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Hillary Clinton is the Democrat party gift that keeps on giving. What/who is MAGA anyway? According to her and probably most other Democrats, it's anybody that supports Trump. That would probably include the "Deplorables" to whom she referred in 2016.

"Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said there needs to be a “formal deprogramming” of supporters of former President Donald Trump, calling them “cult members.”
"Maybe there needs to be a formal deprogramming of the cult members,” the former Democratic presidential nominee said in a CNN interview posted Thursday."


 
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More on the appellate court ruling in Trump's favor. This is fair and reasonable, and allows the defense to present its case despite the political animosity and grandstanding from the state.

 
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NY Appeals Court Hands Trump One Win and One Loss

On 9/6/23, Judge Engoron issued an order that found Trump et al liable for fraud, canceled Trump's New York business certificates, and ordered that control of Trump's New York businesses be given to a court-appointed receiver to dissolve those companies. He modified one date and provided additional instructions in his order dated Oct. 4.

On 9/28/23, Trump appealed the order. Trump asked for two things: 1. a stay of the trial pending the appeal of Judge Engoron's ruling, and 2. A reversal of Judge Engoron's ruling.

Today, 10/6/23, referencing both Engoron orders, the Appellate Division denied all aspects of Trump's appeal, except one. The aspect that was not denied pertained to the business certificates. Per the Appellate Division's order, the cancellation of the business certificates is stayed.

This is breaking news and I'm not sure how to interpret the Appellate Division's order. We'll learn more after the legal experts offer their commentaries.

For now, it seems to me that everything Engoron has ordered regarding the dissolution of NY Trump's businesses remains in place, except that the cancellation of the business certificates is stayed.

The stay is not permanent. Trump asked for an "interim stay."

Per Google Bard, "An interim stay is a temporary pause in a legal proceeding. It is typically granted while an appeal is pending. The purpose of an interim stay is to prevent irreparable harm from occurring to the appellant while the appeal is being decided."
 
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More on the appellate court ruling in Trump's favor. This is fair and reasonable, and allows the defense to present its case despite the political animosity and grandstanding from the state.
Staying the cancellation of Trump's business certificates seems reasonable to me too. While Engoron has ordered several administrative actions that lead to the dissolution of Trump's NY companies, None of them change anything about the businesses themselves or immediately interfere with their ability to operate.

Receivers can still be recommended, certain responsibilities can be assigned by the Court, information about all entities having certificates can be fully disclosed to the Court, etc. But a business cannot legally operate without a business certificate. If the certificates are canceled and it later turns out that Engoron is overturned on appeal, irreparable harm would come to those businesses.

I find it very interesting that while the Appellate Division recognized that, and ruled to not cancel the certificates, it let stand all other aspects of Engoron's orders. The Appellate Division is letting the trial itself proceed and all administrative actions ordered Engoron remain in force.

It is also interesting to learn that AG James did not oppose the stay of the certificates. (Source)
 
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Can you tell us, what exactly Trump won in this ruling? What does he have now that he did not have before the ruling? What exactly did he ask for and did he get it? And this thing or things he got in the ruling, why exactly is it a "legal victory" as the headline suggests?
 
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Time, so he campaign and go up in the polls more.
Has anyone noticed that the evidence clearly indicates Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice and the crimes related to the mishandling of documents? Does it concern no one that he actually endangered national security and undermined our justice system? Does winning an election to regain power to absolve himself of these crimes not stimulate even a quiver of concern for the state of the union if that were to actually happen. Is it actually true that MAGA is an actual Trump cult, and nothing he says or does is wrong?
 
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Has anyone noticed that the evidence clearly indicates Trump is guilty of obstruction of justice and the crimes related to the mishandling of documents?
Only the brainwashed haven't noticed.
Does it concern no one that he actually endangered national security and undermined our justice system?
It greatly concerns the rational.
Does winning an election to regain power to absolve himself of these crimes not stimulate even a quiver of concern for the state of the union if that were to actually happen.
No.
Is it actually true that MAGA is an actual Trump cult, and nothing he says or does is wrong?
Apparently.
 
