The Trump Card...

[ATeam]

The issue also has to to with the delay of Google approving the app for Android users. They appear to be dragging their feet. No surprise there. Big tech has to make sure a Trump friendly social media site not flourish before an election.

There is nothing in the Fox News report about a delay. The issue is Truth Social's alleged failure to pay its bills. It's no more complicated than that. Truth Social is said to owe money to one of it's main vendors and that money has not been paid when due.

 

[ATeam]

Defendant shall publicly submit a response. Good, transparency is important.

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This Judge's preliminary intent to appoint a special master surprises me. I was expecting her to throw the lawsuit out of her court, or refer it to the appropriate duty judge above the magistrate, saying she did not have jurisdiction to take up the case.

What's next? Various filings per the judge's order and a possible appeal by DOJ. We'll see what develops out of those.

 

[ATeam]

This whole thing seems to have been written from the perspective that Trump packed his own boxes and was haphazardly throwing things together like a college student moving out of a dormitory at semester's end. We all know that Presidents don't pack/unpack anything - staffers do that, probably GSA or Secret Service to be specific. At this juncture it still remains to be determined whether or not the "classified records" or "highly classified records" referenced above were actually classified or had been declassified by Trump. The fact that they were allegedly mixed in with miscellaneous newspaper articles, notes, etc actually gives credence to the declassified claim.

Also, former DNI John Ratcliff made a good point in Trump's defense in pointing out the precedent set by the FBI and DOJ in 2016 with Hillary Clinton:

“Even if you assume the worst case scenario for President Trump, that there were classified documents in his possession at Mar-a-Lago, that only puts him where Hillary Clinton was. And what the FBI and the Department of Justice would have to show is that he knew the documents were there and he didn’t think they were declassified"

Former National Intelligence Director: Trump Has ‘Ultimate Declassification Authority' - Geller Report

Boom.

gellerreport.com

I do wonder how such a large number of documents marked classified physically got first accumulated from the secure file cabinets or vaults in which such things are kept and then got moved to Mar-a-Lago. We will likely find out as the case is developed by the investigators and prosecutors. I would think this would be a fairly easy thing for investigators to figure out. When a document is classified, it is treated in a special way. When I handled classified documents years ago as a U.S. Army soldier with a security clearance, each item was signed out and in. Each item had it's own audit trail.

To me, document accumulation and transportation is an interesting question, and an important one regarding White House security procedures, but bigger questions loom.

I do not wonder if the former president knew of the documents or if he failed to return them when first asked, and then was subpoenaed for them. I do not wonder because those details are already made known by documentary evidence now in the public domain.

Additionally, As the case develops I'm expecting we will learn that some of the "significant number of civilian witnesses" can testify that Trump indeed know he had them, knew it was wrong to have them, and took specific actions to retain them.

 

[muttly]

There is nothing in the Fox News report about a delay. The issue is Truth Social's alleged failure to pay its bills. It's no more complicated than that. Truth Social is said to owe money to one of it's main vendors and that money has not been paid when due.

My response was about Coalminer asking about how sites like Twitter and Truth Social make money. My response was advertising on Twitter. It helps when advertising to have the biggest possible audience correct?
Right now, Truth Social is still waiting for Google to approve their app. It is ready to go but they haven’t approved it yet. So right now, the Truth Social app is limited to Apple I phone users. Thus, a much more limited advertising market currently. That is all I was responding to.

 

[muttly]

Republican card? What is a Republican card and by what authority is is gained or lost?

Umm, it’s a metaphor. Ok? I already explained in previous post.

 

[Pilgrim]

I do wonder how such a large number of documents marked classified physically got first accumulated from the secure file cabinets or vaults in which such things are kept and then got moved to Mar-a-Lago. We will likely find out as the case is developed by the investigators and prosecutors. I would think this would be a fairly easy thing for investigators to figure out. When a document is classified, it is treated in a special way. When I handled classified documents years ago as a U.S. Army soldier with a security clearance, each item was signed out and in. Each item had it's own audit trail. To me, document accumulation and transportation is an interesting question, and an important one regarding White House security procedures, but bigger questions loom.

