I think there's more than enough truckers and their families To make a difference a lot of truckers just take it in the shorts and don't say nothing except at the counter at the truck stop It would be good to get the AAA on our side to work together
Trucks Not Moving From Pumps
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I think there's more than enough truckers and their families To make a difference a lot of truckers just take it in the shorts and don't say nothing except at the counter at the truck stop It would be good to get the AAA on our side to work together
what we should do is for thankgiven holiday everybody go home for 5 days no trucks on the road
and see what would happpen
or start driving the speed limit and no speeding drive 60 miles per hour
go by the book, when you get to pick up or del and they hold you up drive to park it point and shut down for 10 hours
when in a work zone slow down 5 under speed limit
things would be late and nothing could be down as you were going by letter of the law
and we should beable to get them to listen and change the law
start to day
and see what would happpen
or start driving the speed limit and no speeding drive 60 miles per hour
go by the book, when you get to pick up or del and they hold you up drive to park it point and shut down for 10 hours
when in a work zone slow down 5 under speed limit
things would be late and nothing could be down as you were going by letter of the law
and we should beable to get them to listen and change the law
start to day
Brisco
Expert Expediter
Great Comeback K.............But............
50's & 60's?? Hell..........With what was being discussed here with the Logbooks.......I've had to adjust my logbooks many times during the years I was out there....AND I too was probably as ANAL as Phil is at times when it came to doing everything "By The Book" within DOT Rules & Regs.
Yes, Phil always has been a "Pampered" CONTRACT DRIVER........being told WHAT to do....HOW to do it.........WHEN..........Etc. I still have the Strong Opinion that while Phil may have been, has always been, a GREAT Contract Driver............He would FAIL Miserably if he ever got out there ON HIS OWN.......know what I mean.
But...but by the postings no one has ever fudged a book or 2 ....all straight arrows it appears....no one has ever tossed a book away... No one has ever ripped pages out. Z no one has ever had to wait for logs to catch up... Amazing I say....
paullud
Veteran Expediter
I never claimed that I never cheated, I just don't anymore. At a former company I was encouraged to run well over my hours and sneak some oversized boats through at night without permits.
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zorry
Veteran Expediter
This brings back quite a funny memory.
The day I walked into a carrier and announced "As of today I am running 100% legal."
Quite a discussion ensued where I was informed that they had company trucks to do the legal stuff and ICs to do the "Hard Stuff".
I ran legal and soon switched carriers when it was obvious they were not going to tolerate my actions.
I prefer running legal, for the same reason that I prefer telling the truth and being neat & organized: it's easier.
When I started driving [t/t], the split sleeper made it easier to stay legal, but the Agency changed that and it got harder. Now they've made it harder still, by adding a 30 minute break that MUST be taken according to the clock, with no provision for the times when delays & lack of parking prevent staying on a rigid schedule, and the penalty for what they term "an egregious violation" is worse than driving with an open container of alcohol in the drink holder - that's just plain nuts. I can plan to be in a certain place at a certain time, but if the shippers & consignees and the other drivers on the roads don't play along, my plans are good for nothing - there's only so much I can control.
I prefer being legal, but if I'm forced to choose between taking a break when the clock says I have to, or when the driver [me] thinks it adviseable, I say again: I'd rather be safe than right.
When I started driving [t/t], the split sleeper made it easier to stay legal, but the Agency changed that and it got harder. Now they've made it harder still, by adding a 30 minute break that MUST be taken according to the clock, with no provision for the times when delays & lack of parking prevent staying on a rigid schedule, and the penalty for what they term "an egregious violation" is worse than driving with an open container of alcohol in the drink holder - that's just plain nuts. I can plan to be in a certain place at a certain time, but if the shippers & consignees and the other drivers on the roads don't play along, my plans are good for nothing - there's only so much I can control.
I prefer being legal, but if I'm forced to choose between taking a break when the clock says I have to, or when the driver [me] thinks it adviseable, I say again: I'd rather be safe than right.
Heres what will fix the problem with the T/T guys at the fuel pumps. IF every truckstop would have a towing company sitting at the back lot and if a driver walks to the building without pulling his T/T forward, then it gets towed everytime. Its just that simple.
moose
Veteran Expediter
Thanks you Mr. Sprinter for wishing us REAL drivers many years of fresh golden eggs laying.
if you opted out not to walk the walk, just keep your fine solutions to yourself.
frankly, after washing out all the wrong solutions given by drivers that are not forced to comply, we actually have a vague idea of what needs to be done.
check it out.
if you opted out not to walk the walk, just keep your fine solutions to yourself.
frankly, after washing out all the wrong solutions given by drivers that are not forced to comply, we actually have a vague idea of what needs to be done.
check it out.
moose
Veteran Expediter
like i posted here before, the 'adverse conditions allowance', is pretty clear about this. if a driver is running into unexpected delay in traffic, all he have to do is flag the word 'adverse', & continue to the next available parking spot, which will void the violation.
i can post the link once more, just ask.
this is true not only for the 30/11/14/70, but also for other appointments.
but you HAVE to flag it when it happen.