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Questions Answered in Court; Week of 10/01/23

Running Total

*Trump-Favorable Answers: 8
Trump-Adverse Answers: 130
Trump Win Rate: 6.15%

Answered This Week:

Yes, a gag order is issued forbidding any posts, emails or public remarks about members of Judge Engoron’s staff. 10/3/23, Engoron

Yes, Trump et al must disclose all New York business entities, and all people having beneficial ownership in them, to a court monitor, and the defendants are enjoined from moving, transferring, renaming, or otherwise changing ownership of those assets without first notifying the monitor. Applications for new NY business entities must also be reported to the monitor. 10/4/23, Engoron

No, Trump’s New York fraud trial will not be paused while a Trump appeal is considered. 10/6/23, Appeals Court Judge Moulton

*Yes, Trump is granted an interim stay of the cancellation of Trump’s NY business certificates. 10/6/23, Appeals Court Judge Moulton

*Yes, certain pretrial deadlines in the FL documents case will be paused while the judge considers Trump’s motion to delay the trial until after the Nov. 2024 election. 10/6/23, Cannon

Answered in Previous Weeks:
No, 62 lawsuits filed by Trump making various 2020 election claims are not valid. 11/20 - 1/21, Judges in 62 courts
Yes. Trump’s defamation lawsuit against CNN is dismissed. 11/23/20, Singhal
Yes. Trump’s defamation lawsuit against the New York Times is dismissed. 3/9/21, d’Auguste
Yes, the Trump defamation lawsuit against the Washington Post is dismissed, 2/10/22, Contreras
No, Meadows and other Trump aids cannot assert executive privilege to avoid testifying before the Jan. 6 Committee. 3/8/22, Chutkan
No, Mike Pence does not have executive privilege to avoid testifying before the Jan. 6 Committee. 3/8/22, Boasberg
*No, NYC Mayor de Blasio does not have the right to cancel Trump’s contract to run the Ferry Point Golf Course. 4/8/22, James
No, former national security advisor Robert O’Brien cannot assert executive privilege to avoid testifying before the Jan. 6 Committee. 4/21/22, Jackson
No, former White House Counsel Cipollone cannot claim executive privilege to avoid testifying before the grand jury. 7/1/22, Chutkan.
Yes, NY AG James will sue the Trump Organization claiming $250 million in fraud. 9/21/22
Yes, an independent monitor is appointed to thwart Trump's attempt to move his business legal structure out of New York jurisdiction. 11/14/22
No, Judge Cannon does not have jurisdiction to appoint a special master. Cannon's ruling is reversed. 12/1/22, 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.
No, special rules cannot be written by Judge Cannon for Trump because he is a former president. 12/1/22, 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.
Yes, Trump's lawsuit challenging the Mar-a-Lago search will be dismissed due to a lack of jurisdiction. 12/12/22, Cannon
Yes, the Trump Organization is guilty of 17 counts of tax fraud. 12/6/22, Jury
No, the NY AG lawsuit will not be dismissed. 1/6/23, Engoron
Yes, Trump is ordered to pay $938,000 in legal fees to Hillary and others, because Trump abused the legal system. 1/19/23, Middlebrooks
Yes, Trump attorney Corcoran must testify because attorney client privilege does not apply (furtherance of a crime). 3/17/23,Howell
No, the NY AG lawsuit against Trump et al will not be delayed. 3/21/23 Engoron
No, John Eastman does not have executive privilege to withhold documents from the Jan. 6 Committee3/28/23, Carter
Yes, the 2019 Carroll lawsuit can be amended to include Trump's CNN remarks. 6/13/23, Kaplan
*Yes, the scope of the lawsuit brought by NY AG James is limited by the statute of limitations, and Ivanka Trump is thereby dismissed from the suit. 6/27/23, New York Appellate Division
No, Trump is not immune from defamation charges because he was president. 6/29/23, Kaplan
No, Fani Willis will not be disqualified from working on the GA election interference case. GA Supreme Court, 7/17/23
No, the GA Special Grand Jury report will not be thrown out. 7/17/23, GA Supreme Court
Yes, Trump is a rapist. 7/19/23, Kaplan
Yes, the $5 million in damages the jury said Trump must pay Carroll is reasonable. 7/19/23, Kaplan
No, the falsified records case will not be moved to federal court. 7/19/23, Hellerstein
Yes, Cohen and Trump will settle Cohen's lawsuit claiming millions in unpaid legal fees. 7/21/23
No, the documents trial will not be postponed until after the election. 7/21/23, Cannon
Yes, the defamation lawsuit Trump filed against CNN is dismissed because the judge rules it is "not actionable." 7/28/23, Singhal
*Yes, Trump is protected by presidential immunity regarding two defamatory statements he made against a PA voting machine supervisor when Trump was president. 7/31/23, Erdos
