The Trump Card...

ATeam

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Do you talk politics with your gym clientele or overhear their discussions with one another? I would think a gym in your location would be teeming with white, blue collar, evangelical Christians lacking any post secondary education. Are all your Trump supporting clients abandoning Trump? Do you believe they will support Bernie Sanders in 2020 just so he can give them a free upgrade to a Life Time Fitness or LA Fitness membership? Keep your ear to the lockeroom door and keep us updated.

No, Moot. Diane and I do not talk politics with our gym members or overhear such conversations. We avoid political conversations in the gym. That's because politics divides people. In the gym, we work to build a supportive community in which members encourage each other's success.

When the occasional member initiates a political conversation with us (happens maybe once in 3 months), we politely explain we do not talk politics in the gym. We explain we are here to support people of all stripes in their fitness success, including the person who is initiating a political conversation. We point out that in that very moment, when this person is thinking about Washington or a political figure or issue, he or she is thinking about one's health and fitness. The gym is a health and fitness place, we say. Talking politics in the gym does not support your health and fitness success. When you're in a fitness center, it's most productive to focus on fitness.

They get it. Most of them got it before they even joined. They're at the gym for their health, not their politics. Several elected officials have joined our gym, as have many people who are politically active and/or are passionate in their political views. Because our county is "teeming with white, blue collar, evangelical Christians lacking any post secondary education," our gym is too. Additionally, our county and gym are teeming with people representing the highly educated, and virtually all races, sexual orientations, religions, income levels and other such ways demographers categorize people. These people nicely share their common health and fitness space and get along quite well.

There are no political conversations to overhear in our gym because our members keep their politics to themselves when they are here.

Regarding your question, "Are all your Trump supporting clients abandoning Trump?" I have no idea because I do not talk politics with them and they do not talk politics in the gym.

Finally, there is no Life Time Fitness in our area and it is debatable that a free membership to the LA Fitness up the road would be an upgrade. They opened three months after we did and have since lowered their prices. When we opened five years ago we counted 12 competitors in our market. Today it's over 20. In that five years, every gym in the area, except us, has lowered their prices. We raised ours. We charge more than LA and every other gym in our market.

LA has six times the floor space we have. They have basketball courts, pools, juice bars and other amenities we do not. More people use LA in an hour than use our gym in a day. Yet we are able to charge more because we provide a certain gym culture and experience other gyms don't; one that certain members are willing to pay a premium to obtain.

There is movement in Washington toward providing free gym memberships for all. This has been going on for years and, regardless of who is in the White House, it has been making step-by-step progress. The idea is the healthier America is, the lower our health care costs will be. There is significant movement in the direction already in the private sector. Numerous insurance companies now provide free gym memberships to their policy holders for the same reason. The healthier their policy holders are, the less the insurance company pay out in claims. Industry wide, a good number of gym members are already members under these plans and the number of these plans is increasing.

It's not going to happen today or tomorrow, but the day may well come when everyone in America gets a free gym membership because it reduces health care costs. Personally, I'm not so sure about that idea. With the government so involved, what comes next, mandated gym use? Sugar tax? Body composition scanners at restaurant entrances that admit only those whose body fat percentages are below a certain level? Such health behavior regulation may not sound far-fetched to CDL holders who have sleep apnea.

With employer-paid insurance plans, we're seeing shades of that now. If an employee's health numbers are not at a certain level, their benefits are more costly and some are counseled about their fitness behavior.

Freedom and getting something free are not the same thing.
 
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coalminer

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It would seem that you are implying that I am included in the "their" category. If so, you would be incorrect.


I certainly hope not, I have seen your posts for a few years and as intelligent as you are, I know you support Trump, but I doubt you are one of his blind followers.

I had a conversation with one of our drivers who is a Trump fanboy, he was saying if the democrats impeach him, there will be a civil war, I was like really???? Like i said, we are all doomed.....
 

coalminer

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No, Moot. Diane and I do not talk politics with our gym members or overhear such conversations. We avoid political conversations in the gym. That's because politics divides people. In the gym, we work to build a supportive community in which members encourage each other's success.

