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muttly

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No, you're taking my characterization of what occurred and substituting that for the actual judgement that the officer made at the time and saying they are the same thing.

They aren't.

Not even remotely.



An out-of-control mob of unhinged lunatics cannot be reasoned with.

Nonetheless, some attempts were made (attempts to de-escalate)

When interacting with officers charged with protecting our nation's Capitol and our elected officials, ignore their commands and what they are telling you at your own peril.
Except no command was given by Defcon1 officer. It was shoot first and talk about it later.
 

muttly

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Read the charging documents.

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I'd say - just from his general behavior - it's because there's some question as to whether or not he poses a danger to the general public.

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6 months to have a competency hearing? Sounds so shock and aweish by DOJ.
I haven't heard that he did anything violent. But they kept him in jail anyway. The Left is not for civil rights for political dissidents. That ship has sailed now.
 

RLENT

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6 months to have a competency hearing?

Doubtful.

You asked why he was STILL in jail ... it's a fair bet that questions about his competency didn't come up immediately.

From what I can recall though, he didn't do himself any favors with his conduct while in the criminal justice system after he was arrested.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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Sounds so shock and aweish by DOJ.

Go to war against the Government and you can probably expect a little "shock and awe" ...

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I haven't heard that he did anything violent. But they kept him in jail anyway.

He left a threatening note on the Speaker's Dais.

Try leaving threatening notes for federal officials and see what that gets you.

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The Left is not for civil rights for political dissidents.

Sure they are ... they're just not for allowing half-wit, lunatic traitors to carelessly destroy our little social experiment of 200+ years.
 

ATeam

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What was his crime? Did he commit violence or just trespass? Why is he still in jail? "Shock and awe" prosecutorial strategy?

"Jacob Anthony Chansley, a.k.a. Jake Angeli, of Arizona, was charged with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and with violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds ... " (Source)

According to his attorney, Chansley is in jail because "... had been brainwashed by Mr Trump's propaganda ... " (Source)

According to the judge, Chansley remains in jail because, "The Court is not persuaded that defendant’s mother will ensure his compliance with any conditions of release imposed, and defendant identifies no other custodian.” (Source) From other news articles on the topic, I gather the judge formed that opinion after, while in jail, Chansley appeared on 60 Minutes without Court permission and there lied about his behavior at the Capitol on Jan 6.

It seems the judge does not trust Chansley to play by the rules and return for court proceedings if he is released. In this case, I'm inclined to agree with the judge. If the guy can't follow the rules while he is in jail, there is little reason to believe he'll follow the rules if he is released.
 
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6 months to have a competency hearing?
The timing of the competency hearing was determined by Chansley's attorney as the hearing is being held at the attorney's request. The judge agreed to have such a hearing AFTER it was requested. Chansley's attorney initiated the process to have this hearing, not the judge and not the prosecution.
 
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"Jacob Anthony Chansley, a.k.a. Jake Angeli, of Arizona, was charged with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and with violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds ... " (Source)

According to his attorney, Chansley is in jail because "... had been brainwashed by Mr Trump's propaganda ... " (Source)

According to the judge, Chansley remains in jail because, "The Court is not persuaded that defendant’s mother will ensure his compliance with any conditions of release imposed, and defendant identifies no other custodian.” (Source) From other news articles on the topic, I gather the judge formed that opinion after, while in jail, Chansley appeared on 60 Minutes without Court permission and there lied about his behavior at the Capitol on Jan 6.

It seems the judge does not trust Chansley to play by the rules and return for court proceedings if he is released. In this case, I'm inclined to agree with the judge. If the guy can't follow the rules while he is in jail, there is little reason to believe he'll follow the rules if he is released.
So he's still in jail because he appeared on 60 minutes. Seems frivolous at best. From what I've heard, he didn't commit any violence that day.
 

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The timing of the competency hearing was determined by Chansley's attorney as the hearing is being held at the attorney's request. The judge agreed to have such a hearing AFTER it was requested. Chansley's attorney initiated the process to have this hearing, not the judge and not the prosecution.
My main point is that there is an individual still in jail 6 months later awaiting trial that reportedly didn't commit any violence. Is this the new standard of the DOJ with people that disagree with then politically? To keep them in jail excessively for non violent crimes? His mental well being has apparently been declining due to solitary confinement and an apparent excessive jail detention for non violent actions that day.
 

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So he's still in jail because he appeared on 60 minutes. Seems frivolous at best. From what I've heard, he didn't commit any violence that day.
No, he is not still in jail because he appeared on 60 minutes. He is still in jail because he broke the judge's rule when he appeared on 60 Minutes. The rule breech may seem frivolous to you, but it does not seem frivolous to the judge who imposed the rule. Frankly, they guy was just stupid to do that if he later hoped to convince the judge to release him to house arrest.
 
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My main point is that there is an individual still in jail 6 months later awaiting trial that reportedly didn't commit any violence. Is this the new standard of the DOJ with people that disagree with then politically? To keep them in jail excessively for non violent crimes? His mental well being has apparently been declining due to solitary confinement and an apparent excessive jail detention for non violent actions that day.
You emphasize the "didn't commit any violence" aspect. Not every crime is a violent crime and there are lots of people in jail for committing crimes that are not crimes of violence.
 
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You emphasize the "didn't commit any violence" aspect. Not every crime is a violent crime and there are lots of people in jail for committing crimes that are not crimes of violence.
In jail for over 6 months waiting trial for a non violent offense?
You don't see anything wrong with that?
Tell me again how the Left is for civil liberties and all that.
 

danthewolf00

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No, you're taking my characterization of what occurred and substituting that for the actual judgement that the officer made at the time and saying they are the same thing.

They aren't.

Not even remotely.



An out-of-control mob of unhinged lunatics cannot be reasoned with.

Nonetheless, some attempts were made (attempts to de-escalate)

When interacting with officers charged with protecting our nation's Capitol and our elected officials, ignore their commands and what they are telling you at your own peril.
So a federal court house (portland) was almost set on fire while employees were in the building by blm/antifa protesters is not the same as what happened in the Capitol building....you and I have vastly different views then.
 
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So a federal court house (portland) was almost set on fire while employees were in the building by blm/antifa protesters is not the same as what happened in the Capitol building....you and I have vastly different views then.
They have double standards of justice, no doubt.
 
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