No, Trump is not protected by presidential immunity regarding one defamatory statement he made against a PA voting machine supervisor after Trump left office. 7/31/23
Yes, the GA Special Grand Jury report can be used against Trump. 7/31
No, Fani Willis will not be disqualified from prosecuting Trump. 7/31
Yes, Trump will be deposed under oath regarding the $500 million lawsuit he filed against Cohen. 7/31/23
Yes, the Miami grand jury will continue its investigation and produce additional indictments, even after it first indicted Trump. 8/1/23
Yes, Trump will be indicted on charges concerning the 2020 election. 8/3/23
Yes, the Trump deposition transcript from the Carroll trial will be given to DA Bragg. 8/3/23
No, Trump's request for a delayed response to DOJ's protective order motion will not be granted. 8/5/23
Yes, Trump’s counter-defamation suit against E. Jean Carroll is without merit and is dismissed 8/7/23, Kaplan
*No, the Special Counsel may not file under seal evidence of conflicts RE attorney Woodward. 8/7/23, Cannon
Yes, the DOJ can have its requested Garcia hearing regarding Woodward conflicts. 8/7/23, Cannon
No, the protective order hearing date will not be delayed. 8/8/23, Chutkan
Yes, Trump is prohibited from making inflammatory statements about the election interference case. 8/11/23, Chutkan
*No, the protective order will not be as broad as DOJ requests. 8/11/23, Chutkan
No, Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Merchan will not recuse himself from the Manhattan falsified business records case. 8/14/23
Yes, Trump (and 18 co-defendants) will be indicted by a Fulton County grand jury on RICO and other charges. 8/15/23
Yes, the appeal Trump filed RE Carroll is frivolous and is denied for that reason. 8/18/23, Kaplan
No, the second Carroll defamation trial scheduled for 1/15/24 will not be delayed. 8/18/23, Kaplan
No, the May, 2024 Mar-a-Lago documents trial date will not be changed to a later date. 8/21/23, Cannon
Yes, Trump will have bail conditions and a $200,000 bond in GA. 8/21/23, McAfee
No, the GA RICO case will not be delayed while Trump aids seek its removal to federal court. 8/23/23, Jones
Yes, the DOJ request to bar Trump from being deposed in lawsuits brought by former FBI agents Strzok and Page (because he was president) is denied. 9/1/23, DC Appeals Court
Yes, Trump’s federal election interference trial date is set for March 4, 2024. 8/29/23, Chutkan
No, the Trump legal team may not file amicus briefs in this criminal case. 8/29/23, Chutkan
Yes, the petition for a writ of habeas corpus filed by the Trump legal team is denied. 8/29/23, Chutkan
Yes, the motion to intervene submitted by the Trump legal team is denied. 8/29/23, Chutkan
Yes, a partial summary judgement is granted. Trump is liable for defamatory statements against E. Jean Carroll. The Jan. 2024 trial is needed only to set the monetary damages. 9/6/23, Kaplan
Yes, Trump’s request to stay the NY state $250 million civil fraud trial is completely without merit. The trial will proceed as scheduled. 9/6/23, Engoron
Yes, a state lawsuit (Colorado) will be filed seeking to keep Trump’s name off the presidential ballot on 14th Amendment grounds. 9/6/23
Yes, the 14th Amendment lawsuit filed in Colorado was improperly removed by Trump to federal court, and will be sent back to state court. 9/12/23, Brimmer
No, Trump may not speak about classified information with defense counsel outside of a SCIF. 9/13/23, Cannon
No, the second Carroll trial will not be delayed. 9/13/23, US 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals.
*Yes, Trump’s GA RICO case (and those of 16 others) will be severed from the two co-defendants who are demanding a speedy Trial. 9/14/23, McAfee
Yes, Trump’s motion for relief from a previous ruling (sanctions imposed for frivolous lawsuit) is denied. 9/15/23, Middlebrooks
Yes, the DOJ motion requesting limits on Trump’s speech will be redacted and unsealed. 9/15/23, Chutkan
Yes, a protective order opposed by Trump shall be issued that prohibits threats and intimidation in the Colorado 14th Amendment lawsuit. 9/22/23, Wallace
Yes, Trump’s request for a summary judgement is denied. Engoron, 9/26/23
Yes, Trump repeatedly committed massive fraud for many years. Engoron, 9/26/23
Yes, Trump’s New York business certificates shall be canceled and the businesses shall be placed in receivership and dissolved. Engoron, 9/26/23
No, Judge Chutkan will not recuse herself from the federal election subversion case. Chutkan, 9/27/23
Yes, the DOJ motion to Ensure that Extrajudicial Statements will not Prejudice will be heard. Chutkan, 9/29/23

Disclaimer: This ongoing compilation is done on a best-efforts basis. If I miss or get something wrong, kindly advise me and I'll correct the list. Where a ruling has been appealed to a higher court, the higher court's ruling is shown when made. The lower court's ruling remains on the list, as it was a question answered at the time.
 