When the occasional member initiates a political conversation with us (happens maybe once in 3 months), we politely explain we do not talk politics in the gym. We explain we are here to support people of all stripes in their fitness success, including the person who is initiating a political conversation. We point out that in that very moment, when this person is thinking about Washington or a political figure or issue, he or she is thinking about one's health and fitness. The gym is a health and fitness place, we say. Talking politics in the gym does not support your health and fitness success. When you're in a fitness center, it's most productive to focus on fitness.

They get it. Most of them got it before they even joined. They're at the gym for their health, not their politics. Several elected officials have joined our gym, as have many people who are politically active and/or are passionate in their political views. Because our county is "teeming with white, blue collar, evangelical Christians lacking any post secondary education," our gym is too. Additionally, our county and gym are teeming with people representing the highly educated, and virtually all races, sexual orientations, religions, income levels and other such ways demographers categorize people. These people nicely share their common health and fitness space and get along quite well.

There are no political conversations to overhear in our gym because our members keep their politics to themselves when they are here.

Regarding your question, "Are all your Trump supporting clients abandoning Trump?" I have no idea because I do not talk politics with them and they do not talk politics in the gym.

Finally, there is no Life Time Fitness in our area and it is debatable that a free membership to the LA Fitness up the road would be an upgrade. They opened three months after we did and have since lowered their prices. When we opened five years ago we counted 12 competitors in our market. Today it's over 20. In that five years, every gym in the area, except us, has lowered their prices. We raised ours. We charge more than LA and every other gym in our market. We're able to do this because we provide a certain gym culture and experience the others don't; one that certain members are willing to pay a premium to obtain.


Wise decision, the Trump fanboys would cancel their memberships because you insulted their god, to hell with their health, all hail king Trump!!!!
 

Turtle

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I had a conversation with one of our drivers who is a Trump fanboy, he was saying if the democrats impeach him, there will be a civil war, I was like really????
House Democrats impeaching him alone won't cause any kind of civil war. But if he's removed from office, it needs to be because the American people, by margins of 60 to 70 percent, belive Trump did something so egregious as to warrant removal. But if it looks like Trump was drummed out of office in a coup attempt (which is what it currently looks like) or because that's the only way they can prevent him from winning in 2020, then yeah, things will get pretty ugly. The only way an impeachment and removal of a President from office can be successful is if the American people are behind it.
 
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ATeam

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Wise decision, the Trump fanboys would cancel their memberships because you insulted their god, to hell with their health, all hail king Trump!!!!

I'm not as willing to go as far as you in characterizing Trump supporters. Fanboys? Trump derangement syndrome? King Trump? Their god? I don't think so.

There has never been a president who did not have his most-ardent followers who fit this description, but the number of such ardent "fanboys" are a small percentage of the population. It's not fair to paint all Trump supporters with a broad brush and categorize them as if they belonged to the ardent few. And it's helpful to note that every Democratic candidate now in the race has his or her ardent few too.

Some of the ardent few will forever maintain a blind, irrational and fervent loyalty to their political hero of choice. But most support candidates, not heros. They adjust their opinions and move on with their lives as things change. Nixon was once popular and later faded. Bush Senior's job approval rating once exceeded 90% (after 1st Iraq war), yet he was not re-elected. As with these presidents' supporters and all others, so too with Trump's.
 

coalminer

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House Democrats impeaching him alone won't cause any kind of civil war. But if he's removed from office, it needs to be because the American people, by margins of 60 to 70 percent, belive Trump did something so egregious as to warrant removal. But if it looks like Trump was drummed out of office in a coup attempt (which is what it currently looks like) or because that's the only way they can prevent him from winning in 2020, then yeah, things will get pretty ugly. The only way an impeachment and removal of a President from office can be successful is if the American people are behind it.


The latest polls are getting there, but personally I am going to do something that at age 48( next week)that I have never done,is to register to vote so that I can do my part to make sure he is not re-elected.
 
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coalminer

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I'm not as willing to go as far as you in characterizing Trump supporters. Fanboys? Trump derangement syndrome? King Trump? Their god? I don't think so.

