The Trump Card...

[danthewolf00]

And it just made the news that they declined to press charges against trump.....

 

[RLENT]

Nobody heard him.

If that's what you believe, then why did you even ask ?

 

[RLENT]

The answer to the last question is NO. As it should be.

Yeah ... drawing a semi-auto firearm in an extremely close-quarters altercation with a raging mob is a bit of a dubious proposition isn't it ?

 

[RLENT]

So rlent by your reasoning attacking a federal court house with fireworks and trying to set it on fire while federal employees are in side defending it is ok but not with what happened at the Capitol building.

Nope.

You are the problem not me then.

Also: nope.

 

[RLENT]

And it just made the news that they declined to press charges against trump.....

Which "news" outlet was that ?

 

[muttly]

Wow. Prosecutors going down rabbit holes to get Trump because he gave them cars and apartments. TDS much?

 

[RLENT]

I didn't see her give anyone crap.

Pay closer attention to what you're watching or a find better sources then.

I believe the link I previously posted shows her screaming at one officer at least ... while wildly waving her arms in his face.

If it didn't, this one certainly does:

Video shows fatal shooting of Ashli Babbitt in the Capitol

Just climbed thru a glass where she wasn't supposed to be.

Nope - watch the video.

Rioters and looters do that all the time. (go in areas where there not supposed to be) The response of officers is not to shoot them.

An appropriate response depends on the nature of the threat.

I certainly back the blue, but not incompetence by an officer that resulted in a bad shooting.

Department of Justice Closes Investigation into the Death of Ashli Babbitt

Most police experts say it was a ridiculous use of force.

Another survey that you have personally undertaken ?

But some I guess are willing to believe whatever authorities tell them about the justification for it.

I don't have to believe whatever authorities tell me ... I have my own eyes and ears.

And are not interested at all about the internal investigation if it. About 7 months later and still no release of the name of the officer.

Given the violent nature of some of the verifiablely psychotic losers that Trump seems to attract - and the calls they have issued to publicly dox the officer - likely for retribution, via an act of stochastic terrorism - it's probably a good thing that his name hasn't been released, at least as far as he and his family are concerned.

In any other case not involving a Trump supporter you would already know the namel(within a day) and there certainly would be more transparency. Not cloaked in secrecy.

Should we have a little pity party for the poor, downtrodden Trump supporters then ?

 

[muttly]

Yeah ... drawing a semi-auto firearm in an extremely close-quarters altercation with a raging mob is a bit of a dubious proposition isn't it ?

Yet an officer without a name blasted away on someone from the other side of the glass at least 10 feet away.

 

[danthewolf00]

Pay closer attention to what you're watching or a find better sources then.

I believe the link I previously posted shows her screaming at one officer at least ... while wildly waving her arms in his face.

If it didn't, this one certainly does:

Video shows fatal shooting of Ashli Babbitt in the Capitol



Nope - watch the video.



An appropriate response depends on the nature of the threat.



Department of Justice Closes Investigation into the Death of Ashli Babbitt



Another survey that you have personally undertaken ?



I don't have to believe whatever authorities tell me ... I have my own eyes and ears.



Given the violent nature of some of the verifiablely psychotic losers that Trump seems to attract - and the calls they have issued to publicly dox the officer - likely for retribution, via an act of stochastic terrorism - it's probably a good thing that his name hasn't been released, at least as far as he and his family are concerned.



Should we have a little pity party for the poor, downtrodden Trump supporters then ?

If you call trump supporters violent then you definitely have to call blm and antifa supporters dangerously violent because they burned down a post office, bank and used frozen water bottles and fireworks on cops.

 

[RLENT]

Yet an officer without a name blasted away on someone from the other side of the glass at least 10 feet away.

He wasn't at close quarters and had enough distance to safely draw his weapon without the prospect of being immediately disarmed.

And she was the lead person at the head of a violent, angry mob which was illegally attempting to gain access to the persons of elected officials.

Tragic, but she crossed a line she shouldn't have.

 

[muttly]

Pay closer attention to what you're watching or a find better sources then.

I believe the link I previously posted shows her screaming at one officer at least ... while wildly waving her arms in his face.

If it didn't, this one certainly does:

Video shows fatal shooting of Ashli Babbitt in the Capitol



Nope - watch the video.



An appropriate response depends on the nature of the threat.



Department of Justice Closes Investigation into the Death of Ashli Babbitt



Another survey that you have personally undertaken ?



