The Trump Card...

[RLENT]

So what? He still has access to all the presidential records.

One of the problems we have here is people may be getting confused about "the records".

We're potentially dealing with at least three types:

1. Personal records, owned by DJT.

2. Presidential records, owned by the US Government.

3. Agency or Federal records, owned by the US Government.

Trumpy Bear certainly has access to No. 1 and No. 2 ... but it's a fairly safe bet that No. 3 is now off-limits to him.

So the question is: How much of what we're talking about is No. 3, rather than No. 2 ?

My guess would be:

Almost all, if not all, of it.

 

[muttly]

In Florida, we just completed a primary election and dozens of Republicans lost. Are they no longer Republicans because they lost a primary election?

She was an incumbent too and lost by 50. And she is part the show trial that won’t look at the security breakdowns and the killing of the unarmed female protester Ashli Babbitt.
So she loses her Republican card.

 

[RLENT]

Pesky facts:

Opinions of rando twatwaffles are not necessarily facts.

 

[RLENT]

FWIW:

Whether or not former officials keep their eligibility and access to classified information is another issue more grounded in tradition than policy. It is common for outgoing presidents and officials to be ‘read in’ on issues and topics where their prior position and expertise are useful. This is at the discretion of the current sitting president. That means that any access to classified information a former president or government official obtains has to be granted – they can’t just walk into the CIAand say ‘brief me.’

Former Presidents and Eligibility to Access Classified Information

 

[muttly]

According to reports from sources familiar with the way documents are produced. The “Intelligence agents” names are NOT on any of these “sensitive” documents. The documents are filtered thru several times before it is produced to the President. If this is too complicated for some to understand, just watch the movie Mission Impossible 1. The NOC list is at Langley.

 

[muttly]

FWIW:



Former Presidents and Eligibility to Access Classified Information

This is new classified information once the President leaves office that he may or may not be privy to.
This is different than the presidential records that were generated while he was in office and is totally privy to all of it.
TWO SEPARATE THINGS.

 

[muttly]

You do realize he isn't president anymore right?

Yes. Did he take the documents while he wasn’t President?

 

[muttly]

Opinions of rando twatwaffles are not necessarily facts.

I’ll keep that in mind about EmptySpiel.

 

[Pilgrim]

The significance is Cheney and Rove are not Democrats who can be dismissed as such. It is significant that not all Republicans are MAGA Republicans. They remain an important minority voice in their party.

Cheney and Rove are both firmly in the Bush faction of the Never Trump Republicans. However, her influence going forward will be insignificant within the party at large. Rove will continue to be a political commentator for Fox, but he won't influence party policy or platforms. Like it or not, Trump moves the GOP right now but DeSantis could easily move in to take his place if things don't go his way in court. It would be a seamless transition and a lot of Republicans - MAGA and moderates alike - would breath a sigh of relief.

 

[muttly]

No one can argue with "so what?" and I'm not going to try. That's your option. Dismiss forever whatever you do now want to be true and dismiss all who disagree. Deny, deny, deny, no matter how much it rains and how wet you get.

Was the Hunter Biden Laptop story true or false? It was denied to be true over and over again. About 2 years ago the “intelligence”community was saying publicly that it was Russian disinformation and the FBI had field agents warn Facebook of an incoming dump of Russian disinformation right before the Laptop story broke. The Russian disinformation narrative was a ruse to influence the election.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1563321871000424450

 

[muttly]

I'm sorry but I do not understand what you are saying. Can you elaborate? What takes years? What remedy to what thing?

Former Presidents have up to 12 years to go through the records and determine which ones to make public. There is not a criminal remedy to the records act, only civil.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1563323385626513412

 

[muttly]

Not surprising, how does a corporation like that make any money? There are no advertisements and no fees for the users so how are they making any money?

I don't have a Twitter account, but is there advertising there or do they have another source of income?

The issue also has to to with the delay of Google approving the app for Android users. They appear to be dragging their feet. No surprise there. Big tech has to make sure a Trump friendly social media site not flourish before an election.