There has never been a president who did not have his most-ardent followers who fit this description, but the number of such ardent "fanboys" are a small percentage of the population. It's not fair to paint all Trump supporters with a broad brush and categorize them as if they belonged to the ardent few. And it's helpful to note that every Democratic candidate now in the race has his or her ardent few too.

Some of the ardent few will forever maintain a blind, irrational and fervent loyalty to their political hero of choice. But most support candidates, not heros. They adjust their opinions and move on with their lives as things change. Nixon was once popular and later faded. Bush Senior's job approval rating once exceeded 90% (after 1st Iraq war), yet he was not re-elected. As with these presidents' supporters and all others, so too with Trump's.


Thankfully the fanboys are a minority, or at least I hope they are.
 
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ATeam

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The only way an impeachment and removal of a President from office can be successful is if the American people are behind it.

And with the present makeup of the Senate, that's the only way it will happen. The Republican majority in the Senate will not change their public stance in favor of Trump unless the people back home change their stance too.

That would likely be different if the vote to convict was done by secret ballot. But unless the procedural rules change, the vote will be public.
 

ATeam

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... personally I am going to do something that at age 48( next week)that I have never done,is to register to vote so that I can do my part to make sure he is not re-elected.

If Trump is not impeached and convicted beforehand, he will stand for re-election in 2020. Part of the reason Republican senators back Trump (if not the main reason) is their fear of the Trump base in their Republican primary elections. If they do not support Trump, a more-ardent, pro-Trump candidate will rise and compete for the votes of the most ardent Trump supporters who tend to be most active and influential in primary elections.

The general election is different. Everyone is eligible to vote there. Trump is not expanding his base. He is working hard to maintain what he has and there is evidence he's failing at that (2016 election, polls showing declining support in the suburbs, among women, opinion shift in rust-belt states, etc.). Your decision to register to vote is an example of the anti-Trump base growing which is bad news for Trump. However, that does not mean Trump will lose. If the Democrats nominate a weak candidate of if no credible independent candidate rises, Trump could win.

In addition to voting yourself, you might want to bring a newly registered friend or two to the voting place as well.
 
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muttly

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Phony emoulents clause? OMG! It's in the constitution!

How the Trumpamaniacs can continue to support this guy is beyond me.
Because he's fulfilling campaign promises and the economy is doing great without the Democrats' help.
 
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muttly

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No, Moot. Diane and I do not talk politics with our gym members or overhear such conversations. We avoid political conversations in the gym. That's because politics divides people. In the gym, we work to build a supportive community in which members encourage each other's success.

When the occasional member initiates a political conversation with us (happens maybe once in 3 months), we politely explain we do not talk politics in the gym. We explain we are here to support people of all stripes in their fitness success, including the person who is initiating a political conversation. We point out that in that very moment, when this person is thinking about Washington or a political figure or issue, he or she is thinking about one's health and fitness. The gym is a health and fitness place, we say. Talking politics in the gym does not support your health and fitness success. When you're in a fitness center, it's most productive to focus on fitness.

They get it. Most of them got it before they even joined. They're at the gym for their health, not their politics. Several elected officials have joined our gym, as have many people who are politically active and/or are passionate in their political views. Because our county is "teeming with white, blue collar, evangelical Christians lacking any post secondary education," our gym is too. Additionally, our county and gym are teeming with people representing the highly educated, and virtually all races, sexual orientations, religions, income levels and other such ways demographers categorize people. These people nicely share their common health and fitness space and get along quite well.

There are no political conversations to overhear in our gym because our members keep their politics to themselves when they are here.

Regarding your question, "Are all your Trump supporting clients abandoning Trump?" I have no idea because I do not talk politics with them and they do not talk politics in the gym.

Finally, there is no Life Time Fitness in our area and it is debatable that a free membership to the LA Fitness up the road would be an upgrade. They opened three months after we did and have since lowered their prices. When we opened five years ago we counted 12 competitors in our market. Today it's over 20. In that five years, every gym in the area, except us, has lowered their prices. We raised ours. We charge more than LA and every other gym in our market.

