The Trump Card...

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That is exactly what they have been arguing in court. Those arguments failed and the case is proceeding to trial as a result.
Yes, the unhinged Left is against any opposition free speech.
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Pilgrim

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Trump has already launched a campaign for president. How would the gag order effect that enterprise, his staffers and surrogates? How about Trump supporters in the media - especially social media? Any of these could serve as Trump's voice to make arguments about the indictment while he talks about other issues. A gag order would only add fuel to the Republican fire.
 

Pilgrim

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Trump has already launched a campaign for president. How would the gag order effect that enterprise, his staffers and surrogates? How about Trump supporters in the media - especially social media? Any of these could serve as Trump's voice to make arguments about the indictment while he talks about other issues. A gag order would only add fuel to the Republican fire.
Another point about a gag order: will this silence the Democrats? How about the harpies on MSNBC? They'll be shouting to the rooftops about the details of the indictment. A gag order would be ignored by everyone except Trump, and he wouldn't have to say a thing about the case that everyone else is talking about.
 
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It was already leaked that there is an indictment and how many counts there are. The Democrats will just leak it. And no repercussions for doing so. That’s why they do it.
 

ATeam

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Yes, the unhinged Left is against any opposition free speech.
To people untethered from reality, that seems to be true. But THE REALITY is, this is a real case, being argued by real attorneys who are learned in the law, in a real court, with a real judge, who is making real rulings and making real things happen in the world as a result. Imaginary filters superimposed over these realities are unhelpful and unwise.

When it's raining, it's wise to acknowledge the rain is real and to use an umbrella if you don't want to stay If you deny the rain is real, you're still going to get wet.
 

ATeam

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Trump has already launched a campaign for president. How would the gag order effect that enterprise, his staffers and surrogates? How about Trump supporters in the media - especially social media? Any of these could serve as Trump's voice to make arguments about the indictment while he talks about other issues. A gag order would only add fuel to the Republican fire.
Correct. The gag order would apply to Trump and his attorney's only since only they are under the judge's authority as the case proceeds. But I'm not sure a gag order would add fuel to the Republican fire. I think it would only change the flavor of the criticism. Even though on one in public has seen the charges, there is much criticism that the charges are bogus. If a gag order is issued, that talk would shift to the gag order being bogus, or politically motivated, etc.

On the other hand, jailing Trump under a gag order violation, would add new fuel to an already existing fire.
 

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Another point about a gag order: will this silence the Democrats? How about the harpies on MSNBC? They'll be shouting to the rooftops about the details of the indictment. A gag order would be ignored by everyone except Trump, and he wouldn't have to say a thing about the case that everyone else is talking about.
Good point
 

danthewolf00

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Except for the insurrection clause, you are correct. A whole lot of people are wasting a whole lot of energy arguing that DOJ is trying to convict Trump to prevent him from being president. Even if they succeeded in convicting him, and even if Trump was sitting in a prison someplace, he could still run for and be elected as president.
They tried and failed to impeach trump twice.....what the news and the Democrats call a insurrection was just another riot....the only thing different was it was done by Republicans.
 

danthewolf00

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Trump has already launched a campaign for president. How would the gag order effect that enterprise, his staffers and surrogates? How about Trump supporters in the media - especially social media? Any of these could serve as Trump's voice to make arguments about the indictment while he talks about other issues. A gag order would only add fuel to the Republican fire.
A gag order we know the Democrats will slip right a round......and not break a sweat.
 

ATeam

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It was already leaked that there is an indictment and how many counts there are. The Democrats will just leak it. And no repercussions for doing so. That’s why they do it.
We won't know that for sure until the indictment is unsealed on Tuesday. It is widely SPECULATED that there will be 33 counts relating to the 11 payments and one conspiracy count. I have no way to know if that is true and am not speculating about anything related to indictment content. If it turns out that the indictment does indeed include 33 counts and 1 conspiracy count, then, yes, it could be reasonably assumed that a leak was previously done.

I don't really care. I'm not going to base my indictment opinion on someone saying something may or may not have been leaked and may or may not be accurate. It's a simple matter to wait until Tuesday to see what the indictment actually says.
 

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They tried and failed to impeach trump twice.....what the news and the Democrats call a insurrection was just another riot....the only thing different was it was done by Republicans.
A riot at the US Capitol, incited at a precise day and time, with the intent to stop Congress from completing its constitutionally mandated election certification duties so that a president who lost his bid for re-election could remain in power is an insurrection.
 

muttly

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Trump is not wanting to dismantle the corrupt system. He wants to dilettante the Constitution and vest power in himself. He is not fighting to reform a corrupt system. He's fighting to avoid accountability under the law.
There is no evidence he wants to dismantle the constitution
His very actions to dismantle the corruption however led to intense collaboration by the corrupt actors to undermine any attempt to do so. FBI : Comey, McCabe, Stroyk, Page, Baker, Klinesmith and many more. Thankfully multiple FBI whistleblowers now have the courage to step forward to expose much more of it.

When prosecutors try to prosecute the extortion victim instead of the extortionist then there needs to be more accountability with those administering the law.
 
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A riot at the US Capitol, incited at a precise day and time, with the intent to stop Congress from completing its constitutionally mandated election certification duties so that a president who lost his bid for re-election could remain in power is an insurrection.
“Peacefully and patriotically”
 
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To people untethered from reality, that seems to be true. But THE REALITY is, this is a real case, being argued by real attorneys who are learned in the law, in a real court, with a real judge, who is making real rulings and making real things happen in the world as a result. Imaginary filters superimposed over these realities are unhelpful and unwise.

When it's raining, it's wise to acknowledge the rain is real and to use an umbrella if you don't want to stay If you deny the rain is real, you're still going to get wet.


The reality is that the prosecutors, judges, rulings, and jurors are also unduly influenced by their partisan politics in NY,(voted overwhelmingly against Trump) that makes the whole proceedings counter to way a judicial system should operate.
Let’s not be gullible and not realize this.
Certainly a change of venue to a much less discriminatory area is in order at the very least.
 
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The reality is that the prosecutors, judges, rulings, and jurors are also unduly influenced by their partisan politics in NY,(voted overwhelmingly against Trump) that makes the whole proceedings counter to way a judicial system should operate.
Let’s not be gullible and not realize this.
Certainly a change of venue to a much less discriminatory area is in order at the very least.
So, if Trump is found guilty, it's the venue's fault, right? He'd be innocent in a different zip code?
 
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danthewolf00

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So, if Trump is found guilty, it's the venue's fault, right? He'd be innocent in a different zip code?
If it was a bipartisan court and such then no.....but it is completely partisan so yes move to a different zipcode....but I bet both the judge and braggs will try to block it.
 
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danthewolf00

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So, if Trump is found guilty, it's the venue's fault, right? He'd be innocent in a different zip code?
Also he is innocent till proven guilty....unless your Pelosi who thinks your guilty till your proven innocent...under Democrats it becomes clear that they want to be in control of us forever.
Democrats will push it to a civil war.....if you don't think that then your head is somewhere the sun don't shine.
 
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