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ATeam said:
You keep coming back to that unrelated electors case. At some point you'll realize it does not apply. What happened then is different than the crimes the fake electors committed for Trump. Note that not all alternate electors for Trump are being charged. Some truly declared themselves to be alternates in the actions they took and documents they produced. Others perpetrated a fraud. Those are the ones now in trouble.
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It’s obvious to anyone over 10 years old that they were alternate electors to be used in case the legally challenged objections were successful.
 
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Here in Michigan they’re rounding up seniors 3 years later for a document discrepancy. A document where they signed that they convened at the capitol when instead they met in the Michigan Republican Party basement. Why didn’t the just meet at the Capitol to have the meeting? Because Gov Witmer ordered all the doors locked and people turned away.

They want to send these seniors away for 14 years over a document they signed and charging them with forgery because it said Capitol instead of where they met at. A document that wasn’t even used.
Here is an article from around that time:

www.westernjournal.com

Police Bar Group Claiming To Be GOP Electors from Michigan Capitol, Say Electors Are Already There

Michigan police to blocked a group claiming to be alternate electors for Trump from entering the state Capitol in Lansing Monday.
www.westernjournal.com www.westernjournal.com

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It’s obvious to anyone over 10 years old that they were alternate electors to be used in case the legally challenged objections were successful.
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It's not obvious to the prosecutors who are now bringing a credible case to court. And it will not likely to be obvious to the jurors who may find the fake electors guilty.
 
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“Crime”
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It's actually "Crimes." The crimes charged are:
  • Conspiracy to commit forgery: punishable by up to 14 years in prison.
  • Forgery: punishable by up to 14 years in prison.
  • Conspiracy to commit uttering and publishing: punishable by up to 14 years in prison.
  • Uttering and publishing: punishable by up to 14 years in prison.
  • Conspiracy to commit election law forgery: punishable by up to 5 years in prison.
  • Election law forgery: punishable by up to 5 years in prison.
As I said above, there were Republicans in some states who presented themselves as actual alternate electors. They committed no crimes. Those in Michigan were less wise and less respectful of the Constitution. Those Republicans are looking at criminal trials and the possibility of hard time.
 
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danthewolf00 said:
When you bar people from entering the building to do their jobs they are not committing a crime when they go do it some where else.
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Perhaps so. But they are committing crimes when they manufacture false documents and try to pass them off as real.

Stupidity is not a crime, but if it was, it too would be charged. How stupid do you have to be to create a forged document, sign your own name to it and send it to the government? "Dear USA, kindly find enclosed the evidence that proves I committed crimes. You are invited to share this evidence with law enforcement. Thank you for your attention to this correspondence. My fellow fake electors and I await your response."
 
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ATeam said:
It's actually "Crimes." The crimes charged are:
  • Conspiracy to commit forgery: punishable by up to 14 years in prison.
  • Forgery: punishable by up to 14 years in prison.
  • Conspiracy to commit uttering and publishing: punishable by up to 14 years in prison.
  • Uttering and publishing: punishable by up to 14 years in prison.
  • Conspiracy to commit election law forgery: punishable by up to 5 years in prison.
  • Election law forgery: punishable by up to 5 years in prison.
As I said above, there were Republicans in some states who presented themselves as actual alternate electors. They committed no crimes. Those in Michigan were less wise and less respectful of the Constitution. Those Republicans are looking at criminal trials and the possibility of hard time.
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Clown charges.
 
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Perhaps so. But they are committing crimes when they manufacture false documents and try to pass them off as real.

Stupidity is not a crime, but if it was, it too would be charged. How stupid do you have to be to create a forged document, sign your own name to it and send it to the government? "Dear USA, kindly find enclosed the evidence that proves I committed crimes. You are invited to share this evidence with law enforcement. Thank you for your attention to this correspondence. My fellow fake electors and I await your response."
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Now do Clinesmith.
 
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When you bar people from entering the building to do their jobs they are not committing a crime when they go do it some where else.
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All the charges are based off of that one discrepancy on the document. Nothing less than a persecution of political foes that the AG disagrees with. Not a chance that the Dem AG would file charges against seniors that were Dems or who happen to be a minority. But since they are MAGA seniors, Katy bar the door.
 
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