The Trump Card...

[Ragman]

You say he "got people killed". Who exactly are you referring to?

Really! Amazing such a question is asked! Smh
5 people died that day. Everybody knows it.
Please dont play that game. Have some respect!

 

[muttly]

Really! Amazing such a question is asked! Smh
5 people died that day. Everybody knows it.
Please dont play that game. Have some respect!

That should be directed at someone else. I'm not the one who said "got people killed".

 

[Pilgrim]

You say he incited a riot. There are multiple reports that a lot of it was preplanned about a couple months. So his speech didnt incite the riot. Also there is a report that Trump requested that 10,000 National Troops be ready. Both Sgt. Of arms in House and Senate didn't take action on the request. What did Nancy and Mitch know and when did they know it? This impeachment thing could very well be mostly a coverazz excercise for gross incompetence.
It makes no sense that Trump would try to incite a riot when he also wanted National Troops to be present. # Factsmatter1
You say he "got people killed". Who exactly are you referring to?

How quickly we forget that both the FBI and the National Guard offered assistance to the Capitol Police prior to the event and their offers were rejected flat out. One only has to see the video to understand how woefully untrained and unprepared these keystone cops were in dealing with this large crowd. One would think they would've at least had the sense to set up a perimeter and make sure key areas were protected.

Capitol Police turned down help from FBI, National Guard before siege

The US Capitol Police refused to accept help from the FBI and National Guard before President Trump’s supporters stormed the Capitol, according to a report. The Pentagon offered Sunday to sen…

nypost.com

 

[Ragman]

That should be directed at someone else. I'm not the one who said "got people killed".

You responded to RLENT asking who got killed. Does it really matter who. The fact of the matter is 5 people died that day.
#haverespect

 

[muttly]

How quickly we forget that both the FBI and the National Guard offered assistance to the Capitol Police prior to the event and their offers were rejected flat out. One only has to see the video to understand how woefully untrained and unprepared these keystone cops were in dealing with this large crowd. One would think they would've at least had the sense to set up a perimeter and make sure key areas were protected.

Capitol Police turned down help from FBI, National Guard before siege

The US Capitol Police refused to accept help from the FBI and National Guard before President Trump’s supporters stormed the Capitol, according to a report. The Pentagon offered Sunday to sen…

nypost.com

I'd like to know an accurate number of the two crowds. I keep hearing people saying over a hundred thousand were there. But other estimates have said much lower. But 10,000. troops with riot gear with pepper spray, tear gas, and rubber bullets used when necessary would have clamped down any unrest with minimal injuries.

 

[muttly]

You responded to RLENT asking who got killed. Does it really matter who. The fact of the matter is 5 people died that day.
#haverespect

Yes it matters. For one, the false assertion that "got people killed" due to Trump.

 

[RLENT]

Unlike some I'm not in favor of criminal referrals without evidence.

Plenty of evidence presented today.

 

[RLENT]

Really! Amazing such a question is asked! Smh

LOL ... yup.

But then some folks can't see evidence when it's laid out in front of them.

5 people died that day. Everybody knows it.

At least the ones who aren't fully delusional anyways.

Please dont play that game. Have some respect!

When political power (and saving face) is at stake, respect takes a back seat.

 

[RLENT]

Yes it matters. For one, the false assertion that "got people killed" due to Trump.

Nope, not false.

#watchthetrial

 

[muttly]

How quickly we forget that both the FBI and the National Guard offered assistance to the Capitol Police prior to the event and their offers were rejected flat out. One only has to see the video to understand how woefully untrained and unprepared these keystone cops were in dealing with this large crowd. One would think they would've at least had the sense to set up a perimeter and make sure key areas were protected.

Capitol Police turned down help from FBI, National Guard before siege

The US Capitol Police refused to accept help from the FBI and National Guard before President Trump’s supporters stormed the Capitol, according to a report. The Pentagon offered Sunday to sen…

nypost.com

One episode with the Police that was strange was when a video showed them standing by the glass doors and that camera guy Jaden X told them to leave and they just moved out of the way and let the Kevlar helmet guy break the glass. That is when that woman began to climb thru the opening and was quickly shot and killed. There are a couple of very "questionable" moves that they did. For one, why did they just nonchalantly leave their post in front of the doors? Didn't they know that there were additional police behind the door with guns drawn and already at Defcon1? Not sure if they knew that or not, but no warning commands that if you enter you will be shot. No attempt to stop them from breaking glass. No attempt to use necessary force less than lethal to subdue the unarmed woman by the officer that did the shooting.

 

[muttly]

Nope, not false.

#watchthetrial

Yes. False

 

[RLENT]

That should be directed at someone else.

Wrong.

I'm not the one who said "got people killed".

Correct.

 

[RLENT]

Yes. False

Nope.

"But for Donald John Trump ..."

Very sad ... but entirely true.

 

[muttly]

LOL ... yup.

But then some folks can't see evidence when it's laid out in front of them.



At least the ones who aren't fully delusional anyways.



When political power (and saving face) is at stake, respect takes a back seat.

Well, for one the impeachment document entered by the Democrats said that one officers died as a result of getting hit in the head with a fire extinguisher. That assertion(which you also repeated) appears to be false. They havent found evidence that the officer was hit over the head or that he suffered blunt force trauma to the head, according to reports But it was repeated over and over again in the media as fact.
There are reports that the officer may have died from a stroke or had a reaction to the pepper spray.

 

[muttly]

Here is the report I was referring to:

archive.ph

 

[muttly]

It makes you wonder why they're rushing through the impeachment trial with erroneously information in their charging document.

 

[muttly]

Plenty of evidence presented today.

"Evidence"

 

[RLENT]

Well, for one the impeachment document entered by the Democrats said that one officers died as a result of getting hit in the head with a fire extinguisher. That assertion (which you also repeated) appears to be false.

Not necessarily false ...

They havent found evidence that the officer was hit over the head or that he suffered blunt force trauma to the head, according to reports

"... according to reports ..."



Fact is, we are at the mercy of the investigating authorities (and whatever the media can document) in terms of what evidence we have ... and it's an ongoing investigation.

Wouldn't be entirely surprising if the authorities didn't release everything they are aware of.

Remember: some of the video footage shown today had never been publicly released before today.

But it was repeated over and over again in the media as fact.

Then what should be explored is what basis did the media have for reporting it initially.

There are reports that the officer may have died from a stroke or had a reaction to the pepper spray.

Again with the "reports" ...

 

[RLENT]

It makes you wonder why they're rushing through the impeachment trial with erroneously information in their charging document.

As covered previously, the information is not necessarily erroneous.

 

[RLENT]

Here is the report I was referring to:

archive.ph

Interesting how some folks suddenly become fans of the MSM - and CNN in particular - depending on the exact nature of the "evidence" they are offering.