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Donald "The Defendant" Trump
Former president Trump was indicted today by a Manhattan grand jury. Reporters are saying the charges will become known when they are unsealed in a few days. Trump has indicated he will surrender for arrest in New York early next week.
While this makes Trump a criminal defendant for the first time in his life, it does not make him guilty. In criminal court, he will enjoy the presumption of innocence and his due process rights will remain intact. In the court of public opinion, he has already been proclaimed innocent or guilty by many, depending on one's point of view.
For me personally, this is a milestone event. I have long believed Trump committed crimes for which he should be brought to justice. I am pleased to see the criminal accountability process take shape in this real and public way.
Donald Trump has been indicted. Donald Trump will surrender for arrest.
This indictment comes from one of four grand juries, each of which are considering different cases against Trump. I believe the other three grand juries are likely to indict Trump too. With that ice now broken in Manhattan, it will be that much easier for the other grand juries to issue their indictments. By the time the fourth grand jury does so, these indictment events will be nearly routine.
The Manhattan criminal charges and any others that emerge from the other grand juries will take years to resolve. I think the story will be pretty much the same as these processes work their way to conclusion.
Trump and his supporters will lash out at anyone and everyone involved in prosecuting Trump. They will lash out against the system too. Trump critics will respond in kind, lashing out against Trump and his words and deeds. The legal process will progress at a painfully slow pace. For years, the flavor of the month will change but the diet will be essentially the same. Then, finally, these cases will be resolved and Trump's ultimate fate will be known. People will continuously assert-discuss-argue their points about this ad nauseam. But the only arguments that truly matter are those made in court. The most recent development of this kind -- an argument that matters -- is the indictment that will result in the upcoming arrest. All other arguments about this matter made on EO, news shows, and elsewhere make no difference.
Donald Trump has been indicted. Donald Trump will surrender for arrest.
Now that Trump has been criminally charged and he must defend himself, not in public but in court, my interest in keeping up with the Trump story has declined. Donald Trump was indicted today and he will soon be charged with crimes. I welcome that news with relief.
Admittedly, this stuff is too interesting to me. This political spectating is a guilty pleasure I indulge in too often. Having better things to do, I'm going to resist getting caught up in the blow-by-blow developments. I'm content to let others do that while I savor the highlights.
To date the highlights include the Mar-a-Lago search, Trump's defeats in court -- especially the one where Trump-appointed judges shredded Judge Cannon's indefensible ruling in Trump's favor --, a jury finding the Trump Organization guilty of tax fraud, the jailing of Trump's financial guy, the massive lawsuit filed by New York DA James, the grand jury work underway in Georgia, the ongoing work if the two grand juries associated with Special Prosecutor Jack Smith, and Trump's 2022 election influence which resulted in the Senate remaining in Democratic control.
Trump's recent call for "protest" produce little response. While news of the indictment just broke a few hours a go, I've seen no news of Trump supporters gathering in the streets to protest or do worse. It seems they got the message from their Jan 6 friends who sit today in jail.
Because Trump supporters are in firm control of the Republican Party, Trump is likely to be the Republican nominee for the 2024 presidential race. But I think that's the highest level Trump will rise to in the future. The wheels of accountability are turning and Trump grows weaker by the day.
Former president Trump was indicted today by a Manhattan grand jury. Reporters are saying the charges will become known when they are unsealed in a few days. Trump has indicated he will surrender for arrest in New York early next week.
While this makes Trump a criminal defendant for the first time in his life, it does not make him guilty. In criminal court, he will enjoy the presumption of innocence and his due process rights will remain intact. In the court of public opinion, he has already been proclaimed innocent or guilty by many, depending on one's point of view.
For me personally, this is a milestone event. I have long believed Trump committed crimes for which he should be brought to justice. I am pleased to see the criminal accountability process take shape in this real and public way.
Donald Trump has been indicted. Donald Trump will surrender for arrest.
This indictment comes from one of four grand juries, each of which are considering different cases against Trump. I believe the other three grand juries are likely to indict Trump too. With that ice now broken in Manhattan, it will be that much easier for the other grand juries to issue their indictments. By the time the fourth grand jury does so, these indictment events will be nearly routine.
The Manhattan criminal charges and any others that emerge from the other grand juries will take years to resolve. I think the story will be pretty much the same as these processes work their way to conclusion.
Trump and his supporters will lash out at anyone and everyone involved in prosecuting Trump. They will lash out against the system too. Trump critics will respond in kind, lashing out against Trump and his words and deeds. The legal process will progress at a painfully slow pace. For years, the flavor of the month will change but the diet will be essentially the same. Then, finally, these cases will be resolved and Trump's ultimate fate will be known. People will continuously assert-discuss-argue their points about this ad nauseam. But the only arguments that truly matter are those made in court. The most recent development of this kind -- an argument that matters -- is the indictment that will result in the upcoming arrest. All other arguments about this matter made on EO, news shows, and elsewhere make no difference.
Donald Trump has been indicted. Donald Trump will surrender for arrest.
