The Trump Card...

[ATeam]

The statute doesn’t pertain to Presidents because they have the power to declassify classified documents. Statutes don’t usurp constitutionally given powers.

My work day is not yet over but I did take a moment to check the political shows for info about the Trump response that was filed with the court this evening.

No claim is made that Trump declassified the documents. I know he's making that claim in public, but in court, where facts matter and facts are used to prosecute and defend Trump, he is silent about this. DOJ is telling the court classified documents were found at Mar-a-Lago. Trump is not denying the documents were there and he is not denying they are classified. That leaves the court with no alternative but to consider the documents classified.

No claim that the FBI planted evidence.

It's also interesting to note that Trump says nothing about obstruction of justice.

We'll learn more at tomorrow's hearing.

 

[ATeam]

Secret Service provides protection to Trump at Mar-a-Lago right? How would they do that unless they made sure the place was secure, along with the documents there?

I'm not going to argue with you about what the Secret Service protects and does not protect. They opened the door to the FBI who came in to search Trump's home and office. They did not thing to control the traffic around the places where the documents are said to be stored. Enough said.

Trump's s___t is weak on this and getting weaker.

 

[muttly]

For good reasons - they have already gone through the docs due to the Orange Doofus' incompetence in seeking timely redress for what he considers a wrong.

And it could/would impede the USIC's ability to conduct a damage assessment and take action to mitigate damage, which could involve safeguarding lives of CHS.



More likely FPOTUS ...

Just a flimsy excuse for not wanting an independent review to ensure fairness. Given their recent record of politicization, it’s the prudent thing to do to have it verified by someone else.

 

[muttly]

I'm not going to argue with you about what the Secret Service protects and does not protect. They opened the door to the FBI who came in to search Trump's home and office. They did not thing to control the traffic around the places where the documents are said to be stored. Enough said.

Trump's s___t is weak on this and getting weaker.

Kind of sounds like you expected a showdown between the Secret Service and the FBI. That’s not how it works.

 

[danthewolf00]

The secret service agents are there only to protect the former president from past enemies that want to kill him.....not from Democrats that just don't want him to run for president again....if he was to publicly announce that he was not running for president this would all blow over.

 

[RLENT]

The statute doesn’t pertain to Presidents because they have the power to declassify classified documents.

He is no longer President.

That status is conferred on someone for a term of four years, and once that four year term is over the status ends and they become ex-Presidents (assuming they are not re-elected - which the petulant Orange Manchild wasn't) and private citizens.

I assume you would concede that the statue does apply them.

Private citizens that is.

Statutes don’t usurp constitutionally given powers.

While true, that point is largely moot ... given the Orange Gasbag's status as an ex-President and private citizen.

 

[RLENT]

He had secret service protecting it, regardless what it was.

That's an assumption on your part.

And even if he did, so what ?

It's still appears to be multiple violations of at least several laws.

 

[RLENT]

Preview of where I'm going with this:

"Since the Aug. 8 search at Mar-a-Lago, Trump, his lawyers, and Fox News commentators have repeatedly incanted the refrain that there can be no crime because Trump had “declassified” everything anyway.

"As one Fox “legal commentator” asserted: “If Trump declassified them as he insists, then the statute involving the retention of ‘defense information’ has no relevance.”

"The problem with this alternate defense is that it is both legally inaccurate (because the relevant statutes apply, whether or not information is formally “classified”) and it actually is foreclosed by a Supreme Court case involving former president Richard Nixon,..." (Source)

Ruh-roh ...

 

[RLENT]

Secret Service provides protection to Trump at Mar-a-Lago right? How would they do that unless they made sure the place was secure, along with the documents there?

Really ?



Apparently they weren't able to keep this lady out - who gained access multiple times using a false identity:

Mar-a-Lago infiltrated numerous times by Ukrainian woman using fake name, report says

 

[RLENT]

Kind of sounds like you expected a showdown between the Secret Service and the FBI. That’s not how it works.

Yeah, no ... it didn't sound at all like he expected that.

Try again, only harder.

 

[RLENT]

The secret service agents are there only to protect the former president from past enemies that want to kill him.....

Wrong ... again.

not from Democrats that just don't want him to run for president again....

Correct ... for once.

if he was to publicly announce that he was not running for president this would all blow over.

Yeah, I don't think so.

If anything, it might speed up the coming indictment.

 

[RLENT]

Just a flimsy excuse for not wanting an independent review to ensure fairness.

... "fairness" ...



Nope ... it's an entirely valid reason (not excuse) - considering that human lives and national security are potentially at stake.

Given their recent record of politicization, it’s the prudent thing to do to have it verified by someone else.

