RLENT
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About that "abuse of power" ...
The Trump Card...
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About that "abuse of power" ...
danthewolf00
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danthewolf00
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Who says he illegally took them ? If they was declassified by trump then they were re classified under biden....I wonder when the reclassification happened....
They could have just got a subpoena for the documents, but they chose the most intrusive method possible instead.
As usual, Tucker laying down the pesky truth:
RLENT
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Wrong again:
Trump posted about it on Truth Social @ 13:22 on Monday, August 15th.
Trump's own spokesperson posted an email - from DOJ informing him that the passports would be returned - that was timestamped on Monday August 15th @ 10:49 AM.
Just to be clear: 10:49 AM is before 13:22 (which 1:22 PM)
Muttly even posted it.
The Trumpalos just can't keep anything straight ...
RLENT
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LOL.
Anyone with half of a functioning brain ?
They are US government property.
Wut ?
RLENT
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DOJ sent down Jay Bratt - the Chief of the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section (CES) of the National Security Division - personally in June or July or something.
And Trump still didn't turn over all that he was required to under the law.
In fact, his lawyer - Evan Corcoran - even told DOJ (in writing I believe) that Trump no longer had any US government property (docs)
So Evan Corcoran has legal exposure as well ... for lying to the Feds ... unless he throws Trump under the bus by claiming Trump lied to him.
danthewolf00
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Trump said he declassified the documents.
Democrats say biden reclassified the documents.
So WHEN were the documents reclassified.
The fbi had nearly 2 years to get ALL of the documents.....why now? Is it because trump might go up for reelection?
Democrats say biden reclassified the documents.
So WHEN were the documents reclassified.
The fbi had nearly 2 years to get ALL of the documents.....why now? Is it because trump might go up for reelection?
So what? The media was claiming Trump was lying that the Keystone Kops didn’t have the passports, which they did. Maybe the “news” media should get better sources and not believe everything the regime tells them.Wrong again:
Trump posted about it on Truth Social @ 13:22 on Monday, August 15th.
Trump's own spokesperson posted an email - from DOJ informing him that the passports would be returned - that was timestamped on Monday August 15th @ 10:49 AM.
Just to be clear: 10:49 AM is before 13:22 (which 1:22 PM)
Muttly even posted it.
The Trumpalos just can't keep anything straight ...
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So what? Get a another subpoena and have a judge sign off on it compelling him to turn over the specific documents in question.DOJ sent down Jay Bratt - the Chief of the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section (CES) of the National Security Division - personally in June or July or something.
And Trump still didn't turn over all that he was required to under the law.
In fact, his lawyer - Evan Corcoran - even told DOJ (in writing I believe) that Trump no longer had any US government property (docs)
So Evan Corcoran has legal exposure as well ... for lying to the Feds ... unless he throws Trump under the bus by claiming Trump lied to him.
That's not correct. Biden (or any other president) can only wave a magic wand and declare a previously declassified document as reclassified only if two things are true: one, the information that was declassified must not have been released publicly; and two, the declassification happened automatically.
All classified documents have a classification shelf life. Some documents have an explicit declassification date printed right on the document, say, 5 years, or whatever, if the Classification Authority (President, Vice-President, Agency heads, and others delegated to do so by the same) deems such a date is reasonable and warranted. All others have a 25 year shelf life that ends Dec 31st on the 25th year of classification. There are some exceptions to the 25 years, such as if a document would reveal confidential human sources, enable people to build or use WMD, reveal war plans still in effect, compromise cryptography, would damage US-Foreign relations, and other basic national security things.
But, for example, if an agency head, or, say, a former president intentionally declassified a document, that's a bell that cannot be unrung, unless all of the information released can reasonably be recovered. A new president can certainly reverse a previous president's executive orders by penning a new executive order, but he (or she) can't reclassify something that was intentionally declassified by an individual.
In the case of reclassification of automatically declassified materials, the same process to re-classify them still has to be followed (marking the documents, registering the documents, etc.). The president can't just deem them classified and not communicate that to others (because if someone doesn't know they've been reclassified, they might release it to the public).
As far as I know, and I could be wrong, the last time a president updated the rules on classification was Junior Bush in 2003.
Wow, one guy's opinion! Oh, oh, you convinced me!
Yeah ... relevant case law would probably be something to look at ... preferably before making any pronouncements on whether the search was legal, violated the 4th Amendment, was over broad, etc.
(yes, I know exactly who Orin is)
Because the GSA boxed them up and sent them there.
Loaded question fallacy. The question assumes Trump himself removed the documents, or explicitly ordered or directed their removal, and knew he was breaking the law when he did so.
Russia Collusion, an actual agent of Russia!
Remember that? Now it's...
Espionage!
One Trick Pony, it is.
RLENT
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Well, since we ARE all talking about "magical powers" ...
According to Kash they didn't need to be reclassified ... since they were never actually declassified in the first place:
For all those clamoring for subpoenas, you got my vote for that one !
Maybe because it took them some time to find or figure it out ... and they finally got tired of getting jerked around for nearly two years by the Orange Moron ?
Probably not.
RLENT
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Well ... it certainly refutes Dan's recent (incorrect) claim that DOJ didn't act to return the passports until Trump squealed like a stuck pig in public about it.
Fact is, DOJ had already acted to do so prior to Trump saying anything publicly and had informed Trump's team.
Which is probably how El Trumpo found out.
So what ?
Who says it was "the regime" ?
For all we know it could have been some right-winger source in the DOJ ... feeding misinformation to the media, just to try and make them look bad.
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RLENT
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Yup - you are wrong - it was Obama in 2009, in Executive Order 13526:
The President Executive Order 13526
Trump never bothered to issue his own EO on classification apparently ... probably because as his former CoS John Kelly said: Trump "... didn't believe in the classification system ..."
John Kelly: Trump ‘didn’t believe in the classification system’
Trump knew he (Trump) knew best.
Morons are always the smartest guys in the room ...
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RLENT
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Ol' Fishsticks is another moronic jenius ... with a capital "J":
Probably still hurting that the CIA turned him down and rejected his application.
RLENT
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No, sorry ... that don't fly.
Nice deflection though.
It's a law and a legal requirement that Presidential records be transferred to NARA.
Who's responsibility is it to see that this nation's laws are upheld and carried out ?
Who swore an oath to do the same ?
Who's responsibility is it to see that the laws are faithfully executed ?
Source:
Justice Dept. Objects to Releasing Affidavit Used to Search Trump’s Home
Chickens be coming home to roost ...
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