At one point, [when I drove T/T], I was so tired I actually considered that - for about 30 seconds. Not on the road, but in the 3rd rest area with no spaces left when I needed to park. But I knew the truck would get towed, I'd be charged with every single law the bean counters could make fit, lose my job, and face thousands in fines and costs, and no one else would giveadam. These days, there would probably be a charge for 'making terroristic threats' tossed in, too, just because.
Thanks, Moose, but does 'adverse' cover hours waiting for the shipper to load or the consignee to unload the truck? And does spending 2 hours waiting at the shipper, doing nothing, allow us to forego the 30 minute break we don't need?
The rules are based upon a scenario of trucking that isn't realistic and doesn't work - particularly in expediting.
moose
Veteran Expediter
adverse driving conditions"
Scope of rules in this part. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
"...or unusual road and traffic conditions, none of which were apparent on the basis of information known to the person dispatching the run at the time it was begun."
so your example of rush Hours traffic crossing Atlanta, as you so smarties decided- cannot stand.
a 3am packed rest area probably won't as well.
but an noon 'adverse' flag at same location probably will.
& so on.
"as defined in §395.2, "
"and cannot, because of those conditions, safely complete the run within the maximum driving time permitted"
again, the key word here "run".
you can claim ANY adverse condition as you feel like, so long as it created an unexpected delay.
AND you can interpenetrate the word 'run' as you feel like, so long as a judge will find it correct.
395.2: hours of service: clearly include the new HOS previsions:Maximum driving time for property-carrying vehicles. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
then you can also use old age methods, if you cannot make it to a safe parking location within the allowed time, simply have a person signed your logs, and explain to him what it is he is signing responsibility for.
BTDT...
Scope of rules in this part. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
"...or unusual road and traffic conditions, none of which were apparent on the basis of information known to the person dispatching the run at the time it was begun."
so your example of rush Hours traffic crossing Atlanta, as you so smarties decided- cannot stand.
a 3am packed rest area probably won't as well.
but an noon 'adverse' flag at same location probably will.
& so on.
"as defined in §395.2, "
"and cannot, because of those conditions, safely complete the run within the maximum driving time permitted"
again, the key word here "run".
you can claim ANY adverse condition as you feel like, so long as it created an unexpected delay.
AND you can interpenetrate the word 'run' as you feel like, so long as a judge will find it correct.
395.2: hours of service: clearly include the new HOS previsions:Maximum driving time for property-carrying vehicles. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
then you can also use old age methods, if you cannot make it to a safe parking location within the allowed time, simply have a person signed your logs, and explain to him what it is he is signing responsibility for.
BTDT...
Moose, I've read the regs, and understand that being unexpectedly detained at the shipper for hours doesn't count, [without which I would have been through Atlanta long before rush hour], but it's what we have to deal with. Ignoring it leaves us between a rock & a hard place too often, where legal is unsafe and vice versa.
And I kind of think that if I ever have to explain what I logged to a judge, no matter how I 'interpenetrated' [dam, but I love your typos, lol] it, then I've already lost.
And I kind of think that if I ever have to explain what I logged to a judge, no matter how I 'interpenetrated' [dam, but I love your typos, lol] it, then I've already lost.
moose
Veteran Expediter
nobody talk about ignoring the problem.
someone talk about doing the best we can within the law limits.
reading the law might even help.
& it wasn't a typo, i'v actually Googled it before posting " if one substance interpenetrates another, or if two substances interpenetrate, they spread into each other and become mixed"
just thought it can add to the "WTF are all those rules about anyway" confusions effect.
they have the old rules, now they have a new rules- that becomes mixed...oh and there's another rule that void them altogether.
good choice of wording- me thinking!
someone talk about doing the best we can within the law limits.
reading the law might even help.
& it wasn't a typo, i'v actually Googled it before posting " if one substance interpenetrates another, or if two substances interpenetrate, they spread into each other and become mixed"
just thought it can add to the "WTF are all those rules about anyway" confusions effect.
they have the old rules, now they have a new rules- that becomes mixed...oh and there's another rule that void them altogether.
good choice of wording- me thinking!