their basements????

Of course it was planned!!

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Pilgrim

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The attacks on our embassies continue:
Chanting "death to America" and "death to Israel," hundreds of protesters angered by an anti-Islam film stormed the U.S. Embassy compound in Yemen's capital and burned the American flag on Thursday, the latest in a series of attacks on American diplomatic missions in the Middle East.

Protesters storm U.S. Embassy in Yemen in new attack - latimes.com

These attacks (possibly coordinated?) bring to mind the ones against us in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 that were linked to Al Qaeda. It's been said that the lack of a forceful response by the Clinton administration is what emboldened bin Laden to press ahead with bolder attacks against the US on its own soil. Only time will tell how the Obama administration will handle its first true foreign policy crisis in the middle of a political campaign.
 
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