The Trump Card...

[ATeam]

For Trump and Trump World, It's a Hot Mess Getting Hotter

Multiple developments broke this week. And it appears that as the cases and investigations mature, it's going to get busier still. Just this week:

• Trump's "standing order" defense evaporated into nothing. (Documents Case)
• Trump lost his presidential immunity claim and the remaining Carroll case will go to trial. (Carroll Case)
• Jack Smith gained a new cooperating witness (Roman) via a proffer agreement. (Jan 6 investigation)
  Jack Smith and Rudy Giuliani entered into a proffer agreement. (Jan 6 investigation)
• The DWAC business people who were supposed to fund the Truth Social merger were indicted on felony charges.
• A federal judge signaled Trump's bid to move the NY hush money case from state to federal court will fail.
  A NY appellate court narrowed the NY AG's fraud case against Trump, removing Ivanka, but allowed it to proceed against Trump.

Like I said ... a hot mess getting hotter.

Looking ahead:

• The Miami grand jury continues working, suggesting more crimes will be charged or additional people will be charged.
• The clock continues to tick toward the August date when the Fulton County DA is expected to indict.
• One or more indictments concerning Jan 6 is/are expected soon.

With numerous cases simultaneously underway, and more cases expected, busy weeks like this will become common as each case generates procedural moves and rulings. Given Trump's legal success rate this week (lose, lose, lose), his future looks bleak.

 

[muttly]

Trump had no 'Standing Order' to Declassify Documents

"Six days after the FBI raided former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in August 2022 and removed boxes of classified documents he had refused to turn over, Trump issued a statement claiming all the documents he retained were declassified under a "standing order" he had issued when he was president. National security experts and former Trump administration officials were highly skeptical of the claim, and Bloomberg News reported Thursday that, in fact, no order was ever filed with the relevant federal agencies."

"... government attorneys told Bloomberg that each agency "possesses no records responsive to your request" for Trump's alleged order." (Source)

In other words, Trump's "Standing Order" defense just evaporated into nothing. There never was a standing order, and that's now a fact publicly known.

So what? That’s an administrative issue with his subordinate agencies. The mere taking them is sufficient under his constitutional executive power that he had while president.

 

[ATeam]

So what? That’s an administrative issue with his subordinate agencies. The mere taking them is sufficient under his constitutional executive power that he had while president.

So you say. The courts will say different.

In court, if someone says something exists, and someone else says it doesn't, the court will look for proof that it exists. By virtue of the FOIA request and agency response, it is now an item of public record that no standing order was ever issued and no proof of one exists.

What you call "The mere taking them," is what the government calls a crime; multiple crimes, actually, as detailed in the indictment.

 

[muttly]

So you say. The courts will say different.

In court, if someone says something exists, and someone else says it doesn't, the court will look for proof that it exists. By virtue of the FOIA request and agency response, it is now an item of public record that no standing order was ever issued and no proof of one exists.

What you call "The mere taking them," is what the government calls a crime; multiple crimes, actually, as detailed in the indictment.

He was President at the time and is afforded access to all the records pursuant to the PRA. Boxes of his records were packaged and shipped a week before his final day There is no criminal element to the PRA, only civil.

 

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[muttly]

What is the enforcement mechanism of the PRA?

 

[ATeam]

What is the enforcement mechanism of the PRA?

In this case, the enforcement mechanism is the felony criminal indictment. This enforcement mechanism transforms Trump from a BS-er on the campaign trail into a criminal defendant in federal court. He can spew whatever BS he wants in public. In court, where the rules of evidence and procedure apply, the standards are higher.

 

[muttly]

In this case, the enforcement mechanism is the felony criminal indictment. This enforcement mechanism transforms Trump from a BS-er on the campaign trail into a criminal defendant in federal court. He can spew whatever BS he wants in public. In court, where the rules of evidence and procedure apply, the standards are higher.

They don’t have a case. Criminalizing the PRA. Why does the Left want to be like Venezuela and now Brazil?

 

[muttly]

The Left doesn’t think they can beat Trump in the election so they want to try to take him out by concocting bizarro legal charges. They really are a soulless bunch.

 

[ATeam]

The Left doesn’t think they can beat Trump in the election so they want to try to take him out by concocting bizarro legal charges. They really are a soulless bunch.