 

[Pilgrim]

As I explained above, information in the redacted affidavit. Specifically,

"The NARA Referral stated that according to NARA's White House Liaison Division Director, a preliminary review of the FIFTEEN BOXES indicated that they contained "newspapers, magazines, printed news articles, photos, miscellaneous print-outs, notes, presidential correspondence, personal and post-presidential records, and 'a lot of classified records.' Of most significant concern was that highly classified records were unfoldered, intermixed with other records (emphasis mine) and otherwise unproperly [sic] identified."

This whole thing seems to have been written from the perspective that Trump packed his own boxes and was haphazardly throwing things together like a college student moving out of a dormitory at semester's end. We all know that Presidents don't pack/unpack anything - staffers do that, probably GSA or Secret Service to be specific. At this juncture it still remains to be determined whether or not the "classified records" or "highly classified records" referenced above were actually classified or had been declassified by Trump. The fact that they were allegedly mixed in with miscellaneous newspaper articles, notes, etc actually gives credence to the declassified claim.

Also, former DNI John Ratcliff made a good point in Trump's defense in pointing out the precedent set by the FBI and DOJ in 2016 with Hillary Clinton:

“Even if you assume the worst case scenario for President Trump, that there were classified documents in his possession at Mar-a-Lago, that only puts him where Hillary Clinton was. And what the FBI and the Department of Justice would have to show is that he knew the documents were there and he didn’t think they were declassified"

Former National Intelligence Director: Trump Has ‘Ultimate Declassification Authority' - Geller Report

Boom.

gellerreport.com

 

[coalminer]

The issue also has to to with the delay of Google approving the app for Android users. They appear to be dragging their feet. No surprise there. Big tech has to make sure a Trump friendly social media site not flourish before an election.

I always thought Apple was more demanding than google, the thing is anyone can write an android app and distribute it but you need their approval to add it to the play store.


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[muttly]

I always thought Apple was more demanding than google, the thing is anyone can write an android app and distribute it but you need their approval to add it to the play store.


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They are still waiting.

 

[muttly]

This whole thing seems to have been written from the perspective that Trump packed his own boxes and was haphazardly throwing things together like a college student moving out of a dormitory at semester's end. We all know that Presidents don't pack/unpack anything - staffers do that, probably GSA or Secret Service to be specific. At this juncture it still remains to be determined whether or not the "classified records" or "highly classified records" referenced above were actually classified or had been declassified by Trump. The fact that they were allegedly mixed in with miscellaneous newspaper articles, notes, etc actually gives credence to the declassified claim.

Also, former DNI John Ratcliff made a good point in Trump's defense in pointing out the precedent set by the FBI and DOJ in 2016 with Hillary Clinton:

“Even if you assume the worst case scenario for President Trump, that there were classified documents in his possession at Mar-a-Lago, that only puts him where Hillary Clinton was. And what the FBI and the Department of Justice would have to show is that he knew the documents were there and he didn’t think they were declassified"

Former National Intelligence Director: Trump Has ‘Ultimate Declassification Authority' - Geller Report

Boom.

gellerreport.com

It was GSA, not political staffers.

 

[muttly]

Defendant shall publicly submit a response. Good, transparency is important.

 

[muttly]

Trump responds:

 

[ATeam]

One of the problems we have here is people may be getting confused about "the records".

We're potentially dealing with at least three types:

1. Personal records, owned by DJT.

2. Presidential records, owned by the US Government.

3. Agency or Federal records, owned by the US Government.

Trumpy Bear certainly has access to No. 1 and No. 2 ... but it's a fairly safe bet that No. 3 is now off-limits to him.

So the question is: How much of what we're talking about is No. 3, rather than No. 2 ?

My guess would be:

Almost all, if not all, of it.

He has access to presidential records SUBJECT TO the Presidential Records Act. He cannot move them about at will and store them as he pleases. Presidential records are not Trump property. They are the property of the United States.

The provisions of the Presidential Records Act, to which Trump is bound, are explained here.

 

[ATeam]

She was an incumbent too and lost by 50. And she is part the show trial that won’t look at the security breakdowns and the killing of the unarmed female protester Ashli Babbitt.
So she loses her Republican card.

Republican card? What is a Republican card and by what authority is is gained or lost?