LA has six times the floor space we have. They have basketball courts, pools, juice bars and other amenities we do not. More people use LA in an hour than use our gym in a day. Yet we are able to charge more because we provide a certain gym culture and experience other gyms don't; one that certain members are willing to pay a premium to obtain.

There is movement in Washington toward providing free gym memberships for all. This has been going on for years and, regardless of who is in the White House, it has been making step-by-step progress. The idea is the healthier America is, the lower our health care costs will be. There is significant movement in the direction already in the private sector. Numerous insurance companies now provide free gym memberships to their policy holders for the same reason. The healthier their policy holders are, the less the insurance company pay out in claims. Industry wide, a good number of gym members are already members under these plans and the number of these plans is increasing.

It's not going to happen today or tomorrow, but the day may well come when everyone in America gets a free gym membership because it reduces health care costs. Personally, I'm not so sure about that idea. With the government so involved, what comes next, mandated gym use? Sugar tax? Body composition scanners at restaurant entrances that admit only those whose body fat percentages are below a certain level? Such health behavior regulation may not sound far-fetched to CDL holders who have sleep apnea.

With employer-paid insurance plans, we're seeing shades of that now. If an employee's health numbers are not at a certain level, their benefits are more costly and some are counseled about their fitness behavior.

Freedom and getting something free are not the same thing.
Are there any tv screens in your gym and do any of them have Fox News? Or just CNN and MSNBC? Just curious.
 

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I think his point was that IT'S A PHONY ISSUE.
Exactly. He wasn't talking about the clause itself being phony, he was talking about the allegations of violating it being phony.

It's funny, though, when I heard him say that, I thought, "OK, despite the lawsuits that have been filled over the emoluments clause, and despite Democrats and the media taking about emoluments for 3 years and despite Trump himself talking about taking steps to ensure it wouldn't be an issue, somebody somewhere is actually going to believe that Trump doesn't know that emoluments is in the Constitution.
 
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ATeam

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Are there any tv screens in your gym and do any of them have Fox News? Or just CNN and MSNBC? Just curious.

Your question makes me smile. We have 20 TVs in the gym; 13 small TVs on the cardio machines and 7 big-screen TVs on various walls. The members have full control of the channel selection. Ear buds are used to hear the small TVs. The large TVs have the sound turned off. A single remote is used to change the big-screen channels. It is kept on a shelf near the front office. The members use it to switch to their channel of choice and return the remote to the shelf for the next person to use.

When I'm walking in the gym, and if no one in particular is watching anything in particular, I'll change the channels to the sports channels. As I said above, we like to keep politics out of the gym. But many members like to watch the news channels while they work out. They change the channel on the TV close to them to their show of choice. Much of the time, you'll see Fox, CNN, MSNBC and the local cable news channel on various screens. Fox is the most popular of the four news channels. News in general is about 50/50 with other programs of all kinds.

It has happened one time in five years where TV channel selection became an issue between members. A fervent Trump supporter turned all big-screen TVs to Fox. I don't remember what it was but something was in the news that had this guy especially animated. The instant he left, another member angrily grabbed the remote and changed all TVs to non-news programs. That's the only time I've ever seen all big-screen TVs on the same channel.

There are more than enough TVs to go around. With many people using their phones and ear buds for entertainment, and with members of all political stripes happy to play nice with others in the shared space the gym is, programming conflicts among members are rare (like once in five years rare).

This is a fitness center, not a political hub. Our members know that and do a really good job of checking their politics at the door. Instead of debating political opinions, people of various political stripes will encourage and coach each other in their fitness journeys. For example, I've seen a white male body-builder who drives to the gym in a riser-kit pickup with Trump stickers on it interact with a morbidly-obese black woman who relies on the public-transportation handicapped bus to get to the gym. As the woman worked hard on the recumbent bike, the man approached to tell her her how inspiring it is to see her in the gym working as hard as she is.