I know you and many others believe that. But notice how many high-ranking people in the Trump administration are responding otherwise. Former Trump administration officials are now rising as witnesses revealing what they know. In so doing, they are helping to build a credible case against Trump. That case is not building because Trump is running for president. It's building because Trump committed crimes. The witnesses are taking this case seriously. Even Trump-appointed Judge Cannon is taking the case seriously.

You can call the charges "bizarro" if you wish, but "bizzaro" is not a credible defense.

 

[danthewolf00]

I know you and many others believe that. But notice how many high-ranking people in the Trump administration are responding otherwise. Former Trump administration officials are now rising as witnesses revealing what they know. In so doing, they are helping to build a credible case against Trump. That case is not building because Trump is running for president. It's building because Trump committed crimes. The witnesses are taking this case seriously. Even Trump-appointed Judge Cannon is taking the case seriously.

You can call the charges "bizarro" if you wish, but "bizzaro" is not a credible defense.

They had to change the statute of limitations in new York to go after trump for the stormy Danielle's case......it was the only way.

 

[muttly]

They had to change the statute of limitations in new York to go after trump for the stormy Danielle's case......it was the only way.

Exactly. They changed the statute so she could file the lawsuit. They knew all she had to do was file it in New York where he wouldn’t receive a fair trial.

 

[muttly]

I know you and many others believe that. But notice how many high-ranking people in the Trump administration are responding otherwise. Former Trump administration officials are now rising as witnesses revealing what they know. In so doing, they are helping to build a credible case against Trump. That case is not building because Trump is running for president. It's building because Trump committed crimes. The witnesses are taking this case seriously. Even Trump-appointed Judge Cannon is taking the case seriously.

You can call the charges "bizarro" if you wish, but "bizzaro" is not a credible defense.

What he did aren’t even crimes. It’s not a crime to enter a NDA. It’s not a crime to retain his personal records under the PRA. It’s not a crime to exercise his 1st amendment right to tell a crowd to go “peacefully and patriotically” and to believe that in a close election some legal votes weren’t counted and want them to be found.
Only unhinged Leftists and Trump haters want to make it crimes.

 

[Pilgrim]

So far all we've heard from various Democrat prosecutors and their willing accomplices in the media is the prosecution's side of these cases. Trump's defense has yet to present it's case, and is smart by not showing their cards in the media. These prosecutors are leaking like sieves in order to influence the 2024 election - pure and simple = and it's backfiring on them. Whether they can win in court is yet to be determined.

 

[ATeam]

What he did aren’t even crimes.

Yeah, right. And the sky isn't blue either.

 

[ATeam]

So far all we've heard from various Democrat prosecutors and their willing accomplices in the media is the prosecution's side of these cases. Trump's defense has yet to present it's case, and is smart by not showing their cards in the media. These prosecutors are leaking like sieves in order to influence the 2024 election - pure and simple = and it's backfiring on them. Whether they can win in court is yet to be determined.

The defense presented its case in the Trump Organization tax fraud trail, and they lost. The defense has made numerous motions regarding attorney/client privilege and executive privilege; and it lost most if not all of those. The defense presented its case in the Carroll trial and the jury told Trump to pay her $5 million in damages.

We've actually heard from the Trump defense several times and the results are a matter of record for anyone who cares to look.

 

[danthewolf00]

Exactly. They changed the statute so she could file the lawsuit. They knew all she had to do was file it in New York where he wouldn’t receive a fair trial.

Stormy Danielle didn't file that was bragg.
Carroll is the one that claims that trump pulled a Kavanaugh.....which was a bs claim too.

 

[danthewolf00]

I keep questioning why the Democrats want to block forensic audits of the 2020 election......I have never seen so many lawsuits to block something backed by federal law.

 

[muttly]

The defense presented its case in the Trump Organization tax fraud trail, and they lost. The defense has made numerous motions regarding attorney/client privilege and executive privilege; and it lost most if not all of those. The defense presented its case in the Carroll trial and the jury told Trump to pay her $5 million in damages.

We've actually heard from the Trump defense several times and the results are a matter of record for anyone who cares to look.

New York City. Mostly Dems. Not really a fair trial there.

 

[muttly]

Yeah, right. And the sky isn't blue either.

Some are so easily gaslit by the “news” they watch. They want to confirm their bias due to hatred of Trump.