That's what courts are for.

In a trial, a judge has the power to decide what evidence can be admitted or not.

Take for example Durham's big flame-out with Sussman: the judge there made a number of rulings on what could and could not be admitted.

BTW - did you know that Durham's star Deputy DeFillipis bailed on the Danchenko trial ?

Looks like he won't be attending ...

 

[danthewolf00]

Lol you think it's ok to not have a third party special master....it would make it very fair because all you need is someone with the clearance and is not for either side.

 

[danthewolf00]

If Republicans get control of the house and Senate expect to see biden impeached over Afghanistan and the southern border.
The southern border is reason enough to declare treason....because it involves the security of our nation.

 

[RLENT]

Lol you think it's ok to not have a third party special master....it would make it very fair because all you need is someone with the clearance and is not for either side.

I think it's ok not to have a special master because it's being offered by Trump for a number reasons, none of which serve the interests of the nation or Justice:

1. Delay.

2. In hopes of stacking the deck in his favor.

3. Attempting to alter the narrative (which he is certainly very good at) and distract from the actual issue at hand.

Additionally, it could potentially preclude the US Intelligence Community from doing a full damage assessment and taking any action to mitigate further damage from the Orange Moron's highly irresponsible and careless handling of our nation's secrets.

In any event, even if he were obtain a grant of a special master, if the ruling by that special master were to go against Liddle Trumpy Bear, the MAGAt's would still be screaming to High Heaven about the "Deep State" and whatever lunacies they could come up ... of which I'm entirely sure there would be no shortage of.

While I'm sure DOJ is focused on this immediate case, I think they also need to focus on the fact that Trump may possess additional stolen documents which may be secreted in other locations (aka his other properties)

 

[RLENT]

If Republicans get control of the house and Senate expect to see biden impeached over Afghanistan and the southern border.

Doubtful that is going to happen.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1565138642527567872

And being possessed of all my faculties and a sound mind, I'll certainly be praying that it doesn't.

The southern border is reason enough to declare treason....because it involves the security of our nation.

... declare Treason ?

Is that actually a thing ?



Is it like declaring war ?

Does it require a vote in Congress ?

"We hereby declare ... TREASON !!!"

 

[danthewolf00]

I think it's ok not to have a special master because it's being offered by Trump for a number reasons, none of which serve the interests of the nation or Justice:

1. Delay.

2. In hopes of stacking the deck in his favor.

3. Attempting to alter the narrative (which he is certainly very good at) and distract from the actual issue at hand.

Additionally, it could potentially preclude the US Intelligence Community from doing a full damage assessment and taking any action to mitigate further damage from the Orange Moron's highly irresponsible and careless handling of our nation's secrets.

In any event, even if he were obtain a grant of a special master, if the ruling by that special master were to go against Liddle Trumpy Bear, the MAGAt's would still be screaming to High Heaven about the "Deep State" and whatever lunacies they could come up ... of which I'm entirely sure there would be no shortage of.

While I'm sure DOJ is focused on this immediate case, I think they also need to focus on the fact that Trump may possess additional stolen documents which mayde be secreted in other locations (aka his other properties)

That is for the judge to decide not you not the doj or fbi.....not even Biden.....the judge.

 

[danthewolf00]

Doubtful that is going to happen.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1565138642527567872

And being possessed of all my faculties and a sound mind, I'll certainly be praying that it doesn't.





... declare Treason ?

Is that actually a thing ?



Is it like declaring war ?

Does it require a vote in Congress ?

"We hereby declare ... TREASON !!!"

Then explain what it is then because the amount of fentanyl coming in is getting crazy....its not just illegal immigrants its poisonous drugs....enough drugs to kill a mid size city on average.

 

[RLENT]

That is for the judge to decide not you not the doj or fbi.....not even Biden.....the judge.

Well Duh ...



BTW - it is for A JUDGE to decide ... just not necessarily THE particular judge currently hearing Trump's plea to be rescued in the Southern District of Florida

(Under the law, disputes between NARA and a former president must be brought in DC Federal Court)

If she is smart, she will bounce the matter right on out of her courtroom ... and not end up tarring herself with a stupid ruling at the very start of her judicial career that ultimately gets slapped down on appeal.

Beryl Howell - Chief United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia - is overseeing the Grand Jury that issued the subpoena that Trump (criminally) ignored.

Maybe Donnie needs to go have a heart-to-heart with her ?

 

[RLENT]

Then explain what it is then because the amount of fentanyl coming in is getting crazy....its not just illegal immigrants its poisonous drugs....enough drugs to kill a mid size city on average.

It's just another day in Paradise ...