The Trump Card...

ATeam

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Above 50 million at least. But one won’t find that just watching MSNBC or CNN on their flats screens at their business to get their information.
I see. You're using the I have secret facts that only I know argument.
 
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ATeam

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The sad thing is you both don't seam to do much critical thinking you both don't like trump I get that I do......however you don't condemn biden and the way the Democrats have gone after a former president.....
They spied on a presidential candidate.
They impeached him on 2 charges that are not impeachable.
They have so one sidedly gone after trump that they HAD to change laws on statute of limitations in new York to charge him.
Critical thinking involves a bit more than "Tucker told me so."

Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action.
In its exemplary form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness.
It involves the following processes:
  1. Interpretation: Understanding and explaining the meaning of information, or a particular event.
  2. Analysis: Identifying the intended and actual inferential relationships among statements, questions, concepts, or descriptions. It often involves breaking something down into its component parts for study.
  3. Evaluation: Assessing the credibility of statements or descriptions of a person's experience, judgment, decision, or work.
  4. Inference: Drawing conclusions from the facts, data, or premises.
  5. Explanation: Providing a justification for what has been done or what is proposed.
  6. Self-Regulation: Monitoring one's cognitive activities, the elements used in those activities, and the results educed, particularly by applying skills in analysis and evaluation to one's own inferential judgments.
Critical thinking is fundamental to the process of inquiry and research. It is an essential tool in problem-solving and decision-making, and it allows individuals to understand the logical connections between ideas, identify, construct and evaluate arguments, detect inconsistencies and common mistakes in reasoning. (ChatGPT)
 

muttly

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I see. You're using the I have secret facts that only I know argument.
If you would have watched the whole video clip instead of just 10 seconds you would have seen that it was more than Sen Grassley speaking. But some just want to hear want they want to hear.
 
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muttly

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Critical thinking also takes patience. One can’t stick their fingers in their ears after hearing a few seconds of something they don’t like and then not hear something important right after that . Instead they’ll spend the time going on Chaz and post something.
 
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muttly

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While it does not answer your question, this detailed description (below) of how a proffer works is informative. Notice where Giuliani is in this process. From that, it would seem Giuliani has given them enough hard evidence for DOJ to agree to the proffer. We'll learn more as things play out.

I'll reiterate. The fact that Rudy entered into a proffer agreement is HUGE. This voluntary and legally significant move is a major behavior change for him. Giuliani's trajectory has changed, which will impact the trajectory of all others involved in Big Lie and Jan 6-related activities.
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"Proffer sessions involving a prospective defendant do not occur out of the blue. Indeed, they almost always represent the near culmination of an ongoing process that begins with a target’s decision that he or she does not believe they can win at trial and therefore must make a deal. Counsel for the target must then determine the significance of the information the client can provide. The more powerful the testimony, the more favorable the potential deal. The more important the person or persons the testimony implicates, the more important the proffer and potentially generous the plea terms. The more direct and unimpeachable the testimony would be, the more significant the cooperation will be, and thus, the better the deal will be for the client.

"Once counsel concludes the client has something valuable to offer prosecutors and that the client can be an effective witness, the next step can be taken. Counsel contacts the prosecutors and arranges an “attorney’s proffer,” in which the lawyer, without the client, meets prosecutors to outline the general contours of what the client can provide. If the contours are unacceptable, say the client wants an agreement he will not be prosecuted for providing evidence against a lesser target, the session ends quickly. If, however, both sides see the prospect for getting something they want without giving up too much, the session gets more and more specific. It is only if the attorney’s factual representations offer enough for prosecutors to offer sufficiently reduced criminal exposure, and thus, a realistic deal may be available, that the next-to-last step, the client proffer, is taken. Giuliani has reportedly now taken that step."
(Source)
Proffers can have more than one use. ( Both former federal prosecutors)
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Pilgrim

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Just my two cents in the pond: no one will ever know what Biden's net worth is. He's been doing politics since he was 30 yrs old. Six terms in the Senate and two terms as VP. It's pretty well established (and no, I'm not going to footnote my sources because I'm offering an opinion) that over the years he's learned how to sell his political influence - like many career politicians do - and hide his ill-gotten gains. By the time he became VP he was in his 70's and he and his family were well established in political circles, foreign and domestic. His estate planning was probably well under way. He, his brother and his favorite son have probably hired experts to find ways to hide money none of us would ever dream of or consider. The $9M figure was probably established by his campaign committee; it's under double figures and sounds reasonable to his supposedly middle class, liberal voters. He won't be impeached. He also won't be audited by the IRS, and he won't be seriously investigated for corruption or RICO violations after he leaves office. He'll simply be remembered as the most corrupt and mentally incompetent POTUS in history.
 