Now that Trump has been criminally charged and he must defend himself, not in public but in court, my interest in keeping up with the Trump story has declined. Donald Trump was indicted today and he will soon be charged with crimes. I welcome that news with relief.
Admittedly, this stuff is too interesting to me. This political spectating is a guilty pleasure I indulge in too often. Having better things to do, I'm going to resist getting caught up in the blow-by-blow developments. I'm content to let others do that while I savor the highlights.
To date the highlights include the Mar-a-Lago search, Trump's defeats in court -- especially the one where Trump-appointed judges shredded Judge Cannon's indefensible ruling in Trump's favor --, a jury finding the Trump Organization guilty of tax fraud, the jailing of Trump's financial guy, the massive lawsuit filed by New York DA James, the grand jury work underway in Georgia, the ongoing work if the two grand juries associated with Special Prosecutor Jack Smith, and Trump's 2022 election influence which resulted in the Senate remaining in Democratic control.
Trump's recent call for "protest" produce little response. While news of the indictment just broke a few hours a go, I've seen no news of Trump supporters gathering in the streets to protest or do worse. It seems they got the message from their Jan 6 friends who sit today in jail.
Because Trump supporters are in firm control of the Republican Party, Trump is likely to be the Republican nominee for the 2024 presidential race. But I think that's the highest level Trump will rise to in the future. The wheels of accountability are turning and Trump grows weaker by the day.
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I had a little bit of respect for Desantis, there are some things he does right here in Florida, but now he blames the favorite Republican boogy man, George Soros, any respect is now gone.
Soros is just another greedy billionaire, he does not "control" the DA or anyone else for that matter.
This meaningless crime will be reduced to nothing, a fine will be paid and everyone moves on. But Trump will play the victim card for all it worth, the money will roll in and he will laugh all the way to the bank....
You should do more research into Soros, his ideology, and who he heavily funds with his dollars.
Wow, if someone as intelligent as you believes the Soros garbage, all hope is lost.
danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
That is because soros is the biggest Democrat donor in the usa....right behind him is that Ftx stock trader that stole all that money from investors.
I know essentially nothing about Soros but my curiosity has grown as I hear his name mentioned more and more often by Republicans. It seems mentioning his name gets a rise out of Republicans as much as mentioning Hillary or Obama. Guaranteed applause from Republican audiences. Guaranteed agreement on Republican-favored social media sites.
So, you are right, Turtle. I "should do more research into Soros, his ideology, and who he heavily funds with his dollars."
But before I do, let me ask, is Soros funding any different than that done by the Koch brothers, or the rich people who fund the Federalist Society? There are a number of multi-billionaires who hold political beliefs and use their money to advance there respective political ideologies. In that regard, is Soros unique, or is he just one of the group of multi-billionaires who have an outsized influence in politics because of lax political contribution laws and their outsized wealth?
danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
The linked article provides a pretty good insight into George Soros and his political and philosophical beliefs. It provides direct quotes and is well sourced as it describes the actions of a radical Socialist who doesn't believe in the best interests of the United States or its allies - especially Israel.
"Soros openly lays out his beliefs in interviews, speeches, and articles. His viewpoints are not a secret. And it is completely understandable that those who believe in military responses to terror attacks, secure borders, who support Israel, who don’t believe that anti-Semitism is driven in any part by the actions of Jews, who oppose the Iran deal, and who are wary of the notion that China’s government “functions better,” would see Soros as a malevolent force in politics at home and abroad."
www.nationalreview.com
"Soros openly lays out his beliefs in interviews, speeches, and articles. His viewpoints are not a secret. And it is completely understandable that those who believe in military responses to terror attacks, secure borders, who support Israel, who don’t believe that anti-Semitism is driven in any part by the actions of Jews, who oppose the Iran deal, and who are wary of the notion that China’s government “functions better,” would see Soros as a malevolent force in politics at home and abroad."
The Truth about George Soros Is Damning Enough | National Review
The truth about Soros is bad enough without any of the exaggerations.
www.nationalreview.com
Guess I have a lot in common with this guy, from the article:The linked article provides a pretty good insight into George Soros and his political and philosophical beliefs. It provides direct quotes and is well sourced as it describes the actions of a radical Socialist who doesn't believe in the best interests of the United States or its allies - especially Israel.
"Soros openly lays out his beliefs in interviews, speeches, and articles. His viewpoints are not a secret. And it is completely understandable that those who believe in military responses to terror attacks, secure borders, who support Israel, who don’t believe that anti-Semitism is driven in any part by the actions of Jews, who oppose the Iran deal, and who are wary of the notion that China’s government “functions better,” would see Soros as a malevolent force in politics at home and abroad."
The Truth about George Soros Is Damning Enough | National Review
The truth about Soros is bad enough without any of the exaggerations.
Soros was flatly opposed to the War on Terror after 9/11 and declared the U.S. response to al Qaeda to be morally equivalent to the terrorist attacks: “We abhor terrorists, because they kill innocent people for political goals. But by waging war on terror we are doing the same thing.”
I agree, I was against the war from the start too, hindsight being 20/20, we spent all that money and all those lives lost and in the end the same people ended up back in charge.