Maybe Barack Obama could enlighten us on the methods used to accumulate, store and then transport large quantities of documents from the Oval Office to a private facility. He took about 30 MILLION PAGES of documents (classified and otherwise) to a Chicago storage facility that were to be digitized and returned to NARA. BTW, to date not one page has been processed. To think that Obama or Trump or any other POTUS could personally keep track of all the individual classified items accumulated over their terms in office is preposterous. It's hard to even imagine the space required to house that amount of paper files.

I do not wonder if the former president knew of the documents or if he failed to return them when first asked, and then was subpoenaed for them. I do not wonder because those details are already made known by documentary evidence already in the public domain.

Additionally, As the case develops I'm expecting we will learn that some of the "significant number of civilian witnesses" can testify that Trump indeed know he had them, knew it was wrong to have them, and took specific actions to retain them.

That litigation - if it ever happens - will be interesting. The existence of a "significant number of civilian witnesses" that claim to know what Trump specifically knew about specific classified records would require unusual psychic powers on their part to have been able to read Trump's mind and then remember everything he knew in detail. This brings us back to the Hillary Clinton precedent mentioned in my previous post:

“Although there is evidence of potential violations regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case,”
- James Comey

Of course this outcome depends on having a reasonable prosecutor in charge. Regrardless, at the end of this circus act Trump haters will once again be disappointed.

 

[Pilgrim]

Trump responds:
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More about Judge Cannon's decision and her intent to appoint a special master:

Judge announces ‘preliminary intent to appoint a special master’ to review seized Trump records - Washington Examiner

A federal judge in Florida announced the court's "preliminary intent to appoint a special master" to review the documents seized during the FBI's raid of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate. U.S. District Court Judge Aileen Cannon said in a Saturday order that she was providing...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[ATeam]

Umm, it’s a metaphor. Ok? I already explained in previous post.

So according to your posts, you are the one who determines who is a Republican and who is not. Is that correct?

 

[danthewolf00]

So according to your posts, you are the one who determines who is a Republican and who is not. Is that correct?

Nope.....alot of Republicans think liz Cheney is not a Republican....she lost all of her cushy rolls in the Republican party after she voted to impeach trump.
Mitt Romney is more Republican than liz Cheney.

 

[RLENT]

This is new classified information once the President leaves office they he may or may not be privy to.

Nope.

If he isn't eligible to handle or access classified US government info after leaving office, he can't handle it or access it ... with some very limited exceptions.

The discretion of whether Citizen Trump has access generally in the present, is up to the current President.

And the current President revoked (or did not extend, if you prefer) Citizen Trump's ability to do either (handle/access).

David Priess, a former CIA officer who is now the publisher of Lawfare, a national security website and podcast producer, said presidents are not read out of classified programs when they leave office. That, he said, “is because presidents are not formally read in.”


Said Priess: “There’s a myth out there that presidents have a formal security clearance. They don’t.”


The “commander in chief has the ability to classify or declassify documents,” Priess said, by virtue of having been elected president by the American people. “A former president might receive access to limited classified material after leaving office to assist with writing memoirs or at the discretion of the current president, but a formal security clearance isn’t involved.”

Trump’s secret papers and the ‘myth’ of presidential security clearance

This is different than the presidential records that were generated while he was in office and is totally privy to all of it.

You keep using the term "presidential records".

Do you understand the difference between those and "agency" or "federal" records ?

Can you tell us what bearing the type of records they were (presidential, agency, or federal) might have on this situation ?

TWO SEPARATE THINGS.

Wrong.

 

[RLENT]

It was GSA, not political staffers.

LOL.

Still swallowing Kashyap's whoppers I see ... hook, line, and stinker ...

The General Services Administration, the federal agency charged with managing the government’s property, rebutted on Friday a claim made by former President Donald J. Trump’s aides that the agency had improperly packed hundreds of pages of documents with classified markings that were sent from the White House to Mr. Trump’s home in Florida when he left office.

