The Trump Card...

[muttly]

Trump has been out of office for 2 years and he is still working for America by endorsing Republicans and winning seats.
It's why Democrats fear trump because hes a kingmaker.....and there is no Democrat with enough positive influence to even get elected to be the president.

Right. Dem candidates are mostly avoiding Biden too.

 

[muttly]

I do not want Trump back. So, no, it's not true that everyone wants Trump back.

That makes four people now.

 

[ATeam]

They were declassified. There isn't a criminal enforcement mechanism to the records act, only civil. There is no obstruction because no criminal laws were broken. Trump, when he was President, had the power to declassify any classified documents he wanted, EVEN AFTER J6, and up until noon Jan 20 2021.

No, they were not declassified. If they were declassified, that fact would be properly documented and easily discernible, as happens with every other document that gets properly declassified.

 

[muttly]

No, they were not declassified. If they were declassified, that fact would be properly documented and easily discernible, as happens with every other document that gets properly declassified.

The crossfire hurricane documents were declassified before he left office.

 

[Pilgrim]

Yes, it is rational to think that because that's exactly what happened. 30 agents arrived in the morning and left late afternoon and there was no news about that until after they left.

Not exactly.

Trump confirmed the search when he posted about it on social media, but the story itself was already broken by Peter Schorsch of FloridaPolitics.com, who gave it to a few of his contacts in national media, then Tweeted it out on his own, "The tweet went viral, and within minutes the breaking news alerts and cable news chyrons started popping off."

That's when Trump responded.

Story here in The Independent, but similar recounts are at WaPo, even Vogue, among other outlets. Even CNN credited Mr Schorsch for the scoop.

This was not a clandestine raid by the FBI and didn't happen in a vacuum. They arrived in broad daylight with numerous vehicles and 30+ agents - many armed - so it's not like they were trying to get in and out of there unnoticed. Turtle's response sums it up nicely, and no reasonable person would think that Eric Trump slept through the whole thing. Trump and his team were likely on the phone from the start deciding how to handle it and when to start issuing public statements. Had they gone public while the raid was in progress it would've turned into a media circus and attracted no telling how many protesters. Bottom line is this was a show of force and a political statement by the FBI and DOJ, blessed by the Oval Office.

 

[muttly]

And Obama.

 

[danthewolf00]

And Obama.

No I think even Obama would have second thoughts on doing the raid....Obama is a smart man.....Biden is not smart.
Hillary Clinton would not even have second thoughts she would have sent in 3 times the agents and called the media herself.

 

[danthewolf00]

Obama got elected twice....
Hillary is to evil to get elected.
Biden is to dumb to get elected but somehow did.
And they all hate trump.

 

[ATeam]

What Do You Think About This Unimportant Question?

The answers don't matter in the grand scheme of things, but I find myself wondering. What do you think?

Is Judge Cannon taking the Labor Day weekend off before she returns to chambers to work on and/or issue her ruling in Donald J. Trump v. The United States? Or is she diligently sacrificing the three-day break she would otherwise have to labor away on the important task before her and get the ruling out ASAP?

Same question about the DOJ investigators. Are they taking the long weekend off, or are they sacrificing their three-day break to keep their shoulders on the wheel? They are free to do this since Judge Cannon did nothing to slow, complicate or stop the DOJ investigators cointinuing their work or might they be kicking back?

 

[RLENT]

A bias anti Trump magistrate that they shopped it to, instead of bringing it in front of an article 3 judge.

You should know (if you don't) that magistrate judges are routinely tasked with handling such mundane matters as authorizing search warrants in the court where this took place, possibly also in other jurisdictions as well.

“It didn’t strike me as unusual. It would be a magistrate judge,” Ilya Shapiro, senior fellow and constitutional expert at the Manhattan Institute, said of the search warrant’s approval. “District judges tend not to get involved.”

Despite what some twatwaffle @ Article III Project may assert.

It didn’t even include an office of legal counsel opinion with it.

Waaa waaa waaa ... cry harder maybe ?

Because they were afraid of what they would say and have to give relevant court cases like the 1988 Supreme Court, and 2012 rulings and previously held DOJ policy.

No need to go to OLC on matters relating to a private citizen, something which Trump is, now that he's no longer in office.

They took the easy path instead and just found a magistrate that had just recused himself previously because of a case involving Trump.

Wrong ("because of")

Reasons for that recusal are entirely unknown.