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In 2006, Soros said that “the main obstacle to a stable and just world is the United States.” Not Iran, not Russia, not China, not Islamist terrorist groups, not transnational crime . . . the United States.
I mostly agree with this, our arrogance that our government is only way it should be and that everyone else is wrong is what gets us into problems. not that China or Russia or Iran does not have their issues too.
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In 2010, he declared that China has “a better functioning government than the United States.”
Cant say I agree with that but there has to be more context to what he said, of coarse the article does not expand on that but most Republicans think out government is terrible so why is such a shock that he would say that???
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He has generously donated to groups that call on governments the world over to sever or downgrade their diplomatic relations with Israel and calls for Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel. He’s made several comments that some interpreted as blaming Jews for anti-Semitism, such as, “I don’t think that you can ever overcome anti-Semitism if you behave as a tribe . . . the only way you can overcome it is if you give up the tribalness.”
Definitely with him on that, they believe they can do whatever they want because of the atrocities that were committed against them in WW2, sorry it does not work like that.
And last:
Soros is not a fan of national borders or border enforcement. When criticizing Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban in 2017, Soros said, “[Orban’s] plan treats the protection of national borders as the objective and the refugees as an obstacle. Our plan treats the protection of refugees as the objective and national borders as the obstacle.” In many interviews, Soros has decried nationalism and national identity as a menace.
I dont get the entire story here but the author of the article make an assumption that what he said translates to he believes in open borders, which I dont believe in and I really dont believe Soros does either, unless there is more to substantiate his statement, this was a lie.
danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
Israel is about protecting itself from Hamas and their terrorist attacks.....you can't have peace when someone in another country is shooting into your country with sniper rifles.
Apparently you haven't heard of Soros' Open Society Foundations. George Soros can hardly be described as pro-American; if anything, he's an enemy of the state. Who do you think is funding a lot of the hordes of illegal immigrants pouring across our southern border? This article was written before Biden stopped enforcing our immigration laws and opened the floodgates.
(Bold emphasis mine)
"Open borders (unrestricted immigration) is a key component of George Soros’s open society philosophy and the Open Society network of nonprofit foundations.
In Europe, Soros and his foundations have effectively sought to erase national borders and identities and appear to have facilitated the European refugee crisis (2015–2017). He personally called on the European Union to deal with the crisis by opening its borders even more and going further into debt to finance “Marshall Plan for Africa..."
And U.S.-based OSF components have money to burn thanks to Soros. A leaked memorandum to the Open Society U.S. Programs Board dated August 29, 2013, proposed a programmatic budget of $100 million plus a reserve fund of $25 million."
The Soros Nexus
Enter George Soros, the Hungarian-American billionaire with his own distinct view of how the world should operate. Growing up in Nazi-occupied Hungary and behind the Iron Curtain, he developed a hatred for totalitarian governments, bureaucracy, and government control in general. Along the way to...
capitalresearch.org
Yes and no. He's no different in that he funds to further his ideological agenda, same as the Koch brothers, et al. But what's different is his ideology has a destabilizing effect on society at large. He funds insane amounts of money to progressive liberal groups, mostly though a network of dark money projects.
Here's a pretty good article from CNBC, not exactly a sister network of Fox News, that lays it out.
Soros has donated more than $32 billion over the years.
danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
George soros makes Nancy Pelosi and the squad look conservative right.....and the squad is very very liberal Democrat leaning.
Trump: "I am the least racist person anywhere in the world." (Source)
He'll have the chance to prove it as his hush-money trial proceeds. The likely judge is a Colombian-born, Hispanic immigrant. The prosecuting DA is an African American.
Since Trump is the self-proclaimed least racist person in the world, we can count on him to make no racist slurs, innuendos, insults or other such things as his trial proceeds, right?
He'll have the chance to prove it as his hush-money trial proceeds. The likely judge is a Colombian-born, Hispanic immigrant. The prosecuting DA is an African American.
Since Trump is the self-proclaimed least racist person in the world, we can count on him to make no racist slurs, innuendos, insults or other such things as his trial proceeds, right?
danthewolf00
Veteran Expediter
Trump has dated a black woman....before he married.
Markets Unconcerned About Trump Indictment
The news broke last night that Trump has been indicted and will be arrested on Tuesday. Today, the S&P 500 index closed up 1.44%. The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed up 1.26%. The NASDAQ closed up 1.68%, and the US Dollar Index closed up 0.41%. Such moves are routine in these markets. Nothing today indicated that "Wall Street" or American investors are concerned about Trump's new status.
The news broke last night that Trump has been indicted and will be arrested on Tuesday. Today, the S&P 500 index closed up 1.44%. The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed up 1.26%. The NASDAQ closed up 1.68%, and the US Dollar Index closed up 0.41%. Such moves are routine in these markets. Nothing today indicated that "Wall Street" or American investors are concerned about Trump's new status.
Trump's poll numbers are expected to go up higher due to his "new status" so that could very well account for it.
There is no evidence that Trump is racist. On the contrary, there is ample evidence as President that he isn't.