The Trump Card...

danthewolf00

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Braggs is basically throwing darts at a paper thin wall and praying the dart sticks....and going to get mad when he is beaten by trump's attorneys.
 

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Trump was impeached twice....and acquitted twice.
He is now indicted on 30+ counts one of them are a felony charge.....he will win and be acquitted on those too.
If they beat the felony charge he can still run for office. Misdemeanor charges will not block him from office.
That’s prosecutorial misconduct throwing all those misdemeanor charges in the indictment. Not a practice that is condoned.
 
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Considering trump has gotten $4million since the word dropped that he was indicted....maybe.
But adam schiff is a smug little liar and you can bet the former January 6th committee was all over braggs information.
A fool and their money shall soon be parted.....
 

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The linked article provides a pretty good insight into George Soros and his political and philosophical beliefs. It provides direct quotes and is well sourced as it describes the actions of a radical Socialist who doesn't believe in the best interests of the United States or its allies - especially Israel.

"Soros openly lays out his beliefs in interviews, speeches, and articles. His viewpoints are not a secret. And it is completely understandable that those who believe in military responses to terror attacks, secure borders, who support Israel, who don’t believe that anti-Semitism is driven in any part by the actions of Jews, who oppose the Iran deal, and who are wary of the notion that China’s government “functions better,” would see Soros as a malevolent force in politics at home and abroad."
I read the article you linked to, and also the much longer Wikipedia piece about George Soros. The two track together, telling pretty much the same story about this man. The paragraph you highlighted sums things up nicely. Another paragraph in the linked piece that sums things up nicely is:

"The irony is that the Right’s beliefs about Soros aren’t that different from the Left’s beliefs about the Koch brothers, and before that, Richard Mellon Scaife. The grassroots of each party always loathe the biggest donors of the other side and always sees them as shadowy and nefarious."

I said above that I know nothing about George Soros. I meant that in a political sense. I have come across his name several times over the years in my business and investment reading. Soros is legendary in the hedge fund world and among many traders who aspire to be wealthy themselves. Soros, a philosophy major in college and graduate school, developed and brought his General Theory of Reflexivity to the markets. This theory has been deemed credible (evidenced by the fact that it is widely published and discussed) and is widely studied by traders today.

I can't put a lot of time into George Soros, but I'm going to put in some, now that you have piqued my interest. I majored in philosophy in college and I have investments. The introductory paragraphs of this piece by Sorros are fascinating. I'm off to take a deeper dive into it.

Another highly successful trader I occasionally hear about is Peter Thiel. Just as Sorros is a boogeyman to the right, Thiel is a boogeyman to the left. But both are highly successful in the trading realm, and both have worthy ideas to share from which investors can profit. I care little about the politics of the wealthy. Among the rich, you have people on the left and right, just like you have at all other economic levels.

When DeSantis and others rail about Soros's politics and money, I find it boring and tune it out.
 
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T shirts will be a hot seller too. Dershowitz floated that idea to Trump. Mugshot on a shirt. The campaign will be flushed with cash.
 
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T shirts will be a hot seller too. Dershowitz floated that idea to Trump. Mugshot on a shirt. The campaign will be flushed with cash.
When Trump is actively defending against one indictment, three other grand juries, a major civil suit brought by the New York state AG, two defamation suits alleging rape, and who knows how many other civil suits; how much money is he spending for lawyers, court costs and related expenses? Some attorneys operating at that level charge over $1,000 an hour.

Because Trump has a history of not paying his bills, one high-level attorney he recently hired demanded to be paid MILLIONS of dollars up front before he would agree to represent Trump. Trump paid the money.

At least some of these expenses are being paid from campaign funds. And some of the funds contributed by donors are instantly split between the campaign and other funds that Trump uses to pay his bills.

Yep, that's what I want to do. Buy a T-shirt so I can help fund a $1,000/hour attorney's lavish lifestyle. Today's rich attorneys are not rich enough. Step right up MAGA donors. Buy an over-priced T-shirt to help make a rich attorney richer.
 
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When Trump is actively defending against one indictment, three other grand juries, a major civil suit brought by the New York state AG, two defamation suits alleging rape, and who knows how many other civil suits; how much money is he spending for lawyers, court costs and related expenses? Some attorneys operating at that level charge over $1,000 an hour.

Because Trump has a history of not paying his bills, one high-level attorney he recently hired demanded to be paid MILLIONS of dollars up front before he would agree to represent Trump. Trump paid the money.

At least some of these expenses are being paid from campaign funds. And some of the funds contributed by donors are instantly split between the campaign and other funds that Trump uses to pay his bills.

Yep, that's what I want to do. Buy a T-shirt so I can help fund a $1,000/hour attorney's lavish lifestyle. Today's rich attorneys are not rich enough. Step right up MAGA donors. Buy an over-priced T-shirt to help make a rich attorney richer.
I think most would be buying it to show solidarity with Trump against the weaponizing of the justice system by the unhinged Leftists. Where it goes wouldn’t be a major concern to them. Just my guess.
 
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When Trump is actively defending against one indictment, three other grand juries, a major civil suit brought by the New York state AG, two defamation suits alleging rape, and who knows how many other civil suits; how much money is he spending for lawyers, court costs and related expenses? Some attorneys operating at that level charge over $1,000 an hour.
This is why the unhinged Left fears Trump so much. Most every other candidate for President, specifically a Republican, that wants to dismantle the corrupt system, doesn’t have the financial resources to handle the onslaught of Lawfare . They wouldn’t bother to run because they would be bankrupted by all the legal fees to defend themselves from frivolous and concocted “crimes” brought by their political enemies. But those enemies aren’t just opposing party candidates. They are partisan and corrupt prosecutors, ( local and Federal) Judges, and jurors that said prosecutors pick that are the dumbest and most partisan themselves. Easy to do when trials are held in areas like NY, DC, and Fulton. that voted from over 70 to 90 percent against Trump.
But Trump has the financial resources to absorb all their b.s. which makes the Leftists all butthurt.
 