danthewolf00

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Just my two cents in the pond: no one will ever know what Biden's net worth is. He's been doing politics since he was 30 yrs old. Six terms in the Senate and two terms as VP. It's pretty well established (and no, I'm not going to footnote my sources because I'm offering an opinion) that over the years he's learned how to sell his political influence - like many career politicians do - and hide his ill-gotten gains. By the time he became VP he was in his 70's and he and his family were well established in political circles, foreign and domestic. His estate planning was probably well under way. He, his brother and his favorite son have probably hired experts to find ways to hide money none of us would ever dream of or consider. The $9M figure was probably established by his campaign committee; it's under double figures and sounds reasonable to his supposedly middle class, liberal voters. He won't be impeached. He also won't be audited by the IRS, and he won't be seriously investigated for corruption or RICO violations after he leaves office. He'll simply be remembered as the most corrupt and mentally incompetent POTUS in history.
He won't be impeached with the Democrats in control of the Senate.....the house could impeach Biden but the Senate will acquit him....like what happened to trump.
 
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ATeam

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Critical thinking also takes patience. One can’t stick their fingers in their ears after hearing a few seconds of something they don’t like and then not hear something important right after that . Instead they’ll spend the time going on Chaz and post something.
How many years of FULL TIME, volunteer or professional political activism do you have under your belt, and at what level did you participate? How many campaigns have you been directly involved with as a volunteer or paid operative, and what were the results of those campaigns? How many political science classes have you completed at the undergraduate or graduate level? How many local, state or federal offices have you physically set foot in to have face-to-face discussions with the office holders and/or their staffs? How many journalists have interviewed you, not because you stuck your fingers in your ears, but because they thought you has something important to say that should be reported statewide and nationwide? How many times has Jake Tapper mentioned you in a book he wrote? How many times have you been asked to appear on the Sean Hannity show? How many times have you been a guest on other national cable shows? How many times have you been hired by Donald Trump to work on his political team? What specific law or policy changes can you point to because your activism helped make that difference? How many times have you spoken before a city council, county board, school board, or state or federal legislative committee? In the last year or two, in what ways were you politically involved, not on your keyboard, but as a citizen actively engaged at demonstrations, meetings, events, etc."? How much money have you contributed to political candidates or organizations of your choice? How many political party conventions have you attended at state or national level? How many miles have you traveled to attend political events? How many people have you personally recruited to join whatever campaign or political cause you were supporting? How many local political meetings have you personally organized? How many times have you talked face-to-face to the producers of political shows in their studios about the shows then being produced? How many times have you been invited to speak at Harvard because a group of top journalists gathered there wanted to hear from you? How many other universities were you invited to speak at in how many states? Of the total political meetings you have attended, how many of them were in mansions with millionaires and how many were in ordinary meeting rooms with grass roots people.

Finally, what evidence can you cite that would suggest to a reasonable observer, that you have the patience you say is needed to become a skilled critical thinker? In fact, patience alone is only a small part of the task. You can be patient for a lifetime and not learn or do a thing worth learning or doing.

Finally, finally, I might have missed your answer when I asked before. What is "chaz?"
 
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ATeam

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Astounding

Trump drew an estimated 50,000 people to his South Carolina rally today. (Source) That is an astounding number.

Last week, DeSantis visited South Carolina and addressed 500-1,000 people in a restaurant parking lot.

The Republican Party nomination for president is Trump's. The indictments are helping him more than they hurt him. He seems immune from the criticism from his Republican opponents. Even if Trump suffered a stoke or died, he'd likely get more Republican primary votes than DeSantis and all other Republican candidates combined.
 
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Astounding

Trump drew an estimated 50,000 people to his South Carolina rally today. (Source) That is an astounding number.

Last week, DeSantis visited South Carolina and addressed 500-1,000 people in a restaurant parking lot.

The Republican Party nomination for president is Trump's. The indictments are helping him more than they hurt him. He seems immune from the criticism from his Republican opponents. Even if Trump suffered a stoke or died, he'd likely get more Republican primary votes than DeSantis and all other Republican candidates combined.
Told you......they were.
 
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Pilgrim

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The term "impeachment" has become the term for many in everyday conversation to include both the indictment and conviction of a president. As we all know, Bill Clinton was successfully impeached but the Senate refused to convict him and remove him from office. It would be the same result with Biden.

The only benefit to be gained by impeaching Biden at this point would be the Republicans presenting their case in a public setting that would probably be carried live by the mainstream media during an election year. Then again, the legacy media might just ignore it.
 
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The term "impeachment" has become the term for many in everyday conversation to include both the indictment and conviction of a president. As we all know, Bill Clinton was successfully impeached but the Senate refused to convict him and remove him from office. It would be the same result with Biden.

The only benefit to be gained by impeaching Biden at this point would be the Republicans presenting their case in a public setting that would probably be carried live by the mainstream media during an election year. Then again, the legacy media might just ignore it.
They're better off impeaching AG Garland or Mayorkas.
 
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