The agency said that it had no role in packing the boxes.

The G.S.A.’s spokeswoman, Christina Wilkes said Friday that as is typical, “Members of the outgoing presidential transition team and their volunteers were responsible for packing items from the outgoing transition space into boxes.” She added, that “in this particular instance, the outgoing transition team was responsible for putting the boxes on pallets and shrink-wrapping each pallet.”

The agency said that while it was in charge of moving the boxes after they were packed, its personnel never examined the contents of the boxes, nor did it have any idea what was in them.

“As part of the services and support G.S.A. provides to all outgoing presidents, G.S.A. typically contracts for the transportation of items identified by the outgoing president as necessary to wind down the affairs of their office,” the agency said. “G.S.A. entered into a support contract in this particular instance for shipping of the pallets from Virginia to Florida — not for the packing of the boxes.”

Before the items were shipped by the G.S.A., it required members of Mr. Trump’s transition team “to certify in writing that the items being shipped were required to wind down the Office of the Former President and would be utilized as the office transitioned to its new location in Florida.”

The agency declined to say who on Mr. Trump’s transition team attested to that or what they specifically said about the items being moved.

Agency rebuts Trump’s claim that it packed boxes of material he took from White House.

Ol Kash in a heap o' trouble ... hope he has a good lawyer.

 

[RLENT]

According to reports from sources familiar with the way documents are produced. The “Intelligence agents” names are NOT on any of these “sensitive” documents.

So what ?

You think that a foreign intelligence has to have the full name to identify an asset of the USIC ?

The documents are filtered thru several times before it is produced to the President. If this is too complicated for some to understand, just watch the movie Mission Impossible 1. The NOC list is at Langley.

And the classified docs were at Mar-a-lago ... a Florida club/hotel with all sorts of randos roaming around.

 

[RLENT]

Yes. Did he take the documents while he wasn’t President?

Yes.

 

[RLENT]

Former Presidents have up to 12 years to go through the records and determine which ones to make public.

While that may be true, it's largely a deflection.

The records are not their personal property - they belong to the United States.

And the party who statutorily has possession and custody of the records is NARA, not a former president.

There is not a criminal remedy to the records act, only civil.

But there are criminal penalties to other portions of US law.

A smart ex-president would be wise to avoid violating those laws, lest he run afoul of the Department of Justice.

 

[muttly]

Yes.

Oh. He went into the WH after he was President and took the documents?

 

[RLENT]

He has access to presidential records SUBJECT TO the Presidential Records Act. He cannot move them about at will and store them as he pleases. Presidential records are not Trump property. They are the property of the United States.

The provisions of the Presidential Records Act, to which Trump is bound, are explained here.

Yes ... but that misses the point which I was making, namely that there are other (agency or federal) records which are classified which a president may see or come into possession of which are not presidential records.

 

[muttly]

While that may be true, it's largely a deflection.

The records are not their personal property - they belong to the United States.

And the party who statutorily has possession and custody of the records is NARA, not a former president.



But there are criminal penalties to other portions of US law.

A smart ex-president would be wise to avoid violating those laws, lest he run afoul of the Department of Justice.

Especially one as corrupt and politicized as the current DOJ where they concoct imaginary crimes that don’t exist and don’t pertain to him.

 

[RLENT]

Oh. He went into the WH after he was President and took the documents?

Nope ... but the "taking" transpired over a period of time, during which, his presidency ended.

The criminal act is ongoing.

 

[RLENT]

Especially one as corrupt and politicized as the current DOJ where they concoct imaginary crimes that don’t exist and don’t pertain to him.

Read the affidavit and search warrant - the DOJ spells out quite specifically which statutes appear to have been violated.

And they do actually exist.

People are prosecuted and jailed for violating them.

 

[muttly]

So according to your posts, you are the one who determines who is a Republican and who is not. Is that correct?

Liz Cheney doesn’t represent the values of a large amount of Wyoming Republicans that sent her down to an epic, historic, and crushing 50 point drubbing. I defer to them and their decision what a Republican is.