Could be as simple as he played cards every Friday night with one of the attorneys in that case.

It showed a lack of integrity in the DOJ to do it that way.

Sure ...

 

[RLENT]

Some have to accept the inconvenient fact that Trump was still President after the 2020 election, and also even after Jan 6, right up to around noon on January 20fh 2021.

Let us know if you ever figure out who those "some" are.

Up to that point, Trump had that stubborn little constitutional power to declassify any classified document he wanted.

Well, that's just wrong on it's face - and thankfully so: the Orange Moron can't unilaterally declassify "Noo-clee-ur" as he would say:

Why Trump can’t declassify documents about nuclear weapons

I suppose if one wanted to showcase their ignorance on matters classified, making a statement such as quoted above would certainly suffice.

At any rate, having the power to do something isn't the same as doing it.

Bummer for some not to accept that.

It would be ... if some actually were.

 

[RLENT]

I'd have to go back to double check, but I don't think Trump has asked any court to declare the search warrant and the search unlawful.

So far as I know that's the case.

Trump likes to manipulate his supporters into believing a lot that is untrue. In his public statements, he has often said the search is unlawful. But in court, where he would have to actually provide a legal case to be persuade a judge, he has not challenged the lawfulness of the warrant and search.

Fact.

It's a lawful search until a court says otherwise,

Yes.

and with Trump not challenging the search, no court will even consider that question.

Likely true ... although I wouldn't preclude the possibility of some screwball judge going there.

 

[muttly]

Let us know if you ever figure out who those "some" are.





Well, that's just wrong on it's face - and thankfully so: the Orange Moron can't unilaterally declassify "Noo-clee-ur" as he would say:

Why Trump can’t declassify documents about nuclear weapons

I suppose if one wanted to showcase their ignorance on matters classified, making a statement such as quoted above would certainly suffice.

At any rate, having the power to do something isn't the same as doing it.



It would be ... if some actually were.

Oh yes. The nuclear documents. Still waiting for the Fake News to correct that DOJ leak false story.

 

[RLENT]

A special master could possibly throw the whole warrant out if its found that the fbi lied once again.

No - that's not what special masters do.

Not even close.

And yes trump will be president again....hes better than what we got right now.

 

[RLENT]

Oh yes. The nuclear documents. Still waiting for the Fake News to correct that DOJ leak false story.

You should probably be more concerned with correcting your own incorrect (false) statements and let the media fend for themselves.

 

[muttly]

Let us know if you ever figure out who those "some" are.





Well, that's just wrong on it's face - and thankfully so: the Orange Moron can't unilaterally declassify "Noo-clee-ur" as he would say:

Why Trump can’t declassify documents about nuclear weapons

I suppose if one wanted to showcase their ignorance on matters classified, making a statement such as quoted above would certainly suffice.

At any rate, having the power to do something isn't the same as doing it.



It would be ... if some actually were.

Some have to realize that Trump was still President after J6 (up to January 20) and when he ordered the declassification of the documents, he was the final authority. Not obeying the order of a duly elected President makes them derelict in their duty.

 

[muttly]

You should probably be more concerned with correcting your own incorrect (false) statements and let the media fend for themselves.

The nuclear codes? That’s what they are going with?

 

[RLENT]

They were declassified.

Still no evidence of that.

There isn't a criminal enforcement mechanism to the records act, only civil.

It does not appear that the only records in question in this matter were presidential records ...

It appears that other federal records - such as agency records - were involved as well.

Probably why DOJ cited other laws than the PRA that were criminally violated.

There is no obstruction because no criminal laws were broken.

Judging from from DOJ's filings thus far that would appear to be incorrect.

Trump, when he was President, had the power to declassify any classified documents he wanted, EVEN AFTER J6, and up until noon Jan 20 2021.

So what ?

None of the laws cited in DOJ's filings thus far hinge specifically on whether the documents were classified or not.

 

[RLENT]

Some have to realize that Trump was still President after J6 (up to January 20) and when he ordered the declassification of the documents, he was the final authority. Not obeying the order of a duly elected President makes them derelict in their duty.

Largely inapplicable to the points I raised in the post that you were replying to.

Just more obfuscation and deflection.

#SAD!

 

[RLENT]

The nuclear codes? That’s what they are going with?

Pretty sure the issue isn't just limited to the "noo-clee-ur" codes ...