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If they beat the felony charge he can still run for office. Misdemeanor charges will not block him from office.
Just as a clarification...

According to the U.S. Constitution, anyone who is at least 35 years old, a natural born citizen of the United States and a U.S. resident for at least 14 years is eligible to be elected president. Because the Constitution does not mention criminal records, a person indicted or convicted of a felony would not be barred from being elected and/or serving in the role so long as he (or she) meets the other requirements.
 
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Can you post a lie that Tucker Carlson said on the air regarding this?
I've never looked for that. I don't know if the thing you are talking about can be found or not. But that's beside the point. Indeed, the thing you are asking for is an irrelevant detour off the main road.

Fox News is not being sued, and this case is not going to trial because of a lie Tucker Carlson told on air. This Tucker Carlson lie you bring up is not what they are talking about in court.
 
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This is why the unhinged Left fears Trump so much. Most every other candidate for President, specifically a Republican, that wants to dismantle the corrupt system, doesn’t have the financial resources to handle the onslaught of Lawfare .
Trump is not wanting to dismantle the corrupt system. He wants to dilettante the Constitution and vest power in himself. He is not fighting to reform a corrupt system. He's fighting to avoid accountability under the law.

I'm not saying the system is not corrupt. I think it is in many ways. The wealthiest country in the world has a terrible healthcare system because of corruption. The concentration of extreme wealth in the hands of a tiny slice of the population exists because of corruption. But that's not due to one "unhinged" group of citizens fearing the other. That's due to the outsized and unfair influence wealthy people have had in establishing the laws and system that now exist. Those are laws and a system that reinforces the concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a tiny few. It's a system our nations founders would find abhorrent.

And about the word "unhinged," that's name calling with no effect. The left says the right is unhinged. The right says the left is unhinged. And sometimes, when I look around, I cant' help but think both are correct. It's one of the regrettable things I have noticed in politics in the last few decades. There was a time when respect for the office meant something, no matter who held it. There was a time when civility and decorum were observed more than it is now. There was a time when negative campaigning was seen as something beneath one's dignity to do.

But somewhere along the way, overt disrespect for the other side, unrestrained lying about the other side, and negative campaigning became the norm. With politicians and their supporters continuously hammering away to get the public to believe bad things about the others, both sides have succeeded and the public mostly believes that no matter who is in charge, the system is corrupt and the people running it are evil.

The country suffers because of that because a lot of good and decent people who might be inclined to step up to serve, won't go anywhere near the unseemly game politics now is.
 
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I've never looked for that. I don't know if the thing you are talking about can be found or not. But that's beside the point. Indeed, the thing you are asking for is an irrelevant detour off the main road.

Fox News is not being sued, and this case is not going to trial because of a lie Tucker Carlson told on air. This Tucker Carlson lie you bring up is not what they are talking about in court.
Fox News had surrogates from Trump's election challenge campaign make assertions about voting machines ( very similar to what Dems said about them in the past)and somehow Fox News shouldn't report what they were saying? This was still news.
 
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Just as a clarification...

According to the U.S. Constitution, anyone who is at least 35 years old, a natural born citizen of the United States and a U.S. resident for at least 14 years is eligible to be elected president. Because the Constitution does not mention criminal records, a person indicted or convicted of a felony would not be barred from being elected and/or serving in the role so long as he (or she) meets the other requirements.
Except for the insurrection clause, you are correct. A whole lot of people are wasting a whole lot of energy arguing that DOJ is trying to convict Trump to prevent him from being president. Even if they succeeded in convicting him, and even if Trump was sitting in a prison someplace, he could still run for and be elected as president.
 
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Fox News had surrogates from Trump's election challenge campaign make assertions about voting machines ( very similar to what Dems said about them in the past)and somehow Fox News shouldn't report what they were saying? This was still news.
That is exactly what they have been arguing in court. Those arguments failed and the case is proceeding to trial as a result.
 

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Gag Order?

There is talk about the judge issuing a gag order when Trump is arraigned on Tuesday.

""I think it's not only a possibility, but it's extremely likely that there will be a gag order in the case," said [former senior staffer with the Manhattan District Attorney's Office] Levin, known for representing clients including Harvey Weinstein and Anna Sorokin. "Gag orders are very common in criminal cases, particularly in cases where there is an enormous amount of pretrial publicity like this one." (Source)

I have mixed feelings about that.

On one hand, a gag order that would prevent Trump from discussing this high profile case in public makes perfect sense. As Levin said, this is commonly done. On the other hand, Trump is a candidate for president and a gag order presents its own set of issues.

While the gag order would pertain specifically to the case the Manhattan DA brings, and leave Trump free to talk about everything else -- things like economic policy, border security, elections laws, etc. -- Trump is not careful with his rhetoric and he could easily slip into prohibited talk about the case. If he went too far, and if the judge had issued a gag order, the judge would have the power to instantly fine or even jail Trump. Punishment for criminal contempt, under New York law, is a fine not exceeding $1,000, jail for up to 30 days or both.

If such a gag order was in place, Trump may, as a political strategy, intentionally violate it to saddle the the judge with the extremely difficult choice of jailing a presidential candidate for contempt of court. I can think of nothing that would inflame the Trump base more than putting him in jail for contempt of court, before the trial itself even begins.

If Trump is willing to sit in a cell for up to 30 days, or, more likely be restricted to home detention, triggering a contempt finding may appeal to him. It would absolutely inflame his base in a way he might like. On the downside, it would further tear the country apart.
 
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