When things like that happen, I reinforce the behavior by telling the man how cool it was what he just did for that woman, and telling the woman that it is really true that you inspire him with your commitment to fitness. In a political setting, these two might on opposite sides arguing loudly their points. In our gym, they are friends who have their fitness work in common and inspire each other.
 
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muttly

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Your question makes me smile. We have 20 TVs in the gym; 13 small TVs on the cardio machines and 7 big-screen TVs on various walls. The members have full control of the channel selection. Ear buds are used to hear the small TVs. The large TVs have the sound turned off. A single remote is used to change the big-screen channels. It is kept on a shelf near the front office. The members use it to switch to their channel of choice and return the remote to the shelf for the next person to use.

When I'm walking in the gym, and if no one in particular is watching anything in particular, I'll change the channels to the sports channels. As I said above, we like to keep politics out of the gym. But many members like to watch the news channels while they work out. They change the channel on the TV close to them to their show of choice. Much of the time, you'll see Fox, CNN, MSNBC and the local cable news channel on various screens. Fox is the most popular of the four news channels. News in general is about 50/50 with other programs of all kinds.

It has happened one time in five years where TV channel selection became an issue between members. A fervent Trump supporter turned all TVs to Fox. I don't remember what it was but something was in the news that had this guy especially animated. The instant he left, another member angrily grabbed the remote and changed all TVs to non-news programs. That's the only time I've ever seen all big-screen TVs on the same channel.

There are more than enough TVs to go around. With many people using their phones and ear buds for entertainment, and with members of all political stripes happy to play nice with others in the shared space the gym is, programming conflicts among members are rare (like once in five years rare).

This is a fitness center, not a political hub. Our members know that and do a really good job of checking their politics at the door.
It's probably a good idea to keep politics out of the gym. I've belonged to the same facility for over 30 years. Changed ownership once or twice but never discussed politics or heard someone talk politics. My current gym though did have a rule about channel selection. The front desk employees or members couldn't change the channel, only management. I once requested that they have one of the channels with Fox News on it and they were accommodating. I don't know the political views of the owner of my gym, nor do I care or want to know. I will say this however, if I were to hear the owner talking about hoping for impeachment, I would probably take my business elsewhere.
 

ATeam

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I will say this however, if I were to hear the owner talking about hoping for impeachment, I would probably take my business elsewhere.
If that was the case, that politically opinionated gym owner would likely be pleased to see you go. We don't operate that way in our gym. You'd be welcome to join our gym like anyone else and if you felt the need to boycott our gym because of my stated political beliefs, I'd support you in doing that. We don't want people in our gym who are unhappy with the gym, its owners, staff or members. I'd advise you to find a gym where you could be happy. That move would improve the happiness of the gym you join and our gym too.

There are 52,000 people in our town. We there are plenty of people to serve and we don't have room for them all. Join the gym that makes you happy.
 

muttly

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If that was the case, that politically opinionated gym owner would likely be pleased to see you go. We don't operate that way in our gym. You'd be welcome to join our gym like anyone else and if you felt the need to boycott our gym because of my stated political beliefs, I'd support you in doing that. We don't want people in our gym who are unhappy with the gym, its owners, staff or members. I'd advise you to find a gym where you could be happy. That move would improve the happiness of the gym you join and our gym too.

There are 52,000 people in our town. We there are plenty of people to serve and we don't have room for them all. Join the gym that makes you happy.
Great. Then it's a win, win. There's plenty of places that someone can get a workout at. There's home gyms or one can walk around their block at their home. You don't have to shell out money to someone who, out of pettiness, wants to remove a President and send the economy and this country into chaos, and therefore taking money out someone's pocket.
 

ATeam

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... remove a President and send the economy and this country into chaos, ...

If you study the history of economic expansions and recessions, you will learn these occur in cycles. Expansions are followed by recessions, which are followed by expansions, and so on. The forces that drive the economy are more powerful than than any president has ever been. At present, we are on the tail end of an expansion. While it's difficult to know when the next recession will begin, we know it will happen. If it happens when Trump is in office, that recession will be no more Trump's doing than the expansion that began 2009 (the present expansion) was Obama's doing.
 
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