I don't have to believe whatever authorities tell me ... I have my own eyes and ears.



Given the violent nature of some of the verifiablely psychotic losers that Trump seems to attract - and the calls they have issued to publicly dox the officer - likely for retribution, via an act of stochastic terrorism - it's probably a good thing that his name hasn't been released, at least as far as he and his family are concerned.



Should we have a little pity party for the poor, downtrodden Trump supporters then ?

Transparency is important. Is it not. His drug test was clear? Standard operation to provide the public of officers name. Unless you are for two different standards determined by the victim's political views?

 

[RLENT]

If you call trump supporters violent

I didn't call all Trump supporters violent.

But some of them certainly seem inclined.

Being part of larger group - particularly one in which some are highly inclined towards violence - makes some folks find the motivation to do things they otherwise would not even consider doing were they acting as a lone individual.

It's false bravado and actually a form of cowardice.

then you definitely have to call blm and antifa supporters dangerously violent because they burned down a post office, bank and used frozen water bottles and fireworks on cops.

I wouldn't paint all blm or antifa supporters with a broad brush like that ... just as wouldn't paint all Trump supporters as violent.

 

[muttly]

He wasn't at close quarters and had enough distance to safely draw his weapon without the prospect of being immediately disarmed.

And she was the lead person at the head of a violent, angry mob which was illegally attempting to gain access to the persons of elected officials.

Tragic, but she crossed a line she shouldn't have.

She didnt carry a firearm, like all of them there. Unarmed woman could have been apprehended without lethal force. Policing 101

 

[RLENT]

Transparency is important. Is it not. His drug test was clear? Standard operation to provide the public of officers name. Unless you are for two different standards determined by the victim's political views?

It isn't a question of the political views of the now-deceased perp ... but rather a question of safety for the officer and his family from the unhinged loonies that Trump seems to inspire ...

 

[RLENT]

She didnt carry a firearm, like all of them there.

That would be hindsight, officer had no way of knowing whether or not she was carrying.

BTW - at least three folks were carrying firearms that day.

Unarmed woman could have been apprehended without lethal force. Policing 101

Perhaps ...

OTOH, her breaching that barrier could have inspired the mob behind her to rush the lone officer defending that door and become even more violent.

Poor decisions - like hers - can have tragic consequences.

In her case, she won the "stupid prize" ...

 

[RLENT]

Good grief. Some should just let it go already.

In the name of "Bipartisanship" ... right ?

 

[muttly]

In the name of "Bipartisanship" ... right ?

Trump did. 60 minutes interview. .

 

[ATeam]

And it just made the news that they declined to press charges against trump.....

At present, this is correct.

Yesterday, Trump lawyer "Fischetti also said that Vance’s team told him they will not bring charges against Trump himself when the first indictment comes down." (Source)

Notice the words "first indictment." Trump's lawyer seems to expect more indictments are coming.

Two other points:

1. The Trump Organization IS Donald Trump. It is his brand, his identity, his way of life for most of his adult life. While there is a technical difference between the man and the corporation the man owns, that difference evaporates in the practical realm. If a bank repossesses your truck because you defaulted on the loan, technically, they did not come after you, they came after your truck. There is a difference between you and your truck, but as a practical matter taking action to repo the truck is an action against you.

2. I did not know this before but recently read that if a company is convicted of a felony, that company cannot hold a liquor license. While many are dismissing the expected charges against the Trump Organization as minor, they are felonies. If you own golf courses, restaurants and hotels, losing the liquor licenses they now hold is no small thing.

 

[muttly]

That would be hindsight, officer had no way of knowing whether or not she was carrying.

BTW - at least three folks were carrying firearms that day.



Perhaps ...

OTOH, her breaching that barrier could have inspired the mob behind her to rush the lone officer defending that door and become even more violent.

Poor decisions - like hers - can have tragic consequences.

In her case, she won the "stupid prize" ...

I would think that would be an important determining factor to find out before using deadly force. If she were armed. Policing 101. But officer appears to have failed that course.

 

[muttly]

It isn't a question of the political views of the now-deceased perp ... but rather a question of safety for the officer and his family from the unhinged loonies that Trump seems to inspire ...

Some can rationalize anything if they try hard enough. The officers safety wasn't in immediate jeopardy, is the point. Unless the woman continued to close ground on him with a weapon. But it was a hair trigger shoot.