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*Yes, certain pretrial deadlines in the FL documents case will be paused while the judge considers Trump’s motion to delay the trial until after the Nov. 2024 election. 10/6/23, Cannon
As I have said before, a practical effect of Cannon's willingness to delay the FL documents and obstruction of justice case is to clear the calendar for Jack Smith's prosecution of the federal election subversion case. Cannon is actually doing Smith a big favor by keeping these two major trials from overlapping on the calendar.

The more rulings Cannon makes, the more it seems to me that she is very much biased in Trump's favor. It seems to me she is being very careful to assist Trump in delaying the case, while not going to far in her rulings so as to give DOJ grounds to appeal her rulings, or to have her removed from the case.

With the cooperation of this Trump-sympathetic judge, Trump is likely to succeed in delaying this trial until after the election. It is important to note that he is not succeeding in halting the administration of justice. The case against him is strong. Just as a number of trials that Trump has previously delayed are now underway, the clock is ticking on the FL trial and it will eventually happen.

The only way for this trial to go away would be for Trump to win the 2024 election, and then in a totally corrupt action, use the powers of the presidency to direct the DOJ to withdraw the charges. Trump supporters place great hope in that possibility. I think it is highly unlikely.
 
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Just Trying to Imagine

As I review the court rulings, findings and orders regarding Trump since the 2020 election, I can't help but wonder what kind of legal operation he has, and what it must be like to be Trump, who now receives news from the courts several times a week.

There are recent motions or trial activity regarding six trials; E. Gene Carroll, NY AG James, Manhattan AG Bragg, FL documents case, DC election subversion case, GA RICO/election subversion case. Some of these cases have dozens of named co-defendants, who are conducting their own motions activity and generating various court rulings and findings.

Pretty much every business day, Trump receives news of important court developments. Most of the time (93.9% of the time to be exact), the rulings, findings and orders are Trump-adverse. That would be close to 100% if we counted not just Trump's results but the results of the co-defendants too. Day after day, week after week, month after month, Trump learns of his new court losses.

I could be wrong about this, but I imagine Trump has a person or a team who has the job of tracking all the developments and briefing Trump on them every day, or more often if developments warrant. That's not a job I'd want, the job of bringing Trump bad news nearly every day.

I used to wonder why this does not seem to wear him down. For most people, even a single charge is a devastating blow. But Trump seems as energetic and defiant as ever. Then I realized Trump feeds off these conflicts. They energize him. While that has its advantages, it does not lead him to produce good legal strategies. He develops bad strategies, which is why he repeatedly loses in court.

His strategies are well suited to stir the public-opinion pot and attract political support. But if he wants to stay out of jail, he would be well advised to fight his legal battles in court, not the court of public opinion. And even if he does that, the nature and scope of his crimes are likely to put him in jail just the same.
 
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Can you tell us, what exactly Trump won in this ruling? What does he have now that he did not have before the ruling? What exactly did he ask for and did he get it? And this thing or things he got in the ruling, why exactly is it a "legal victory" as the headline suggests?

Time - and he got it.

How much time? Time for what?
For those who haven't been keeping up with the Trump trial calendar, Judge Cannon was the first to set her trial date for May 20, 2024. The DC judge Chutkan was next, and set her date for March 4th - two months ahead of the Cannon trial and not coincidentally the day before Super Tuesday. This is not only blatant election interference, but also an intent to deny Trump's attorneys the ability to provide an effective defense by requiring them to deal with two complicated cases that would overlap. Cannon has blown up this strategy with her decision to pause the proceedings, with the likely result being to put more time between these two trials. There are millions of pages to be reviewed by the defense team, and the govt is dragging their heels in turning over evidence. It would be no surprise to see the documents trial delayed until after the Nov 24 election. This is only fair and reasonable considering these are the two most important cases pending against Trump.

“The March 4, 2023 trial date in the District of Columbia, and the underlying schedule in that case, currently require President Trump and his lawyers to be in two places at once,” Trump’s lawyers wrote, according to CBS News. “And, months after the Office’s representation to the Court, discovery is not complete in this case—including with respect to the classified documents at issue in more than 25% of the [Espionage Act] counts in the Superseding Indictment.”
Of course, this was Jack Smith’s plan all along. Make it impossible for Trump’s lawyers to navigate between Washington DC and Florida by scheduling court dates on top of each other.

The attorneys said the classification reviews and most basic discovery have not been handed over by DOJ prosecutors."

 
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